AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it

WHODATINCA · 10-01-2013, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Our line looks nothing like the '09 line. Not the same personnel or execution.

And, it shows. In 2009, we had 4.5 rushing Y/A. This year's team is at 3.4. Whether it is the O-Line or the personnel, that number needs to improve. Otherwise, we are predictable and that means our quarterback wears a target.

TheOak · 10-01-2013, 02:24 PM

It seems that our present formula is throw until their defense is broken both mentally and physically, then grind out the 4th qtr on the ground.

So far... 100% success in 2 games.

TheOak · 10-01-2013, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by ScottF

Lot to consider-
-new receivers might be taking a split second longer to get open- Toon, --Stills, and new Meachem are not Moore, Henderson and old Meachem
-to me it seems Brees is holding the ball more than in years past
-zero run game equals more blitzes and pressure
-who knows if Evans is 100%?

I "think" our screen threat which is a huge threat keeps defenses honest.

3-20 to Sproles ring a bell?
PTs 25 yard screen that was called back? (because graham was holding 23 yards down field)

ikecomp · 10-01-2013, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

It seems that our present formula is throw until their defense is broken both mentally and physically, then grind out the 4th qtr on the ground.

So far... 100% success in 2 games.

While I think it's good enough for the regular season, I'm not sure that's a good formula for success in the playoffs. If we run into a bad weather game or for whatever reason a case of the drops or just really good defense, we need to be able to have some sort of running game.

I'd be happy to take advantage of more draw running plays or misdirection run plays to get 3-4 yards here and there. Our oline appears to block better when on the move as opposed to trying to push to create lanes. The only way I can see us win like this in the playoffs is if our defense steps up to a higher level than where they are at now where they can put points on the board like chicago or seattle's defense.

TheOak · 10-01-2013, 02:46 PM

You mean bad weather like Tampa? Or if Graham or Colston gets the drops? We can what if it all day long. We have seen all of that. 4-0

ikecomp · 10-01-2013, 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

You mean bad weather like Tampa? Or if Graham or Colston gets the drops? We can what if it all day long. We have seen all of that. 4-0

You're right. Tampa is an excellent example. Drew and our offense looked horrible during that game. We beat a bad team in a hard fought division game. The question is, do you think you can have long-term success playing that way against an actual playoff time. IMHO, I don't think so.

rezburna · 10-01-2013, 04:26 PM

I believe we should go back to a true power run game. Not the zone blocking scheme. We don't have zone blocking lineman. We need to run between Evans and Strief. Everyone knows I'm not a Strief fan, but dude can run block. He's a mauler. Power run. North and south. Forget that cut back ****.

rezburna · 10-01-2013, 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by ikecomp

You're right. Tampa is an excellent example. Drew and our offense looked horrible during that game. We beat a bad team in a hard fought division game. The question is, do you think you can have long-term success playing that way against an actual playoff time. IMHO, I don't think so.

Weather stays the same in the dome. We're going for the #1 seed.

The Dude · 10-01-2013, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

In the first half he ran for +4, -3, +1 so my math says 3 carries for 2 yards.
He didn't run again until towards the end of the 3rd quarter.
His big runs came in the 4th quarter. His runs went like this.
+4,-3,+1,+6,-1,+11,+10,+6,+2,+1,-5,+5.
Look, I don't love Ingram more than any other RB that we have but I think most everyone is being unfair to him. The last 2 weeks have shown that no one on this team can run effectively behind our OL in the first half. We have to force them to back off the line defending the pass to open up the run game right now and we need to fix that.

I just like the potential I see in KR. The way he runs, the authority. He has an upside. I think we have already seen MI ceiling. We know what we have in MI, he has had 3 years to get it done. KR deserves a chance now.

The Dude · 10-01-2013, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I believe we should go back to a true power run game. Not the zone blocking scheme. We don't have zone blocking lineman. We need to run between Evans and Strief. Everyone knows I'm not a Strief fan, but dude can run block. He's a mauler. Power run. North and south. Forget that cut back ****.

Im pretty sure if they thought that would work they would try it more.

10-01-2013, 02:20 PM	#41
WHODATINCA Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: South Bay Posts: 3,784	Re: AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Our line looks nothing like the '09 line. Not the same personnel or execution. And, it shows. In 2009, we had 4.5 rushing Y/A. This year's team is at 3.4. Whether it is the O-Line or the personnel, that number needs to improve. Otherwise, we are predictable and that means our quarterback wears a target.

10-01-2013, 02:24 PM	#42
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it It seems that our present formula is throw until their defense is broken both mentally and physically, then grind out the 4th qtr on the ground. So far... 100% success in 2 games.

10-01-2013, 02:25 PM	#43
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it Originally Posted by ScottF Lot to consider- -new receivers might be taking a split second longer to get open- Toon, --Stills, and new Meachem are not Moore, Henderson and old Meachem -to me it seems Brees is holding the ball more than in years past -zero run game equals more blitzes and pressure -who knows if Evans is 100%? I "think" our screen threat which is a huge threat keeps defenses honest. 3-20 to Sproles ring a bell? PTs 25 yard screen that was called back? (because graham was holding 23 yards down field) neugey likes this.
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ikecomp 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 329	Re: AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it Originally Posted by TheOak It seems that our present formula is throw until their defense is broken both mentally and physically, then grind out the 4th qtr on the ground. So far... 100% success in 2 games. While I think it's good enough for the regular season, I'm not sure that's a good formula for success in the playoffs. If we run into a bad weather game or for whatever reason a case of the drops or just really good defense, we need to be able to have some sort of running game. I'd be happy to take advantage of more draw running plays or misdirection run plays to get 3-4 yards here and there. Our oline appears to block better when on the move as opposed to trying to push to create lanes. The only way I can see us win like this in the playoffs is if our defense steps up to a higher level than where they are at now where they can put points on the board like chicago or seattle's defense. WHODATINCA likes this.
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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it You mean bad weather like Tampa? Or if Graham or Colston gets the drops? We can what if it all day long. We have seen all of that. 4-0

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ikecomp 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 329	Re: AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it Originally Posted by TheOak You mean bad weather like Tampa? Or if Graham or Colston gets the drops? We can what if it all day long. We have seen all of that. 4-0 You're right. Tampa is an excellent example. Drew and our offense looked horrible during that game. We beat a bad team in a hard fought division game. The question is, do you think you can have long-term success playing that way against an actual playoff time. IMHO, I don't think so.
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rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,903	Re: AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it I believe we should go back to a true power run game. Not the zone blocking scheme. We don't have zone blocking lineman. We need to run between Evans and Strief. Everyone knows I'm not a Strief fan, but dude can run block. He's a mauler. Power run. North and south. Forget that cut back ****. blackangold likes this.

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rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,903	Re: AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it Originally Posted by ikecomp You're right. Tampa is an excellent example. Drew and our offense looked horrible during that game. We beat a bad team in a hard fought division game. The question is, do you think you can have long-term success playing that way against an actual playoff time. IMHO, I don't think so. Weather stays the same in the dome. We're going for the #1 seed.

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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,048	Re: AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it Originally Posted by Budsdrinker In the first half he ran for +4, -3, +1 so my math says 3 carries for 2 yards. He didn't run again until towards the end of the 3rd quarter. His big runs came in the 4th quarter. His runs went like this. +4,-3,+1,+6,-1,+11,+10,+6,+2,+1,-5,+5. Look, I don't love Ingram more than any other RB that we have but I think most everyone is being unfair to him. The last 2 weeks have shown that no one on this team can run effectively behind our OL in the first half. We have to force them to back off the line defending the pass to open up the run game right now and we need to fix that. I just like the potential I see in KR. The way he runs, the authority. He has an upside. I think we have already seen MI ceiling. We know what we have in MI, he has had 3 years to get it done. KR deserves a chance now.
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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,048	Re: AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it Originally Posted by rezburna I believe we should go back to a true power run game. Not the zone blocking scheme. We don't have zone blocking lineman. We need to run between Evans and Strief. Everyone knows I'm not a Strief fan, but dude can run block. He's a mauler. Power run. North and south. Forget that cut back ****. Im pretty sure if they thought that would work they would try it more.
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