AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it

Budsdrinker · 10-01-2013, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Robinson had one or two nice runs in the beginning of the game. He was no AP. But Ingram probably would have taken a loss. Even though it was towards the end of the game tHey read the run and stuffed him well and he was still able to move the pile. He was making gains when there were no holes, something Ingram has failed to do. The dolphins line is a lot better than anyone elses we have played.

In the first half he ran for +4, -3, +1 so my math says 3 carries for 2 yards.
He didn't run again until towards the end of the 3rd quarter.
His big runs came in the 4th quarter. His runs went like this.
+4,-3,+1,+6,-1,+11,+10,+6,+2,+1,-5,+5.
Look, I don't love Ingram more than any other RB that we have but I think most everyone is being unfair to him. The last 2 weeks have shown that no one on this team can run effectively behind our OL in the first half. We have to force them to back off the line defending the pass to open up the run game right now and we need to fix that.

|Mitch| · 10-01-2013, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

We have to force them to back off the line defending the pass to open up the run game right now and we need to fix that.

4-0 pass to open up the run seems to be working...

The Dude · 10-01-2013, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

In the first half he ran for +4, -3, +1 so my math says 3 carries for 2 yards.
He didn't run again until towards the end of the 3rd quarter.
His big runs came in the 4th quarter. His runs went like this.
+4,-3,+1,+6,-1,+11,+10,+6,+2,+1,-5,+5.
Look, I don't love Ingram more than any other RB that we have but I think most everyone is being unfair to him. The last 2 weeks have shown that no one on this team can run effectively behind our OL in the first half. We have to force them to back off the line defending the pass to open up the run game right now and we need to fix that.

I just like the potential I see in KR. The way he runs, the authority. He has an upside. I think we have already seen MI ceiling. We know what we have in MI, he has had 3 years to get it done. KR deserves a chance now.

neugey · 10-01-2013, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

I just like the potential I see in KR. The way he runs, the authority. He has an upside. I think we have already seen MI ceiling. We know what we have in MI, he has had 3 years to get it done. KR deserves a chance now.

KR looked a lot more shifty and slippery running forward than MI. A lot.

blackangold · 10-01-2013, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

In the first half he ran for +4, -3, +1 so my math says 3 carries for 2 yards.
He didn't run again until towards the end of the 3rd quarter.
His big runs came in the 4th quarter. His runs went like this.
+4,-3,+1,+6,-1,+11,+10,+6,+2,+1,-5,+5.
Look, I don't love Ingram more than any other RB that we have but I think most everyone is being unfair to him. The last 2 weeks have shown that no one on this team can run effectively behind our OL in the first half. We have to force them to back off the line defending the pass to open up the run game right now and we need to fix that.

The odd assessment here is they aren't backing off the run game at that point. When we have run the ball effectively is toward the end of the game when we are winning by multiple scores and every one knows we are going to run. The teams haven't been defending the pass during our best runs of the season, rather they have stacked the box because we are coming out in run heavy formations and trying to drain the clock. Yet when we do this and get nothing (1.7 YPC) with Ingram people proclaim the play calling was too predictable, well what about when Robinson has got the carries? All of Robinson's carries have been predictable and ran out of heavy sets.

10-01-2013, 12:15 PM	#1
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it Originally Posted by The Dude Robinson had one or two nice runs in the beginning of the game. He was no AP. But Ingram probably would have taken a loss. Even though it was towards the end of the game tHey read the run and stuffed him well and he was still able to move the pile. He was making gains when there were no holes, something Ingram has failed to do. The dolphins line is a lot better than anyone elses we have played. In the first half he ran for +4, -3, +1 so my math says 3 carries for 2 yards. He didn't run again until towards the end of the 3rd quarter. His big runs came in the 4th quarter. His runs went like this. +4,-3,+1,+6,-1,+11,+10,+6,+2,+1,-5,+5. Look, I don't love Ingram more than any other RB that we have but I think most everyone is being unfair to him. The last 2 weeks have shown that no one on this team can run effectively behind our OL in the first half. We have to force them to back off the line defending the pass to open up the run game right now and we need to fix that.

10-01-2013, 12:20 PM	#2
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it Originally Posted by Budsdrinker We have to force them to back off the line defending the pass to open up the run game right now and we need to fix that. 4-0 pass to open up the run seems to be working...

10-01-2013, 03:41 PM	#3
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,055	Re: AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it Originally Posted by Budsdrinker In the first half he ran for +4, -3, +1 so my math says 3 carries for 2 yards. He didn't run again until towards the end of the 3rd quarter. His big runs came in the 4th quarter. His runs went like this. +4,-3,+1,+6,-1,+11,+10,+6,+2,+1,-5,+5. Look, I don't love Ingram more than any other RB that we have but I think most everyone is being unfair to him. The last 2 weeks have shown that no one on this team can run effectively behind our OL in the first half. We have to force them to back off the line defending the pass to open up the run game right now and we need to fix that. I just like the potential I see in KR. The way he runs, the authority. He has an upside. I think we have already seen MI ceiling. We know what we have in MI, he has had 3 years to get it done. KR deserves a chance now.
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10-01-2013, 04:24 PM	#4
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,835 Blog Entries: 13	Re: AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it Originally Posted by The Dude I just like the potential I see in KR. The way he runs, the authority. He has an upside. I think we have already seen MI ceiling. We know what we have in MI, he has had 3 years to get it done. KR deserves a chance now. KR looked a lot more shifty and slippery running forward than MI. A lot.

10-01-2013, 05:21 PM	#5
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it Originally Posted by Budsdrinker In the first half he ran for +4, -3, +1 so my math says 3 carries for 2 yards. He didn't run again until towards the end of the 3rd quarter. His big runs came in the 4th quarter. His runs went like this. +4,-3,+1,+6,-1,+11,+10,+6,+2,+1,-5,+5. Look, I don't love Ingram more than any other RB that we have but I think most everyone is being unfair to him. The last 2 weeks have shown that no one on this team can run effectively behind our OL in the first half. We have to force them to back off the line defending the pass to open up the run game right now and we need to fix that. The odd assessment here is they aren't backing off the run game at that point. When we have run the ball effectively is toward the end of the game when we are winning by multiple scores and every one knows we are going to run. The teams haven't been defending the pass during our best runs of the season, rather they have stacked the box because we are coming out in run heavy formations and trying to drain the clock. Yet when we do this and get nothing (1.7 YPC) with Ingram people proclaim the play calling was too predictable, well what about when Robinson has got the carries? All of Robinson's carries have been predictable and ran out of heavy sets.

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