AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it

ikecomp · 10-01-2013, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

It seems that our present formula is throw until their defense is broken both mentally and physically, then grind out the 4th qtr on the ground.

So far... 100% success in 2 games.

While I think it's good enough for the regular season, I'm not sure that's a good formula for success in the playoffs. If we run into a bad weather game or for whatever reason a case of the drops or just really good defense, we need to be able to have some sort of running game.

I'd be happy to take advantage of more draw running plays or misdirection run plays to get 3-4 yards here and there. Our oline appears to block better when on the move as opposed to trying to push to create lanes. The only way I can see us win like this in the playoffs is if our defense steps up to a higher level than where they are at now where they can put points on the board like chicago or seattle's defense.

TheOak · 10-01-2013, 01:46 PM

You mean bad weather like Tampa? Or if Graham or Colston gets the drops? We can what if it all day long. We have seen all of that. 4-0

ikecomp · 10-01-2013, 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

You mean bad weather like Tampa? Or if Graham or Colston gets the drops? We can what if it all day long. We have seen all of that. 4-0

You're right. Tampa is an excellent example. Drew and our offense looked horrible during that game. We beat a bad team in a hard fought division game. The question is, do you think you can have long-term success playing that way against an actual playoff time. IMHO, I don't think so.

rezburna · 10-01-2013, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by ikecomp

You're right. Tampa is an excellent example. Drew and our offense looked horrible during that game. We beat a bad team in a hard fought division game. The question is, do you think you can have long-term success playing that way against an actual playoff time. IMHO, I don't think so.

Weather stays the same in the dome. We're going for the #1 seed.

TheOak · 10-01-2013, 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by ikecomp

You're right. Tampa is an excellent example. Drew and our offense looked horrible during that game. We beat a bad team in a hard fought division game. The question is, do you think you can have long-term success playing that way against an actual playoff time. IMHO, I don't think so.

2012 Super Bowl XLVI Patriots vs Giants
Giants win the Super Bowl ave rushing per game 89.2 (32nd in the League)

The Giants play in Met Life Stadium... Think they get a little bad weather up there?

Patriots play in Gillette Stadium.... Any bad weather up there?

The Patriots had the 20th ranked rushing game.

I'll bet you this isn't in Oakland.

So.... No a running game is not a requirement for getting to and winning a SB with bad weather.

I know so.

ikecomp · 10-02-2013, 09:46 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

2012 Super Bowl XLVI Patriots vs Giants
Giants win the Super Bowl ave rushing per game 89.2 (32nd in the League)

The Giants play in Met Life Stadium... Think they get a little bad weather up there?

Patriots play in Gillette Stadium.... Any bad weather up there?

The Patriots had the 20th ranked rushing game.

I'll bet you this isn't in Oakland.

So.... No a running game is not a requirement for getting to and winning a SB with bad weather.

I know so.

First, The giants didn't need a great running game because the giants defensive line destroyed everyone they played. While I like our dline I don't think they are as as good yet as the giant dline that terrorized the 18-0 patriots in the superbowl

Second, the patriots and giants are both cold weather teams so they are not going to have a big drop off in the snow regardless because they play in it every year. They're used to it. Plus once again, when the patriots beat the raiders they still had an outstanding defense and were not built at that time to throw the ball a lot like we do (this was before their prolific passing game developed). Not saying our defense won't become outstanding but they are not to that level yet.

I'm not saying we need to have a top 5 running game but we need to be able to have a little more balance to the offense or we need a super bowl caliber defense. One or the other.

rezburna · 10-01-2013, 03:26 PM

I believe we should go back to a true power run game. Not the zone blocking scheme. We don't have zone blocking lineman. We need to run between Evans and Strief. Everyone knows I'm not a Strief fan, but dude can run block. He's a mauler. Power run. North and south. Forget that cut back ****.

The Dude · 10-01-2013, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I believe we should go back to a true power run game. Not the zone blocking scheme. We don't have zone blocking lineman. We need to run between Evans and Strief. Everyone knows I'm not a Strief fan, but dude can run block. He's a mauler. Power run. North and south. Forget that cut back ****.

Im pretty sure if they thought that would work they would try it more.

rezburna · 10-01-2013, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Im pretty sure if they thought that would work they would try it more.

Then you know not the stubbornness of a head coach.

SaintsBro · 10-01-2013, 04:22 PM

I found myself thinking last night about the Halloween night game against the Steelers in 2010, which at that time was one of the best defenses in the league (I believe at that moment they actually were #1) and were considered to be on a statistical par with some of the great historical defenses of the modern era. Incredibly stout against the run. That game had the intensity of a playoff game or a Super Bowl. The Steelers did actually wind up in the Super Bowl that year.

The Saints had 30 yards rushing that night, on 21 attempts, 1.8 per carry. And the Saints won the game pretty handily, 20-10.

10-01-2013, 01:34 PM	#1
ikecomp 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 329	Re: AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it Originally Posted by TheOak It seems that our present formula is throw until their defense is broken both mentally and physically, then grind out the 4th qtr on the ground. So far... 100% success in 2 games. While I think it's good enough for the regular season, I'm not sure that's a good formula for success in the playoffs. If we run into a bad weather game or for whatever reason a case of the drops or just really good defense, we need to be able to have some sort of running game. I'd be happy to take advantage of more draw running plays or misdirection run plays to get 3-4 yards here and there. Our oline appears to block better when on the move as opposed to trying to push to create lanes. The only way I can see us win like this in the playoffs is if our defense steps up to a higher level than where they are at now where they can put points on the board like chicago or seattle's defense. WHODATINCA likes this.
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10-01-2013, 01:46 PM	#2
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,043	Re: AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it You mean bad weather like Tampa? Or if Graham or Colston gets the drops? We can what if it all day long. We have seen all of that. 4-0

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ikecomp 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 329	Re: AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it Originally Posted by TheOak You mean bad weather like Tampa? Or if Graham or Colston gets the drops? We can what if it all day long. We have seen all of that. 4-0 You're right. Tampa is an excellent example. Drew and our offense looked horrible during that game. We beat a bad team in a hard fought division game. The question is, do you think you can have long-term success playing that way against an actual playoff time. IMHO, I don't think so.
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10-01-2013, 03:28 PM	#4
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,022	Re: AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it Originally Posted by ikecomp You're right. Tampa is an excellent example. Drew and our offense looked horrible during that game. We beat a bad team in a hard fought division game. The question is, do you think you can have long-term success playing that way against an actual playoff time. IMHO, I don't think so. Weather stays the same in the dome. We're going for the #1 seed.

10-01-2013, 05:27 PM	#5
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,043	Originally Posted by ikecomp You're right. Tampa is an excellent example. Drew and our offense looked horrible during that game. We beat a bad team in a hard fought division game. The question is, do you think you can have long-term success playing that way against an actual playoff time. IMHO, I don't think so. 2012 Super Bowl XLVI Patriots vs Giants Giants win the Super Bowl ave rushing per game 89.2 (32nd in the League) The Giants play in Met Life Stadium... Think they get a little bad weather up there? Patriots play in Gillette Stadium.... Any bad weather up there? The Patriots had the 20th ranked rushing game. I'll bet you this isn't in Oakland. So.... No a running game is not a requirement for getting to and winning a SB with bad weather. I know so.

10-02-2013, 09:46 AM	#6
ikecomp 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 329	Re: AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it Originally Posted by TheOak 2012 Super Bowl XLVI Patriots vs Giants Giants win the Super Bowl ave rushing per game 89.2 (32nd in the League) The Giants play in Met Life Stadium... Think they get a little bad weather up there? Patriots play in Gillette Stadium.... Any bad weather up there? The Patriots had the 20th ranked rushing game. I'll bet you this isn't in Oakland. So.... No a running game is not a requirement for getting to and winning a SB with bad weather. I know so. First, The giants didn't need a great running game because the giants defensive line destroyed everyone they played. While I like our dline I don't think they are as as good yet as the giant dline that terrorized the 18-0 patriots in the superbowl Second, the patriots and giants are both cold weather teams so they are not going to have a big drop off in the snow regardless because they play in it every year. They're used to it. Plus once again, when the patriots beat the raiders they still had an outstanding defense and were not built at that time to throw the ball a lot like we do (this was before their prolific passing game developed). Not saying our defense won't become outstanding but they are not to that level yet. I'm not saying we need to have a top 5 running game but we need to be able to have a little more balance to the offense or we need a super bowl caliber defense. One or the other.
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rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,022	Re: AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it I believe we should go back to a true power run game. Not the zone blocking scheme. We don't have zone blocking lineman. We need to run between Evans and Strief. Everyone knows I'm not a Strief fan, but dude can run block. He's a mauler. Power run. North and south. Forget that cut back ****. blackangold likes this.

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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,055	Re: AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it Originally Posted by rezburna I believe we should go back to a true power run game. Not the zone blocking scheme. We don't have zone blocking lineman. We need to run between Evans and Strief. Everyone knows I'm not a Strief fan, but dude can run block. He's a mauler. Power run. North and south. Forget that cut back ****. Im pretty sure if they thought that would work they would try it more.
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10-01-2013, 04:48 PM	#9
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,022	Re: AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it Originally Posted by The Dude Im pretty sure if they thought that would work they would try it more. Then you know not the stubbornness of a head coach.

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SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it I found myself thinking last night about the Halloween night game against the Steelers in 2010, which at that time was one of the best defenses in the league (I believe at that moment they actually were #1) and were considered to be on a statistical par with some of the great historical defenses of the modern era. Incredibly stout against the run. That game had the intensity of a playoff game or a Super Bowl. The Steelers did actually wind up in the Super Bowl that year. The Saints had 30 yards rushing that night, on 21 attempts, 1.8 per carry. And the Saints won the game pretty handily, 20-10.

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