Loss to pats on Payton and Brees

Vrillon82 · 10-15-2013, 01:13 AM

Originally Posted by UK_WhoDat

Recent low completion percentage games are:
(Year; Game number %age)
2013:2 56.5%, Tampa
2012:13 56.0%; Atlanta
2012:8 52.4%;
2012:3 55.6%;
2012:1 46.2%
Drew Brees: Game Logs at NFL.com
Question. Were any of these also ego driven?

Could be.

NE game he was often looking at 2 places, Jimmy Graham or down field for a big play and neither was there most of the game.

SloMotion · 10-15-2013, 05:36 AM

Originally Posted by skymike

Learn a wise lesson from the fig tree, Grasshopper.

It takes an army to lose a battle. One warrior does not fail.
Do not become as the Texan fan, with their foolish tongues.

For they curse one warrior, who is then replaced by another,
who immediately throws a pick 6.

They rejoice when their own leader is wounded.
Karma has visited their house.

Remain wise & courageous.

BOOOOOOOOZH! (gong)

Daanng! That's really philosophical, SM,

blackangold · 10-15-2013, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by WHODATINCA

Hmmmm...good points. I just remember the losing. Retracted. Apologies.

No problem.

I had no intention of being harsh.

Welcome to the forum!

TheOak · 10-15-2013, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

2011 who called the plays that lead to a historical offense? Carmichael.

2012 who called the plays for the offense that lead the league (offense that was good enough to have a 7-9 record with the worst Defense in the history of the NFL)? Carmichael.

Who said that if his play calling doesn't get better he will turn it over (to Carmichael)? oh yeah, it was Payton.

Are you new, or do you not realize how well our offense has functioned when SP hasn't called the plays?

If I remember correctly, Pete Carmichael didn't start calling plays until Sean broke his knee in 2011 and that was only until Sean returned to the field. Then he was the only man in 2012. As far as for 2012 there was some seriously questionable play calling going on, search these forums..

Who called the plays that led us to a Super Bowl and won it? Sean Payton

You didnt like the play calling at the end of the game? What would you do with no Graham and no Sproles at the end of the game?

Let the man do his job... he has earned the right to be human once in a while.

blackangold · 10-15-2013, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

If I remember correctly, Pete Carmichael didn't start calling plays until Sean broke his knee in 2011 and that was only until Sean returned to the field. Then he was the only man in 2012. As far as for 2012 there was some seriously questionable play calling going on, search these forums..

Who called the plays that led us to a Super Bowl and won it? Sean Payton

You didnt like the play calling at the end of the game? What would you do with no Graham and no Sproles at the end of the game?

Let the man do his job... he has earned the right to be human once in a while.

Carmichael called the plays all through 2011 after the Tampa game. 2012 our offense was #2 in the league. Not discrediting Payton at all, but after the Tampa game Payton said he was rusty and might turn the play calling over.

Payton has had great calls in the past; its unfathomable that he has been so good. Although there seems to be some disconnect this year. We have so much talent at WR but our WRs as a group are statistically among the worst in the league right now. There could be many reasons for this but I don't have the answers.

TheOak · 10-15-2013, 04:57 PM

Again, people are claiming they didn't care for Payton's play calling in the last 3 minutes....

What do you do when Graham and Sproles are out? Those two players open up the majority of our play book by just being on the field.

skymike · 10-15-2013, 05:06 PM

Payton called the plays exactly like I would have. The defense was
pounding Brady, was making stops, and I wanted to run the clock out.
I called for 2 straight runs to run out clock, and naked bootleg would
have been exactly what I would have called. We won with Bobby on
the exact play in San Francisco in 1987.

Normally, I like Payton's wide open style, but this game seemed to call
for conservative call. 9 times out of 10, its right.

I'm sure the percentages, and correct calls were obvious from your armchair.
Just as you would have called the onsides kick in the super bowl.

blackangold · 10-16-2013, 08:18 PM

As far as the loss being on Brees:

After re-watching the game twice there are 4 passes which stand out.

1. Drew's incomplete pass intended for Toon at the 1 yard line. This was uncharacteristically poor from Brees as Toon was wide open and Bress had plenty of time to throw. He puts this ball on point and its a TD rather than a FG.

2. Drew's incomplete pass intended for Sproles. Sproles runs a great wheel route up the sideline and gets wide open (only person that would have stopped the TD was the safety 15yds away). Drew was under pressure and overthrows his target. I believe if Sproles caught the ball he goes in for a TD.

3. Drew throws to Jimmy when 3 defenders are with in 5 yds of him. They played inside, over the top and man coverage on Graham during this play but Drew tried to force it at mid-field. Jimmy turns into the defender on this play and managed to prevent the INT (great job jimmy).

4. Drew's INT. This seems obvious but is worth mentioning. There was almost a delay of game, Drew tries to take a TO (should have gotten it) but the ball is snapped and he looks flustered from the onset of the play. Drew gets almost no pressure on the play and throws a prayer up to Jimmy. The ball was to tall for even Jimmy Graham to handle and we have ourselves an INT. What really stands out was the down and distance 3rd and 12; a low percentage conversion down and distance, made worse by the field position.

Brees was uncharacteristically inaccurate. It's unlikely we see him perform so poorly again this season and I hope he explores other options aside from Jimmy and Sproles. Colston and Moore/Stills need to become more dangerous or risk becoming 1 dimensional.

Brees and Payton know more about football than I could imagine and I am sure they will make adjustments coming out of the bye week.

Season prediction holding strong at 13-3

WhoDat!656 · 10-16-2013, 09:24 PM

Originally Posted by hitta

Throw the ball, get a first down, win. I don't know what the hell we were doing.

Remember the old saying about passing: When you pass the ball, three things can happen and two of them are bad!

Boutte · 10-17-2013, 01:46 AM

This was a terrible pass too.

10-15-2013, 01:13 AM	#91
Vrillon82 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 1,127	Re: Loss to pats on Payton and Brees Originally Posted by UK_WhoDat Recent low completion percentage games are: (Year; Game number %age) 2013:2 56.5%, Tampa 2012:13 56.0%; Atlanta 2012:8 52.4%; 2012:3 55.6%; 2012:1 46.2% Drew Brees: Game Logs at NFL.com Question. Were any of these also ego driven? Could be. NE game he was often looking at 2 places, Jimmy Graham or down field for a big play and neither was there most of the game.
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10-15-2013, 05:36 AM	#92
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Re: Loss to pats on Payton and Brees Originally Posted by skymike Learn a wise lesson from the fig tree, Grasshopper. It takes an army to lose a battle. One warrior does not fail. Do not become as the Texan fan, with their foolish tongues. For they curse one warrior, who is then replaced by another, who immediately throws a pick 6. They rejoice when their own leader is wounded. Karma has visited their house. Remain wise & courageous. BOOOOOOOOZH! (gong) Daanng! That's really philosophical, SM, skymike likes this.

10-15-2013, 02:34 PM	#93
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Loss to pats on Payton and Brees Originally Posted by WHODATINCA Hmmmm...good points. I just remember the losing. Retracted. Apologies. No problem. I had no intention of being harsh. Welcome to the forum!

10-15-2013, 03:33 PM	#94
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: Loss to pats on Payton and Brees Originally Posted by blackangold 2011 who called the plays that lead to a historical offense? Carmichael. 2012 who called the plays for the offense that lead the league (offense that was good enough to have a 7-9 record with the worst Defense in the history of the NFL)? Carmichael. Who said that if his play calling doesn't get better he will turn it over (to Carmichael)? oh yeah, it was Payton. Are you new, or do you not realize how well our offense has functioned when SP hasn't called the plays? If I remember correctly, Pete Carmichael didn't start calling plays until Sean broke his knee in 2011 and that was only until Sean returned to the field. Then he was the only man in 2012. As far as for 2012 there was some seriously questionable play calling going on, search these forums.. Who called the plays that led us to a Super Bowl and won it? Sean Payton You didnt like the play calling at the end of the game? What would you do with no Graham and no Sproles at the end of the game? Let the man do his job... he has earned the right to be human once in a while. Boutte likes this.
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10-15-2013, 04:08 PM	#95
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Loss to pats on Payton and Brees Originally Posted by TheOak If I remember correctly, Pete Carmichael didn't start calling plays until Sean broke his knee in 2011 and that was only until Sean returned to the field. Then he was the only man in 2012. As far as for 2012 there was some seriously questionable play calling going on, search these forums.. Who called the plays that led us to a Super Bowl and won it? Sean Payton You didnt like the play calling at the end of the game? What would you do with no Graham and no Sproles at the end of the game? Let the man do his job... he has earned the right to be human once in a while. Carmichael called the plays all through 2011 after the Tampa game. 2012 our offense was #2 in the league. Not discrediting Payton at all, but after the Tampa game Payton said he was rusty and might turn the play calling over. Payton has had great calls in the past; its unfathomable that he has been so good. Although there seems to be some disconnect this year. We have so much talent at WR but our WRs as a group are statistically among the worst in the league right now. There could be many reasons for this but I don't have the answers.

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10-15-2013, 04:57 PM	#96
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: Loss to pats on Payton and Brees Again, people are claiming they didn't care for Payton's play calling in the last 3 minutes.... What do you do when Graham and Sproles are out? Those two players open up the majority of our play book by just being on the field.

10-15-2013, 05:06 PM	#97
skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Re: Loss to pats on Payton and Brees Payton called the plays exactly like I would have. The defense was pounding Brady, was making stops, and I wanted to run the clock out. I called for 2 straight runs to run out clock, and naked bootleg would have been exactly what I would have called. We won with Bobby on the exact play in San Francisco in 1987. Normally, I like Payton's wide open style, but this game seemed to call for conservative call. 9 times out of 10, its right. I'm sure the percentages, and correct calls were obvious from your armchair. Just as you would have called the onsides kick in the super bowl.

10-16-2013, 08:18 PM	#98
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Loss to pats on Payton and Brees As far as the loss being on Brees: After re-watching the game twice there are 4 passes which stand out. 1. Drew's incomplete pass intended for Toon at the 1 yard line. This was uncharacteristically poor from Brees as Toon was wide open and Bress had plenty of time to throw. He puts this ball on point and its a TD rather than a FG. 2. Drew's incomplete pass intended for Sproles. Sproles runs a great wheel route up the sideline and gets wide open (only person that would have stopped the TD was the safety 15yds away). Drew was under pressure and overthrows his target. I believe if Sproles caught the ball he goes in for a TD. 3. Drew throws to Jimmy when 3 defenders are with in 5 yds of him. They played inside, over the top and man coverage on Graham during this play but Drew tried to force it at mid-field. Jimmy turns into the defender on this play and managed to prevent the INT (great job jimmy). 4. Drew's INT. This seems obvious but is worth mentioning. There was almost a delay of game, Drew tries to take a TO (should have gotten it) but the ball is snapped and he looks flustered from the onset of the play. Drew gets almost no pressure on the play and throws a prayer up to Jimmy. The ball was to tall for even Jimmy Graham to handle and we have ourselves an INT. What really stands out was the down and distance 3rd and 12; a low percentage conversion down and distance, made worse by the field position. Brees was uncharacteristically inaccurate. It's unlikely we see him perform so poorly again this season and I hope he explores other options aside from Jimmy and Sproles. Colston and Moore/Stills need to become more dangerous or risk becoming 1 dimensional. Brees and Payton know more about football than I could imagine and I am sure they will make adjustments coming out of the bye week. Season prediction holding strong at 13-3

10-16-2013, 09:24 PM	#99
WhoDat!656 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 16,062	Re: Loss to pats on Payton and Brees Originally Posted by hitta Throw the ball, get a first down, win. I don't know what the hell we were doing. Remember the old saying about passing: When you pass the ball, three things can happen and two of them are bad!

10-17-2013, 01:46 AM	#100
Boutte Site Donor Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Belle Chasse Posts: 1,701	Re: Loss to pats on Payton and Brees This was a terrible pass too. TheOak and AlaskaSaints like this.

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