I have a riddle for you

jnormand · 11-05-2013, 09:27 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Thanks Adolph, just don't murder any Jews while you do it.

Danno I'm laughing my ass off!

NonieT · 11-05-2013, 09:35 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Some of it is scheme. The rest of it is injury and lack of talent being exposed. Offensive lines get studied by opponents just as any other position. Over the years we've done a lot of patch work strategies to cover up the lack of talent, but those tactics are starting to dry out.

Evans is a real talent, but is not fully healthy. After him, there is not a single starter on that line who is really a legitimate NFL lineman. Armstead fits this scheme with his agility, but (apparently) he isn't ready technique-wise.

That's baloney! There is nothing wrong with the talent on the OLine. Last season they used gap blocking and they did just fine. The Saints had the same guards and center. If you want to say the scheme doesn't fit the personnel then you are right. But to say the OLine has no talent is ridiculous.

Barry from MS · 11-05-2013, 09:40 PM

Agreed...O-line blocking scheme doesn't fit the personnel. It's illegal. And also, let's not forget--let's not forget, dude, that keeping wildlife, um, an amphibious rodent for, um, you know, domestic--within the city--that ain't legal either.

NonieT · 11-05-2013, 09:48 PM

Originally Posted by exile

Well that wasn't nice Danno Incognito

Sarcasm aside, he was absolutely right.

frydaddy · 11-05-2013, 10:04 PM

Some of you guys get your panties knotted over reeeeaaaally silly things. You're grown ass men, or women, act like it. Sick of getting on here and seeing this one arguing with that one over stuff that neither has ANY control over. Disagreeing is one thing, but some of you resort to name calling and attacking the other guy's character entirely too quick. I did that once on here, then promptly apologized both publicly and privately. I'll bet that most of you wouldn't be so quick to act like a jackass if you didn't have the vastness of cyberspace as your shield... Grow up, cut the crap and quit ruining my favorite place to come for Saints info.. and don't tell me "well don't read it then" because it's almost unavoidable. What used to be confined to the political and smack talk forums has spilled out all over this site, and frankly it makes me want to vomit.

Barry from MS · 11-05-2013, 10:21 PM

Preach it, frydaddy. It's easy to let things get out of hand when it ain't face-to-face. Also, sarcasm is even harder to decode on here.

This thread had so much promise. Oak's analysis was freakin' awesome and there was some time, thought and research put into it.

frydaddy · 11-05-2013, 10:38 PM

Agreed on all points barry.

And I should apologize. I realize that some of what I said is not much better than what I'm griping about.. and I also don't mean to sound like a crybaby. It's just that I've been coming here for about 7 or 8 years now and it only seems to have gotten worse

Anyway.. Sorry Oak, wasn't trying to threadjack you. Back on topic now - I know it probably is much easier said than done, but I would rather see them go back to something similar to their previous scheme. Different O line coach, so I wouldn't expect it to be a seamless transition back to the old way. Just.. I dunno, maybe try playing to their strengths for cripes sake!

burningmetal · 11-06-2013, 12:05 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

You just lost every ounce of credibility you had with that statement. That statement is ridiculous.

C'mon man, you can do better than that crap. I've seen it.

In fairness, I forgot about Ben Grubbs... perhaps because he hasn't lived up to expectations. But aside from that, sorry to disappoint you man, but I stand by my statement.

These guys were good college lineman, but simply do not possess NFL starting ability. DLP seemed to do alright last year, but I can only assume there is a reason why he was cut from so many teams before. Like many people, I thought that the Saints had somehow turned the light on with him, but this year his play along with the others has dropped off dramatically.

But because the Saints don't believe in investing in real offensive tackles, we are left with total crap on the edges, and not much better at center.

All one need do is watch the try to run, or watch Brees run for his life to know that what I'm saying should be common knowledge.

burningmetal · 11-06-2013, 12:20 AM

Originally Posted by NonieT

That's baloney! There is nothing wrong with the talent on the OLine. Last season they used gap blocking and they did just fine. The Saints had the same guards and center. If you want to say the scheme doesn't fit the personnel then you are right. But to say the OLine has no talent is ridiculous.

Again, I inadvertently omitted Grubbs. The other three are just not that good. Brown has been a disaster since they drafted him. DLP is just a plugin, and not really a true starter. I would say he's done an admirable job considering his long journey from obscurity, but that doesn't make up for the lack of holes up the middle. And Strief is like Bushrod was. He is half decent, but not nearly good enough considering he plays on the less demanding right side.

You can disagree with me if you want. I don't care either way. I'm sensing a lot of butt hurt lately and it leaves me to wonder why this forum exists.

burningmetal · 11-06-2013, 12:32 AM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

Saying we don't have an NFL starter is ridiculous. Grubbs is a multiple-time Pro Bowler, Strief is considered by most of the scouting/grading servcies as a top right tackle and the same for DLP at center. There is nothing wrong with this starting 5.

The real problem is, we pass the ball way too much. You're not going to be effective at run blocking unless you're actually doing it on a regular basis, and not running the ball means the other guys can line up and rush your face off because they know you're passing. Even if it's not effective, we need to run the ball a lot more than 13 times a game. Payton's playcalling this year reminds me of 2007 and 2008 and everybody was getting fed up with him then.

See my posts directly above for my reply... The only thing I will add specific to your post is that I don't know who in the world is saying Strief and DLP are top players at their positions, but I haven't heard anything close to that. And I would say that any man who calls himself an expert and still says that about those players, is clearly not qualified to give grades. I think DLP is a guy who's good to have on the roster, but as a starter he is not impressing me right now.

11-05-2013, 09:27 PM	#21
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,660	Re: I have a riddle for you Originally Posted by Danno Thanks Adolph, just don't murder any Jews while you do it. Danno I'm laughing my ass off!

11-05-2013, 09:35 PM	#22
NonieT 500th Post Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 921	Re: I have a riddle for you Originally Posted by burningmetal Some of it is scheme. The rest of it is injury and lack of talent being exposed. Offensive lines get studied by opponents just as any other position. Over the years we've done a lot of patch work strategies to cover up the lack of talent, but those tactics are starting to dry out. Evans is a real talent, but is not fully healthy. After him, there is not a single starter on that line who is really a legitimate NFL lineman. Armstead fits this scheme with his agility, but (apparently) he isn't ready technique-wise. That's baloney! There is nothing wrong with the talent on the OLine. Last season they used gap blocking and they did just fine. The Saints had the same guards and center. If you want to say the scheme doesn't fit the personnel then you are right. But to say the OLine has no talent is ridiculous.
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11-05-2013, 09:40 PM	#23
Barry from MS Site Donor 2014 Join Date: May 2007 Location: TEMPO VC Okefenokee Swamp Posts: 1,985 Blog Entries: 2	Re: I have a riddle for you Agreed...O-line blocking scheme doesn't fit the personnel. It's illegal. And also, let's not forget--let's not forget, dude, that keeping wildlife, um, an amphibious rodent for, um, you know, domestic--within the city--that ain't legal either.

11-05-2013, 09:48 PM	#24
NonieT 500th Post Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 921	Re: I have a riddle for you Originally Posted by exile Well that wasn't nice Danno Incognito Sarcasm aside, he was absolutely right.
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11-05-2013, 10:04 PM	#25
frydaddy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Lafayette Posts: 1,950 Blog Entries: 1	Re: I have a riddle for you Some of you guys get your panties knotted over reeeeaaaally silly things. You're grown ass men, or women, act like it. Sick of getting on here and seeing this one arguing with that one over stuff that neither has ANY control over. Disagreeing is one thing, but some of you resort to name calling and attacking the other guy's character entirely too quick. I did that once on here, then promptly apologized both publicly and privately. I'll bet that most of you wouldn't be so quick to act like a jackass if you didn't have the vastness of cyberspace as your shield... Grow up, cut the crap and quit ruining my favorite place to come for Saints info.. and don't tell me "well don't read it then" because it's almost unavoidable. What used to be confined to the political and smack talk forums has spilled out all over this site, and frankly it makes me want to vomit. Rugby Saint II, Srgt. Hulka and K Major like this.
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11-05-2013, 10:21 PM	#26
Barry from MS Site Donor 2014 Join Date: May 2007 Location: TEMPO VC Okefenokee Swamp Posts: 1,985 Blog Entries: 2	Re: I have a riddle for you Preach it, frydaddy. It's easy to let things get out of hand when it ain't face-to-face. Also, sarcasm is even harder to decode on here. This thread had so much promise. Oak's analysis was freakin' awesome and there was some time, thought and research put into it. WHODATINCA likes this.

11-05-2013, 10:38 PM	#27
frydaddy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Lafayette Posts: 1,950 Blog Entries: 1	Re: I have a riddle for you Agreed on all points barry. And I should apologize. I realize that some of what I said is not much better than what I'm griping about.. and I also don't mean to sound like a crybaby. It's just that I've been coming here for about 7 or 8 years now and it only seems to have gotten worse Anyway.. Sorry Oak, wasn't trying to threadjack you. Back on topic now - I know it probably is much easier said than done, but I would rather see them go back to something similar to their previous scheme. Different O line coach, so I wouldn't expect it to be a seamless transition back to the old way. Just.. I dunno, maybe try playing to their strengths for cripes sake!
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11-06-2013, 12:05 AM	#28
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: I have a riddle for you Originally Posted by Danno You just lost every ounce of credibility you had with that statement. That statement is ridiculous. C'mon man, you can do better than that crap. I've seen it. In fairness, I forgot about Ben Grubbs... perhaps because he hasn't lived up to expectations. But aside from that, sorry to disappoint you man, but I stand by my statement. These guys were good college lineman, but simply do not possess NFL starting ability. DLP seemed to do alright last year, but I can only assume there is a reason why he was cut from so many teams before. Like many people, I thought that the Saints had somehow turned the light on with him, but this year his play along with the others has dropped off dramatically. But because the Saints don't believe in investing in real offensive tackles, we are left with total crap on the edges, and not much better at center. All one need do is watch the try to run, or watch Brees run for his life to know that what I'm saying should be common knowledge.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

11-06-2013, 12:20 AM	#29
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: I have a riddle for you Originally Posted by NonieT That's baloney! There is nothing wrong with the talent on the OLine. Last season they used gap blocking and they did just fine. The Saints had the same guards and center. If you want to say the scheme doesn't fit the personnel then you are right. But to say the OLine has no talent is ridiculous. Again, I inadvertently omitted Grubbs. The other three are just not that good. Brown has been a disaster since they drafted him. DLP is just a plugin, and not really a true starter. I would say he's done an admirable job considering his long journey from obscurity, but that doesn't make up for the lack of holes up the middle. And Strief is like Bushrod was. He is half decent, but not nearly good enough considering he plays on the less demanding right side. You can disagree with me if you want. I don't care either way. I'm sensing a lot of butt hurt lately and it leaves me to wonder why this forum exists.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

11-06-2013, 12:32 AM	#30
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: I have a riddle for you Originally Posted by Jack Vegas Saying we don't have an NFL starter is ridiculous. Grubbs is a multiple-time Pro Bowler, Strief is considered by most of the scouting/grading servcies as a top right tackle and the same for DLP at center. There is nothing wrong with this starting 5. The real problem is, we pass the ball way too much. You're not going to be effective at run blocking unless you're actually doing it on a regular basis, and not running the ball means the other guys can line up and rush your face off because they know you're passing. Even if it's not effective, we need to run the ball a lot more than 13 times a game. Payton's playcalling this year reminds me of 2007 and 2008 and everybody was getting fed up with him then. See my posts directly above for my reply... The only thing I will add specific to your post is that I don't know who in the world is saying Strief and DLP are top players at their positions, but I haven't heard anything close to that. And I would say that any man who calls himself an expert and still says that about those players, is clearly not qualified to give grades. I think DLP is a guy who's good to have on the roster, but as a starter he is not impressing me right now.

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