Re: NEW Mark Ingram thread (post Dallas)
 

so if I'm on here at 12:31 and you're on here telling me to get a life, I'll say the same thing... you sir get a life! :bng:

Re: NEW Mark Ingram thread (post Dallas)
 

Break out game for ingram ? ?

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yep, but I dont consider smith to be a great RB because he had the best OL for years in dallas. B.Sanders, W.payton, MA, AP, and etc did not have great OL, but still produced. Even Duece was great because our OL was not that good at the time. Comparing MI to someone like Deuce is pretty insane, and Deuce was a very good RB. Deuce didnt need OL to break out 10-40% of the time during the game, and teams really feared him.
Teams fear PT, but not MI, because hes done nothing. 1 game is not going to change that.

Re: NEW Mark Ingram thread (post Dallas)
 

we'll see, I'm not expecting a great game next week from any of our running backs. I'll be happy if we can keep all of them in the game against the head-hunting 49ers D...

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Ingram is a dump truck, PT is a dependable sedan, Sproles is a race car. They're all different so comparing them to each other is stupid. We're going to need all of them playing well if we're going to win the Superbowl or anything else. End of discussion.

Re: NEW Mark Ingram thread (post Dallas)
 

Let's hope this continues for especially against the 49'ers

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One thing I really loved was that:
1.) We split the carries between both PT & MI by quarters
2.) We also ran screen plays with MI, so that we proved that we wont change the offense based on the players

If Sean Payton continues to run the offense the same regardless of who is in the backfield, its gonna cause alot of sleepless nights for defensive coordinators.

Re: NEW Mark Ingram thread (post Dallas)
 

Right here! Bama-Bust still sucks until further notice.

Re: NEW Mark Ingram thread (post Dallas)
 

It has been so hard to watch him struggle in games after being such a training camp hero. I'm really glad that he has shown some glimmer of the potential that we drafted him for. That said, one game does not a great player make. Dallas wasn't ready for the looks that we brought him in, San Francisco will be, and Seattle will be later on. Tonight he proved to me that he has the talent that I was doubting; next week, and for the rest of the season, he still has to prove that he really belongs here.

Re: NEW Mark Ingram thread (post Dallas)
 

I've always supported this guy but I'll admit I was a little angry that K-Rob wasn't active. All I can say is I was hoping he'd get the ball for every run play. The man was pissed off and running with passion! Good job Mark!!!

Re: NEW Mark Ingram thread (post Dallas)
 

Ive been with MI from the begining. Then got wise. 49ers game wont prove anything to me, even if he runs for 200 yards. That will not happen though SF will stuff him for no yards and waste plays for the saints running him. I want to see MI make 100 yds per a game , consistantly, till the end of the season and then next year.
I want to see MI make the 3rd and 4th downs consistantly 80% of the time.
Pretty simple for a great RB.

Re: NEW Mark Ingram thread (post Dallas)
 

Great game, now lets see if this was a propitious opportunity or a coming out party. I'll eat crow on what I said about him when I see some consistency. Congratulation on your 1st 100 yard game. Go saints

Re: NEW Mark Ingram thread (post Dallas)
 

Seriously, stop it. We are all on here -- so guess what that means -- yup, equally twisted. And, probably in need of a life. So, just stop it.

And, I am thrilled with MI's play today and the play of the OL and the play of the entire offense in general.

But, Dallas' defense sucks. So, let's just call this what it was -- a very enjoyable win. They definitely won't be many that look like this.

We can celebrate for a millisecond because SF will be here shortly. Thank God we will play them at our house. SF will be an entirely different game. I'm still pissed off about how they handed us our azz in the playoffs.

Re: NEW Mark Ingram thread (post Dallas)
 

Props to Ingram for showing up today. Though he was far from being the only one, it was nice to see him do something. I had some rather unpleasant feelings brewing after the drop, and especially after he spiked the ball and got the penalty after running through a gaping hole, as if he had done something great. But he picked it up, and that was a good sign.

I'm not about to take back anything I've previously said, as it has been more than fair. I don't hate him, and as he is a member of the Saints, I always pull for him to do well. But he has been disappointing and, at times, downright awful. I would like to see more positives before I even think about saying he's arrived, but tonight he played well and I'm glad for him.

Re: NEW Mark Ingram thread (post Dallas)
 

Next week against the 40-whiners will the acid test for acid Ingram.

Not saying he has to rush for over a 100 yds, but if he can come close to Sunday night's performance against a good defense then I will be a believer as well.

Re: NEW Mark Ingram thread (post Dallas)
 

Very true, he doesn't have to put up huge numbers in games like 49ers, we just need him to be effective

Look at PT vs bears, he had like what 35 yards rushing? but about 5 of those runs went for first downs and it opened up the passing game

Re: NEW Mark Ingram thread (post Dallas)
 

Ingram, on ever run, #1 priority was to protect the ball. Regardless of his production, he didn't fumble, and it was a considerable effort given that two or three cowgirls were hanging on his arms rather than tackling him. He gained more yards than he otherwise should have, but you only can take what the defense gives. For that reason alone he's in my book with a check plus.

Re: NEW Mark Ingram thread (post Dallas)
 

Ingram ran great.
So you are comparing Mark Ingram to Marshawn Lynch? (for the record)

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As important as the rushing yards, I was pleased to see him get some catches.

If he can be a decent receiving threat out of the backfield, it helps prevent the opposing D assuming run every time he is in the game (and being right).

Re: NEW Mark Ingram thread (post Dallas)
 

Lets not all break out the midnight douche canoes.

I am as critical of Ingram as anyone in this forum, and while there is a good bit of rationalization going on its no more or less than after all of his bad games.

In the end, we ALL want someone on the field that will succeed and I find it highly unlikely that any Saints fan the world round wants Ingram to play badly, as "wanting" any Saints player to play badly means you are wearing a Falcons jersey.

To all the people that drooled over that last statement. I have never once hoped he would have a bad game... He just had them and I pointed them out. :bng:

Re: NEW Mark Ingram thread (post Dallas)
 

Don't call it Ingram haters... his performance warranted it.

One game against a D like Dallas doesn't make him a pro-bowler just yet unless we get to play Dallas every week.

But I do home that this game helped him with his vision and got him to see and understand what he has to do for us.

Also keep in mind Dallas had no LB's.

Re: NEW Mark Ingram thread (post Dallas)
 

I don't care what kind of defense Dallas has I was so happy for Ingram to finally get something. I cheered for him during those runs harder than I have cheered for anyone this season. I didn't care about the penalty he got after his first big run and I felt like he finally got the weight of the world off of his shoulders when he got that touchdown and slid to his knees!

Re: NEW Mark Ingram thread (post Dallas)
 

No, its haters. I know what haters look like, and he had numerous haters.

No one is calling him a pro-bowler.

His vision wasn't as much of the problem as being surrounded by 3 defenders 1 micro-second after getting the hand-off was.

The O-line was opening holes, and he did what he was supposed to do.

Re: NEW Mark Ingram thread (post Dallas)
 

Its more of an acid test for the O-line than it is for Ingram.

Re: NEW Mark Ingram thread (post Dallas)
 

Great game by Mark. Didn't like the excessive emotion at the beginning of the game but he got it out of his system.

I know the Dallas D was injured and exhausted last night, but we might have found something with that jumbo-I formation and the blocking scheme to create holes for MI and PT. We may not pile up yards like last night often but the important thing is I think we found the running scheme that works best for this offensive line and Collins.

Re: NEW Mark Ingram thread (post Dallas)
 

Great job - Let's do it again mext week.

Re: NEW Mark Ingram thread (post Dallas)
 

I wonder if Sean looked at the forum and decided to shut us up.. bravo Sean. I think if we have this good of a performance again the media and us as fans might go ballistic.

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I loved his performance. I hated that some people in the crowd booed him at the beginning. Like Hagan's signature says, "True fans don't boo."

If this is a sample of what's to come, the Saints are going to be extremely tough to beat.

Re: NEW Mark Ingram thread (post Dallas)
 

Where are the MI haters now? Right here. He had a great game last night, and good on him and he doesn't even need to blow up for 145 every week for me to give him props. He needs to 1) get the critical short yardage plays for first downs & TDs consistently 2) hold on to the freakin ball consistently 3) catch the ball out of the backfield consistently 4) block in pass protection consistently 5) leans forward through his runs consistently

See what I did there? Consistently is your key word. O-line can use a dose of it too. We put up 120 yards or more rushing (and I could care less who gets them) in each game versus SF, CAR X 2, and SEA, I will be one happy dude.

Re: NEW Mark Ingram thread (post Dallas)
 

Correct me if I am wrong, isn't the test of even a good back the ability to run where there isn't much of a hole?

Its quite logical that with a good hole, any back could run.

Re: NEW Mark Ingram thread (post Dallas)
 

I just watched the game. Man he looked great. Now do it again.

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That wasn't my point.

Its logical that even good backs will be tackled for a loss when surrounded by defenders immediately after the hand-off.

Re: NEW Mark Ingram thread (post Dallas)
 

I've been critical of Ingram so its nice to give the guy some props for a change. He did a great job last night. The O-line played well for a change which helped. But it was against the cowgirls who are both suffering thru lots of injuries and are a demoralized bunch. I hope this is the beginning of a trend and he continues to perform at a high level.

Re: NEW Mark Ingram thread (post Dallas)
 

Yes, but some people go off a game by game basis. For me its body of work, and last night was the only stand out game for me for the last 3 years.. Much like Hartley, my issue isn't just last nights miss, its compounded over the last 3 years.

I am over simplifying things but they are both in the same boat as far as I am concerned. Neither have managed to put a foot on the "reliability" train.

I am not going to let cutting someone be much of a thought on one bad game, but i am also not going to think we should throw a 7 year contract off of one good game either.

The honest truth for me is that Ingram is not playing to his pay rate, with an AVE'Sal of $1.8M he ranks 32nd in the league in terms of pay.. He has 9 more games this season to prove he is worth that money.

Re: NEW Mark Ingram thread (post Dallas)
 

Until this point, some unfairly but mostly earned, Ingram hasn't played up to his talent, draft status, and college record. Part of that has been injuries. Part of that is scheme. Part of that is the talent at RB on the Saints. It is what it is. All of us as Saints fans should be happy with last night and hope it continues. When the Saints run the ball with success, they win. More often than not, they win easily. WHO DAT!

Re: NEW Mark Ingram thread (post Dallas)
 

Been saying it for a while now ... He has the most entertaining 2 yard gains I've ever seen . It often takes 5+ guys to fully wrestle him down. This has been evident even in his worst statiscial games. Honestly had he been our primary back he would've rushed for over 200 yards easily ...

Re: NEW Mark Ingram thread (post Dallas)
 

i love it when he just does it and don't think about it. north and south was awesome tonight with MI. congrats man.

Re: NEW Mark Ingram thread (post Dallas)
 

If Spotrac's numbers are right...

He's the 470th highest paid player in the NFL
He's the 246th highest paid player in the NFC
He's the 27th highest paid RB in the NFL
He's the 22nd highest paid Saint

His pay rate is pretty irrelevant in the big picture. Its the 2 draft picks that has everyone's panties wadded up.

Re: NEW Mark Ingram thread (post Dallas)
 

Spotrac is correct. At this point I don't really put too much into draft picks from 3 years ago. The reason I highlighted his pay vs performance is that when one is cash strapped (against the cap) value is huge, and it is not going to get any better in 2014 with the lengthy FA list. Most of them can go but a few are keepers.
New Orleans Saints Free Agents - 2014

I am a paid Spotrac-er and I didnt want weighted years so I went by ave salary.

Re: NEW Mark Ingram thread (post Dallas)
 

Good on MI for having a great game last night.

There was 1 thing that I noticed, that I "think" was different.

Most of Ingram's good/big runs came when he was running behind Collins. I don't recall a lot of Ingram's previous runs being with a FB in front.

Now granted, due to my location I don't really get to watch a lot of Saints games, so I may be completely off base.