Re: NEW Mark Ingram thread (post Dallas)
 

Doubt he gets more than 5 carries this week or breaks 30 yards. He took advantage of a injury plagued defense, good for him. If he produces this week or strings together weeks of this performance then maybe I'll change my stance until then I still see him being in the wrong system here. Don't know if it's been discussed but he needs to stop acting like an "idiot" after every carry, act like you have run for a positive gain before

Re: NEW Mark Ingram thread (post Dallas)
 

Just for the record, Ingram has played in 30 games in his NFL career and has 10 games where he averages over 4.1 yards per carry so that's a little better than 1 good game.

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And for his career he's now at 4.1 YPC. While thats not great, it isn't bad.

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I cant think of a more perfect stage to settle this than 49ers, Falcons, Seahawks, Panthers, Rams, Panthers, Bucs.

Which games is he going to get 80+ yards and over 4.1 YPC in? How many goal line punches will he get? How many short yardage 1st downs can we expect?

Its easy to spin partial stats... Put the faith on the line and predict.

Re: NEW Mark Ingram thread (post Dallas)
 

Prediction...
If he's hit 3 yards behind the line, he won't gain much.
If the O-line opens up decent holes for him, he'll play well.

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:goodidea:
You live on the edge... :)

Re: NEW Mark Ingram thread (post Dallas)
 

Yep, Fearless is my middle name.


Unfortunately Seldom is my first name.

Re: NEW Mark Ingram thread (post Dallas)
 

Last time I called a 100+ yard game we had it, and I was called out and spit roasted. Ive never come across people so angry about success.

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Lol we'll be fine ... If we can run even half as good we'll raise a few more Lombardi trophies before Drew hangs em up ... If we do it right , we should be a dynasty ... All we've ever been missing was a defense and a running game and still won one without either ...

Re: NEW Mark Ingram thread (post Dallas)
 

Those teams allow, on average....

49ers 3.9 y/a
falcons 4.6 y/a
Seattle 4.2 y/a
Panthers 3.8 y/a
Rams 4.2 y/a
Bucs 3.8 y/a

The individual games can skew numbers e.g.. were the Saints ahead and the other teams were expecting the run... were rushes up the middle being used to set up play action or screens to the flat...etc...etc...

But you'd think he and the other running backs could be close to those numbers overall.

Re: NEW Mark Ingram thread (post Dallas)
 

I'm just glad to see some signs of life with Ingram. I'm hopeful he can continue to run well but at the same time, I'm not holding my breathe. I would love to have 3 effective backs going into the stretch run and into the playoffs. This is a vital point in his career as a New Orleans Saint and will play a big part on whether or not he'll be here in the future. I wish him the best.

Re: NEW Mark Ingram thread (post Dallas)
 

ok so he was fired up against a banged up defense.

test comes this week for him sure but the OL first and for most

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It's just one game but if he continues to play like this and the line gives him room to run, he'll be out of here with a big contract on another team. If he plays like a garden variety RB, he'll be replaced. The only way I see him on the team in the future is if he remains average.

Edit: when does the NEW Mark Ingram thread come out?

Re: NEW Mark Ingram thread (post Dallas)
 

im not gunna jump to conclusions on MI i wanna see if he can do this sum more... dallas D was pathetic KR would have done damage too if he would have played

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Maybe, maybe not PT had 3 more carries then ingram and barely had half the yards as Ingram, i think KR can run but he has horrible ball skills until he can learn to take better care of the ball he wont be running when ingram is active, maybe ingram got a lucky game or maybe hes finally healthy who knows till next game

Re: NEW Mark Ingram thread (post Dallas)
 

? KR = 0 fumbles

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He had 2-3 in preseason and he did have 1 in the game he played alot of snaps its just off the record because the refs didn't see it in the game they noticed it in film study, when payton was asked about what he thought about KR the first thing he said was he needs to handle the ball better

Re: NEW Mark Ingram thread (post Dallas)
 

Robinson had 2 fumbles in 1 preseason game and lost 1.

Ingram also lost a Fumble in preseason...

To say he has "horrible ball skills" on a fumble you have to go back and do a film study on to find is a little overboard.

I agree with AllSaints.. KR would have preformed just as well.

PT barely had 1/2 the yardage? LOL

Here is the item that has been omitted from your PT vs Ingram against Dallas observation.

Pierre Thomas
LE 2-11
LT 2-17
LG 2-0
ML 2-0
MR 5-35
RG 2-12
RT 1-6
RE 1-7

Mark Ingram
LE 0
LT 3-15
LG 1-4
ML 3-37
MR 5-79
RG 1-1
RT 1-4
RE 2-5

Ingram has 116 yards between ML/MR and that came after Sean Lee the MLB was out (one of the best MLBs in the league). You want to know what Mark Ingram had before Lee was injured? 1 Incomplete pass.

Re: NEW Mark Ingram thread (post Dallas)
 

Maybe we can get something for him in a trade now. He's all about himself and I hate his immature dances on a 6 yard gain. Move him and I'll be happy.
I'm a Bama fan and wanted him to do well......but I just don't like him and his attitude. I prefer Lance Or Colston..........these men have style.

Re: NEW Mark Ingram thread (post Dallas)
 

What im simply saying is payton doesn't trust his handling ability as he has said in one of the press conferences,i do agree with you that he would of did just as good as ingram, i just think he could also be a liability if he doesn't protect the ball.

Re: NEW Mark Ingram thread (post Dallas)
 

If Payton didn't trust him, he wouldn't have been on the field. There are plenty of other options... We have 5 other backs capable of running the ball more and covering Ingrams 10-15 carries per game.

What Sean Payton Said was: That is not distrust, its identifying something before it becomes a problem.
“Now, the ball came out on a play,” Payton said. “I thought he handled the opportunities outstanding. But the ball security for a young player of understanding how difficult it is in our league is something we will continue to work on.

“But to answer the question, he’s been explosive. He’s been tough. He’s been hard-nosed. And we will continue to look at his snaps and evaluate how he fits in each game plan.”

2013
Robinson 1ish fumbles
Pierre Thomas - 2
Darren Sproles - 2
Drew Brees - 2

2012
Marques Colston - 4
Cadet -1
Graham -1
Collins -1

2011
Thomas - 2
Ingram -1
Sproles -1
graham -1
Colston -1

2010
Brees - 9! LOL
Ivory -4

2009 -
Brees 9!

I get it... You are a fan of Ingram... But dont try to paint a player with a bad brush that obviously has no where near any case of fumbleaitus, nor has lost the trust of Sean Payton.

Re: NEW Mark Ingram thread (post Dallas)
 

Didnt say i was a fan of ingram just said he had a good game, and in my opinion i feel KR doesnt handle the ball like a pro, and your pulling up stats on players fumbling when hes only actually played one full game and that one game he had a 1ish fumble the other game he played like 4 snaps. which doesnt mean hes a bad player its something he can be better at, and the reason i threw the stats in there about PT is because i think KR is more similar to PT than Ingram as a RB. In my personal opinion i think PT is better than ingram, just ingram put up more numbers that game. And your comment about sean lee making the difference is some what true but thats like saying that PT wassnt in the game at all after lee got out, its prolly just because they play PT and ingram in different formations and the formation ingram was in had the better blocking. PT had nice runs even at the beggining of the game when lee was in so that made up a good bit of his yardage if i remember correctly. I understand what your saying i may not be 100% accurate on everything im saying, just my take on things so chill out bro

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Only Actually played in 1 game?

Oh, ok... You are going off of snap count.. were you guessing? I would say Robinson had 3 full games, Miami, New England, Buffalo

K. Robinson
4,12,3,7,7 - Total 33
Khiry Robinson Game By Game Stats and Performance - New Orleans Saints - ESPN
Mark Ingram
9,8,4,14- total 35
Mark Ingram Game By Game Stats and Performance - New Orleans Saints - ESPN


There is nothing to chill out... I am just rebutting inaccuracies.

Re: NEW Mark Ingram thread (post Dallas)
 

Yea your right, he played throught the entire bills game the others i think he played mostly in the forth quarter correct? Thats why i was saying i didnt think he played more then one full game

Re: NEW Mark Ingram thread (post Dallas)
 

Looks like he knew he went a little over the top with his emotions Sunday

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That little ball spin he did was BS, should not have been a flag at all, nor did it cause a delay of game.

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It's the new rule. Silly or not, he should know better.

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He did more than that stupid ball spin, sure looked like he acted like he won the lottery after every 2 yard gain he had that night

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Honestly, I'm not sure if I could contain my excitement in that situation. He's been called a bust by a lot of "fans" and was booed in that very game. I'd be in a hurry to prove myself to the fans and if I was on fire, I might've gotten carried away too.

I don't excuse his behavior but I understand why he was so animated in the game.

Re: NEW Mark Ingram thread (post Dallas)
 

+1.

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hmm your right, if he gets easy holes, 10 yards of free space before hes tackled by the 1st guy, MI will shine in that environment. That isnt a RB, anyone can do that. So , easy prediction, hell I could do that, lol.

Re: NEW Mark Ingram thread (post Dallas)
 

I didn't say easy holes and 10 yards of space before he gets hit by the 1st guy!
How in the hell did you read that?

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Yeah you did
what, he cant see where to run if he doesnt have a clear 3-4 play hole?
RB's make their own holes, hit a brick wall and fail, then step up and find a way to beat the defense with forsight, moves, and timing. None of which MI has shown, unless he has a well defined easy hole to run threw.
PT has shown that he dosnt need the OL alot of times. PT is not elite, but hes a serious RB.

You think B.sanders with his OL with the lions cared that they were the worst in the NFL? Some have it some dont. MI has alot to prove, and at that moment hes no RB, because no one is even marginally afraid of him. Truthfully defenses are probably relieved when MI is in.
Real simple, you run MI and he cost us more 3rd downs, Im not going to be happy. Do it or get off the field.

Re: NEW Mark Ingram thread (post Dallas)
 

Decent holes does not equal easy holes and doesn't mean he'll get 10 yards before 1st contact.

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Are people still talking about this? Good grief

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yeah it does, if you only have speed. I do give credit to MI for that run up the middle, and the fight for 1 yard today. Thats what I want to see.

PT ran better though.

Re: NEW Mark Ingram thread (post Dallas)
 

Ingram had our longest run of the day and only ran the rock 6 times... What the hell happened to our O-Line? Blocking like professionals these past two game :bng:

Re: NEW Mark Ingram thread (post Dallas)
 

It took longer than expected for our O-line to get healthy and for zone blocking to become second nature.

Re: NEW Mark Ingram thread (post Dallas)
 

Back to Ingram.

He has returned to his 3.6 YPC but that isnt my biggest issue.

1. Graham stiff arms CBs and Safetys and they move. Ingrams stiff arm moves him back.

2. Ingram should have had a lot better stats but that cats vision is poor. He misses two gaping holes last night, one so huge they replayed and talked about it.

3. He has no business trying to run around the ends, he doesn't have the speed. He focuses so hard on getting around the end he misses cutbacks.

* WTF is with all that bee swatting after his runs?