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I've seen them all so it's important to note if you only saw last nights game Collins is great. If you saw all the rest your wondering as I do why we are one of the few teams with a FB.

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It seems as though we ran less zone blocking, or perhaps none at all. Ill give props to Mark Ingram as it is due to him, but as others have said 1 good performance in 3 years doesn't take you off the bust list.

Props to the o-line play.

Good game from Ingram, now lets see more of that.

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He looked great but he needs to do it over a extended period before I am willing to say he is not a bust.

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Yup...Collins didn't have nearly as many blocking "WHIFF!"s last night than in previous games. This made a significant difference, even before Lee went out with the hammy. The boy has simply looked lost on who to block previously, but he got it together last night instead of taking up roster space. He must have finally cracked open the play book and paid attention in the meetings.

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I didnt notice the blocking scheme... Someone with a better grasp of Xs and Os would have to rewatch the game with that in mind... If so thats another huge ordeal as we have changed blocking schemes and the ground game would be back for good... More so than chalking it up to the Cowgirls paltry defense.

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One game did not impress this naysayer. I still think he is not right here. That being said I am extrememly happy for him and he deserved this game. I was very pissed our fans started booing him after that first carry, but maybe thats what he needed. Afterwards he balled out. His problems arent for lack of trying. I just don't think he fits with this offense. Everyone was running well yesterday, and the Oline was making holes. Ingram can run just like anyone else through an open hole but hell even I can. Its getting those tough yards and creating plays where there isnt one that separates the real backs.

Game ball goes to him IMO

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I hope he gives Donte Whitner a concussion next week. (just kidding)

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No you're not. Lol.

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He ran great and I'm thrilled with that, but he still looks top-heavy to me. That high center of gravity makes him too easy to bring down.

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I take back all the mean things I said about him...for now. Let's see if he can keep it up next week against the 49ers. I will say, that I was impressed with the OLine for creating blocks for all of our RBs last night. Let's see if they can keep it up as well.

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Not a MI lover by any means, and no matter what I will stand by and say the PT is a better RB. Period, end of statement.

What is being overlooked here is two things.
1. It seemed like the O line was blocking much better
2. They actually threw quite a few swing passes and other passes to Ingram.

Obviously 1 helps ALL of the RB's play better.
Part 2 helps Ingram. They all know he is not a speedster, and is not going to be people to the edge and they don't have to have someone shadowing him. That is why since teams "key" on Sproles more than MI or PT that Sproles will never have great rushing numbers. The D co-ordinators know or thought they know that shutting down Sproles and Graham will shut us down.

Ingram and PT should run better than Sproles. It's just that tonight it seemed like MI actually made a few people miss with some cuts and once the D had to be aware that he could be thrown the ball they didn't stack up on the run. PT has been doing this for years and better understands how he fits into the offense, maybe this was a light bulb moment for a few people, throw some screens or bubble passes, or make MI a outlet receiver and the teams can't tee off against the run.

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Whether good or bad a mark ingram thread gets traffic.. no lie.

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And when I say this, I don't mean he has to have 14 for 145. I would be tickled with 14 for 70 against the 49ers run D.

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SF gives up on average 3.9 per carry. If our RB's can meet or exceed that, I'm OK with their performance.

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BTW: I thought this was interesting.

For the 2013 season...

P.Thomas - 3.8 YPA (Ingram haters told us this sucks)
D.Sproles - 3.7 YPA (Ingram haters told us this sucks)
K.Robinson - 4.4 YPA (We were told this is freaking awesome!!!!!)

M.Ingram - 5.6 YPA


Just thought it was interesting.

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I am happy for Ingram, I thought he would run like that from day 1 this year.

Lets be honest, 1 good game in 3 years really doesn't keep that bust label away from him. Even Jamarcus Russel had a few good games. I hope Ingram Keeps running this way, even half of what he did last night would be great. Our running game rests on the shoulders of our O-line.

props to Ingram but ill still take Ivory over him any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

Before the IRvory people post, just remember in Ingram's 3 season he has only finished 1 without injury.

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Stopped reading this uninformed diatribe right here.

Last two seasons
4.17 YPA (not bad at all)

Last 13 games (from when Kromer returned to O-line coach last year until now)
4.6 YPA (uhhh, pretty damn great, that is top 10 YPA in the NFL)

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No Im sorry..... The number of runs...and good ones is what hammered them unto submission

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Please, 3.9 YPC last year and 3.9 YPC the year before that. Stats are stats lets not cherry pick to make turds smell like roses. Call it what it is Danno.

We always judge players on their most recent performances, that being said Ingram has a solid B for the season. If he keeps this type of running going, great, however that 1 game doesn't change the previous 2 years.

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Seriously calling out Danno for 2.7 tenths of a yard?

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I like calling Danno out. Danno is fun to go back and forth with. He isn't wrong; the period he cites 4.17 is correct. I am not debating the greatness Ingram showed us in his last performance, I just want us to temper our enthusiasm until he starts putting good games together.

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And who are you to tell us how to act or think? If I want to be excited and think that Ingram can keep it up that's my right as a fan. :rolleyes:

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That's that same defense that shut down the eagles ( top 5 offense ) in Philly ... As I've said all along we had no right to call him and Reggie busts without analyzing their blocking upfront. None whatsoever ! Sean Payton is still sick about bush leaving and he's not letting another heisman back go down the drain ... He runs violent and fast and I've never seen him go down on the first hit ... Give him a lane and watch out ! I break down game film often and it was very apparent the blocking he got Sunday was worlds better than any other game. PT and Sproles got the same blocks and didn't look quite as impressive , dare I say he looked Adrian Petersonish ?

If we block for him there is no team that can compete ... None

Re: NEW Mark Ingram thread (post Dallas)
 

Just another Ingram thread!! He did play good last night, lets hope him and our O-line can keep it going. Time tells all!!

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lol

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To bad for ingram we dont play dallas every week

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can we get a no 2 for him yet. just kidding. go mark make a fool out me please. loved u last night dude.

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Ingram still sucks…
Even Lawrence Phillips had a good game once… once.

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Totally bogus numbers though Danno , because they stopped running MI, and his stats before were not good.
Playing a horrible and injured D like the cowboys, where he didnt beat the 1st guy, and even dropped a easy pass, is not indicative of a good RB.
ATL ATT 9 yrds 11 average 1.2
TB ATT 8 yrds 20 average 2.5
NYJ ATT 4 yrds 19 average 4.8
DAL ATT 14 yrds 145 average 10.4 (OL and FB blocking for huge holes, tacked by 1st guy)

Clearly his 5.6 YPA is created by 1 game. I think his best run of the night was when he lost a yard but kept fighting and twisting, almost took 6 guys to bring him down. Thats a RB.

This is what I expect from MI. He has the same build, but I dont see the passion or ability yet. What a real RB looks like, if you have forgotten.

your not a RB unless you beat 1 guy, its that simple , and all RB's know that. Any idiot can run thru a huge hole till hes tacked. .

Re: NEW Mark Ingram thread (post Dallas)
 

Plain and simple

Line Creates Holes > Backs go Ape > Passing game gets a boost > We Score 50+ > dominate top > defense is on the field less > we win the Lombardi

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Only thing I will point out is earlier in the year when KRob ran well against a dolphins D some people brought up that their D was worn down but others didn't want to hear that but when Ingram runs well it's a worn down cowboy defense. One other point is Ingram had a better game against Dallas than AP did the previous week and no I'm not saying Ingram is even equal to AP, just pointing out that he had a better game against the same terrible dallas D.

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I want to believe last night was not a magic show but my eyes tell me that if it happens again this week, or anything remotely close to it, Benson put David Copperfield on retainer. His next performance isn't until 21NOV at the MGM Grand so we could in fact be in for a special treat! :dance2:

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MI had a good game and I am happy for him. I think SP is extremely smart and trying to build confidence in him knew this was the perfect opportunity because of how bad the Dallas D is.

I hope Mark continues this. I hope he becomes a regular contributor for us and that his best days are ahead.

All of that said- IT WAS ONE GAME!!! Let's wait until he produces regularly before we start popping off on those that have complained for what has been the staple of his career until this point. I am tempering expectations, but very hopeful this is just the beginning.

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I have a question.... Its non-asuming so i am just looking for thoughts.

Given what i saw of Ingram's runs on Sunday against Dallas... Who is out punch it in power back?

We seem to pile up on the Sproles type backs and never really get a powerhouse 1-3 yard back that can carry a pile. So, did Ingram prove he can run better or did he prove he is the same as we already have a few times over, and did that hurt his value to this team?

The most powerful back we have is PT and while he is strong and stout I do not see him as carrying the pile.
Collins is a FB but he has yet to prove he can get anything done.
Sproles is not a power back.
Robinson may not see the playing field again unless Ingram gets hurt.

When we are on the 3 yard line against SF or Seattle, who are you going to with confidence to punch it in?

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PT is one of the best short-yardage RB's we've had in over a decade. He ranks near the top of the NFL every year in broken tackles and converting short yardage (although those stats were pre-2012).

I'm giving it to PT.

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Fair answer and what I would do also. However isn't that the roll we drafted Ingram for and who we consistently give the ball to for those plays?

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I'm not sold that we drafted him to be a power-back since he was never a power-back before. I think that was just fan speculation.

I think we just wanted a good RB on the team since at the time we drafted him we didn't have a healthy one anywhere on the roster.

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Fair enough.. You being a Bama fan, you have a better understanding of what Ingram was before the NFL: