Percy Harvin

ChromeSeahwk · 11-27-2013, 09:55 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Well... he did not practice yesterday ...

Seahawks.NET - The Voice of the 12th Man! • View topic - Percy Harvin didn't practice today. As per Pete

Is panic mode beginning out west?

Nope, it has not been uncommon for players recently returned from injury to not practice on Tuesdays thus far this year. If he doesn't practice on Thursday....that's a different story. (Not certain that they ARE practicing that day though as it is Thanksgiving)

SmashMouth · 11-27-2013, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by ChromeSeahwk

Just because a player fumbled once in a big game vs your team doesn't make them a "Fumbler" in all situations.

Harvin has had 6 fumbles TOTAL in his NFL career - He's got 281 receptions and 107 rushes in his career for a total of 388 total "touches" - Divide that by 6 fumbles and you get a statistic that says he has fumbled on 1.55% of those touches.

Colston by comparison has 575 receptions and 2 total rushes for a total of 577 total "touches". He has fumbled 9 total times in his career - Divdie those and you get a 1.56% percentage of fumbles to touches.

Unfortunately I don't have any stats at the ready for the overall league and this appears to be LOST fumbles and not how many times the player put it on the ground....but I still think it is a decent comparison to show he doesn't appear to be any more fumble prone than other players.

As for comments about Harvin lacking physicality, I don't know where you developed those, but he's a guy who will frequently initiate hits on players at the end of plays rather than running out of bounds.....it is actually one of the reason he has been somewhat injury prone.

Finally, while the Hawks will gladly take what receptions and big plays from Harvin that we can get out of him, one of the biggest things he's done for the offense is to take "the top off the defense". Harvin is so fast that he often commands a double team or safety help. In his limited plays with Seattle so far, this has left our other receivers in one on one situations that they have consistently been able to win. That's one of the things that doesn't show up on the stat sheet...and we hope and expect it to continue on Monday night.

It might be a more telling stat if it were divided up between his rushing stats and receiving stats. My sense is that the percentage you just gave us would go up significantly if only Percy's rushing plays were factored in. It is rarer for WR to develop fumble-itis.

exile · 11-27-2013, 11:06 AM

Didn't he sit last game with a hammy? It may still be lingering.

AsylumGuido · 11-27-2013, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by ChromeSeahwk

Just because a player fumbled once in a big game vs your team doesn't make them a "Fumbler" in all situations.

Harvin has had 6 fumbles TOTAL in his NFL career - He's got 281 receptions and 107 rushes in his career for a total of 388 total "touches" - Divide that by 6 fumbles and you get a statistic that says he has fumbled on 1.55% of those touches.

Colston by comparison has 575 receptions and 2 total rushes for a total of 577 total "touches". He has fumbled 9 total times in his career - Divdie those and you get a 1.56% percentage of fumbles to touches.

Unfortunately I don't have any stats at the ready for the overall league and this appears to be LOST fumbles and not how many times the player put it on the ground....but I still think it is a decent comparison to show he doesn't appear to be any more fumble prone than other players.

As for comments about Harvin lacking physicality, I don't know where you developed those, but he's a guy who will frequently initiate hits on players at the end of plays rather than running out of bounds.....it is actually one of the reason he has been somewhat injury prone.

Finally, while the Hawks will gladly take what receptions and big plays from Harvin that we can get out of him, one of the biggest things he's done for the offense is to take "the top off the defense". Harvin is so fast that he often commands a double team or safety help. In his limited plays with Seattle so far, this has left our other receivers in one on one situations that they have consistently been able to win. That's one of the things that doesn't show up on the stat sheet...and we hope and expect it to continue on Monday night.

Umm, you are aware that his "limited play" has been limited entirely to that against arguably the worst pass defense in the NFL, right?

ScottF · 11-27-2013, 11:41 AM

he'd have more fumbles if he was ever healthy

saintsfan403 · 11-27-2013, 11:48 AM

Stop Lynch and nothing else matters.

ChromeSeahwk · 11-27-2013, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

It might be a more telling stat if it were divided up between his rushing stats and receiving stats. My sense is that the percentage you just gave us would go up significantly if only Percy's rushing plays were factored in. It is rarer for WR to develop fumble-itis.

Looks like 3 fumbles while Rushing and 3 fumbles while receiving.....based on the fact that he has roughly 3 times as many receptions as carries, you are correct - he has fumbled on a higher percentage of rushes than catches. Kind of logical really when you think about it though, given how there are more hands in on tackles and such while rushing. Interesting nevertheless

Originally Posted by exile

Didn't he sit last game with a hammy? It may still be lingering.

And Exile no, he did NOT sit out last game with a hammy, it was his first game on the active roster and he played the entire game. 1 reception and 1 kick returned. He was however a bigger factor than appears though because of what I mentioned in my previous post....he pulled coverage towards him allowing other Seahawks receivers to get open.

Originally Posted by ScottF

he'd have more fumbles if he was ever healthy

ScottF – That’s EXACTLY why I gave you guys a ratio of fumbles to touches – Statistically he probably would NOT have that different of a ratio if he had missed less time.

ChromeSeahwk · 11-27-2013, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Umm, you are aware that his "limited play" has been limited entirely to that against arguably the worst pass defense in the NFL, right?

Yep, they are bad (28th vs the pass DVOA), but whether they are good or bad, but he's still going to affect your defense in the same manner - if he doesn't then he'll likely be open. This week will certainly be a lot more telling given that the Saints are the 5th ranked vs the pass DVOA

swampking · 11-27-2013, 12:03 PM

Harvin is not going to be the problem, Wilson is. We have to maintain our gaps and not be fooled by the play one way then a qb keeper by Wilson.
BOX HIM IN AND MAKE HIM THROW FROM THE POCKET. He is very good on the roll out.

Seahawks12th · 11-27-2013, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by swampking

Harvin is not going to be the problem, Wilson is. We have to maintain our gaps and not be fooled by the play one way then a qb keeper by Wilson.
BOX HIM IN AND MAKE HIM THROW FROM THE POCKET. He is very good on the roll out.

You do realize that Harvin was an MVP candidate before he got injured last year but he isn't going to be the problem?? Wow, I am going to have to suspend you from this board for violating the Boards drug policy effective immediately!!

11-27-2013, 09:55 AM	#21
ChromeSeahwk Rookie Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 13	Re: Percy Harvin Originally Posted by SmashMouth Well... he did not practice yesterday ... Seahawks.NET - The Voice of the 12th Man! • View topic - Percy Harvin didn't practice today. As per Pete Is panic mode beginning out west? Nope, it has not been uncommon for players recently returned from injury to not practice on Tuesdays thus far this year. If he doesn't practice on Thursday....that's a different story. (Not certain that they ARE practicing that day though as it is Thanksgiving)
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11-27-2013, 09:57 AM	#22
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 36,985 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Percy Harvin Originally Posted by ChromeSeahwk Just because a player fumbled once in a big game vs your team doesn't make them a "Fumbler" in all situations. Harvin has had 6 fumbles TOTAL in his NFL career - He's got 281 receptions and 107 rushes in his career for a total of 388 total "touches" - Divide that by 6 fumbles and you get a statistic that says he has fumbled on 1.55% of those touches. Colston by comparison has 575 receptions and 2 total rushes for a total of 577 total "touches". He has fumbled 9 total times in his career - Divdie those and you get a 1.56% percentage of fumbles to touches. Unfortunately I don't have any stats at the ready for the overall league and this appears to be LOST fumbles and not how many times the player put it on the ground....but I still think it is a decent comparison to show he doesn't appear to be any more fumble prone than other players. As for comments about Harvin lacking physicality, I don't know where you developed those, but he's a guy who will frequently initiate hits on players at the end of plays rather than running out of bounds.....it is actually one of the reason he has been somewhat injury prone. Finally, while the Hawks will gladly take what receptions and big plays from Harvin that we can get out of him, one of the biggest things he's done for the offense is to take "the top off the defense". Harvin is so fast that he often commands a double team or safety help. In his limited plays with Seattle so far, this has left our other receivers in one on one situations that they have consistently been able to win. That's one of the things that doesn't show up on the stat sheet...and we hope and expect it to continue on Monday night. It might be a more telling stat if it were divided up between his rushing stats and receiving stats. My sense is that the percentage you just gave us would go up significantly if only Percy's rushing plays were factored in. It is rarer for WR to develop fumble-itis.

11-27-2013, 11:06 AM	#23
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11-27-2013, 11:25 AM	#24
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,394	Re: Percy Harvin Originally Posted by ChromeSeahwk Just because a player fumbled once in a big game vs your team doesn't make them a "Fumbler" in all situations. Harvin has had 6 fumbles TOTAL in his NFL career - He's got 281 receptions and 107 rushes in his career for a total of 388 total "touches" - Divide that by 6 fumbles and you get a statistic that says he has fumbled on 1.55% of those touches. Colston by comparison has 575 receptions and 2 total rushes for a total of 577 total "touches". He has fumbled 9 total times in his career - Divdie those and you get a 1.56% percentage of fumbles to touches. Unfortunately I don't have any stats at the ready for the overall league and this appears to be LOST fumbles and not how many times the player put it on the ground....but I still think it is a decent comparison to show he doesn't appear to be any more fumble prone than other players. As for comments about Harvin lacking physicality, I don't know where you developed those, but he's a guy who will frequently initiate hits on players at the end of plays rather than running out of bounds.....it is actually one of the reason he has been somewhat injury prone. Finally, while the Hawks will gladly take what receptions and big plays from Harvin that we can get out of him, one of the biggest things he's done for the offense is to take "the top off the defense". Harvin is so fast that he often commands a double team or safety help. In his limited plays with Seattle so far, this has left our other receivers in one on one situations that they have consistently been able to win. That's one of the things that doesn't show up on the stat sheet...and we hope and expect it to continue on Monday night. Umm, you are aware that his "limited play" has been limited entirely to that against arguably the worst pass defense in the NFL, right? SaintsBro likes this.

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ChromeSeahwk Rookie Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 13	Re: Percy Harvin Originally Posted by SmashMouth It might be a more telling stat if it were divided up between his rushing stats and receiving stats. My sense is that the percentage you just gave us would go up significantly if only Percy's rushing plays were factored in. It is rarer for WR to develop fumble-itis. Looks like 3 fumbles while Rushing and 3 fumbles while receiving.....based on the fact that he has roughly 3 times as many receptions as carries, you are correct - he has fumbled on a higher percentage of rushes than catches. Kind of logical really when you think about it though, given how there are more hands in on tackles and such while rushing. Interesting nevertheless Originally Posted by exile Didn't he sit last game with a hammy? It may still be lingering. And Exile no, he did NOT sit out last game with a hammy, it was his first game on the active roster and he played the entire game. 1 reception and 1 kick returned. He was however a bigger factor than appears though because of what I mentioned in my previous post....he pulled coverage towards him allowing other Seahawks receivers to get open. Originally Posted by ScottF he'd have more fumbles if he was ever healthy ScottF – That’s EXACTLY why I gave you guys a ratio of fumbles to touches – Statistically he probably would NOT have that different of a ratio if he had missed less time.
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ChromeSeahwk Rookie Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 13	Re: Percy Harvin Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Umm, you are aware that his "limited play" has been limited entirely to that against arguably the worst pass defense in the NFL, right? Yep, they are bad (28th vs the pass DVOA), but whether they are good or bad, but he's still going to affect your defense in the same manner - if he doesn't then he'll likely be open. This week will certainly be a lot more telling given that the Saints are the 5th ranked vs the pass DVOA
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swampking Rookie Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 23	Re: Percy Harvin Harvin is not going to be the problem, Wilson is. We have to maintain our gaps and not be fooled by the play one way then a qb keeper by Wilson. BOX HIM IN AND MAKE HIM THROW FROM THE POCKET. He is very good on the roll out.
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Seahawks12th 100th Post Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Kirkland, WA Posts: 188	Re: Percy Harvin Originally Posted by swampking Harvin is not going to be the problem, Wilson is. We have to maintain our gaps and not be fooled by the play one way then a qb keeper by Wilson. BOX HIM IN AND MAKE HIM THROW FROM THE POCKET. He is very good on the roll out. You do realize that Harvin was an MVP candidate before he got injured last year but he isn't going to be the problem?? Wow, I am going to have to suspend you from this board for violating the Boards drug policy effective immediately!!

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