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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; he will give them some flash but he will also lay more than one egg on the field also, thats the knock on him from day one, explosive but inconstant...

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Old 11-23-2013, 06:15 PM   #1
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Re: Percy Harvin

he will give them some flash but he will also lay more than one egg on the field also, thats the knock on him from day one, explosive but inconstant
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Old 11-27-2013, 09:53 AM   #2
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he will give them some flash but he will also lay more than one egg on the field also, thats the knock on him from day one, explosive but inconstant
Just because a player fumbled once in a big game vs your team doesn't make them a "Fumbler" in all situations.

Harvin has had 6 fumbles TOTAL in his NFL career - He's got 281 receptions and 107 rushes in his career for a total of 388 total "touches" - Divide that by 6 fumbles and you get a statistic that says he has fumbled on 1.55% of those touches.

Colston by comparison has 575 receptions and 2 total rushes for a total of 577 total "touches". He has fumbled 9 total times in his career - Divdie those and you get a 1.56% percentage of fumbles to touches.

Unfortunately I don't have any stats at the ready for the overall league and this appears to be LOST fumbles and not how many times the player put it on the ground....but I still think it is a decent comparison to show he doesn't appear to be any more fumble prone than other players.

As for comments about Harvin lacking physicality, I don't know where you developed those, but he's a guy who will frequently initiate hits on players at the end of plays rather than running out of bounds.....it is actually one of the reason he has been somewhat injury prone.

Finally, while the Hawks will gladly take what receptions and big plays from Harvin that we can get out of him, one of the biggest things he's done for the offense is to take "the top off the defense". Harvin is so fast that he often commands a double team or safety help. In his limited plays with Seattle so far, this has left our other receivers in one on one situations that they have consistently been able to win. That's one of the things that doesn't show up on the stat sheet...and we hope and expect it to continue on Monday night.
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Originally Posted by ChromeSeahwk View Post
Just because a player fumbled once in a big game vs your team doesn't make them a "Fumbler" in all situations.

Harvin has had 6 fumbles TOTAL in his NFL career - He's got 281 receptions and 107 rushes in his career for a total of 388 total "touches" - Divide that by 6 fumbles and you get a statistic that says he has fumbled on 1.55% of those touches.

Colston by comparison has 575 receptions and 2 total rushes for a total of 577 total "touches". He has fumbled 9 total times in his career - Divdie those and you get a 1.56% percentage of fumbles to touches.

Unfortunately I don't have any stats at the ready for the overall league and this appears to be LOST fumbles and not how many times the player put it on the ground....but I still think it is a decent comparison to show he doesn't appear to be any more fumble prone than other players.

As for comments about Harvin lacking physicality, I don't know where you developed those, but he's a guy who will frequently initiate hits on players at the end of plays rather than running out of bounds.....it is actually one of the reason he has been somewhat injury prone.

Finally, while the Hawks will gladly take what receptions and big plays from Harvin that we can get out of him, one of the biggest things he's done for the offense is to take "the top off the defense". Harvin is so fast that he often commands a double team or safety help. In his limited plays with Seattle so far, this has left our other receivers in one on one situations that they have consistently been able to win. That's one of the things that doesn't show up on the stat sheet...and we hope and expect it to continue on Monday night.
It might be a more telling stat if it were divided up between his rushing stats and receiving stats. My sense is that the percentage you just gave us would go up significantly if only Percy's rushing plays were factored in. It is rarer for WR to develop fumble-itis.
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Originally Posted by ChromeSeahwk View Post
Just because a player fumbled once in a big game vs your team doesn't make them a "Fumbler" in all situations.

Harvin has had 6 fumbles TOTAL in his NFL career - He's got 281 receptions and 107 rushes in his career for a total of 388 total "touches" - Divide that by 6 fumbles and you get a statistic that says he has fumbled on 1.55% of those touches.

Colston by comparison has 575 receptions and 2 total rushes for a total of 577 total "touches". He has fumbled 9 total times in his career - Divdie those and you get a 1.56% percentage of fumbles to touches.

Unfortunately I don't have any stats at the ready for the overall league and this appears to be LOST fumbles and not how many times the player put it on the ground....but I still think it is a decent comparison to show he doesn't appear to be any more fumble prone than other players.

As for comments about Harvin lacking physicality, I don't know where you developed those, but he's a guy who will frequently initiate hits on players at the end of plays rather than running out of bounds.....it is actually one of the reason he has been somewhat injury prone.

Finally, while the Hawks will gladly take what receptions and big plays from Harvin that we can get out of him, one of the biggest things he's done for the offense is to take "the top off the defense". Harvin is so fast that he often commands a double team or safety help. In his limited plays with Seattle so far, this has left our other receivers in one on one situations that they have consistently been able to win. That's one of the things that doesn't show up on the stat sheet...and we hope and expect it to continue on Monday night.
Umm, you are aware that his "limited play" has been limited entirely to that against arguably the worst pass defense in the NFL, right?
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Old 11-27-2013, 11:57 AM   #5
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Umm, you are aware that his "limited play" has been limited entirely to that against arguably the worst pass defense in the NFL, right?
Yep, they are bad (28th vs the pass DVOA), but whether they are good or bad, but he's still going to affect your defense in the same manner - if he doesn't then he'll likely be open. This week will certainly be a lot more telling given that the Saints are the 5th ranked vs the pass DVOA
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Harvin is not going to be the problem, Wilson is. We have to maintain our gaps and not be fooled by the play one way then a qb keeper by Wilson.
BOX HIM IN AND MAKE HIM THROW FROM THE POCKET. He is very good on the roll out.
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Harvin is not going to be the problem, Wilson is. We have to maintain our gaps and not be fooled by the play one way then a qb keeper by Wilson.
BOX HIM IN AND MAKE HIM THROW FROM THE POCKET. He is very good on the roll out.
You do realize that Harvin was an MVP candidate before he got injured last year but he isn't going to be the problem?? Wow, I am going to have to suspend you from this board for violating the Boards drug policy effective immediately!!
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You do realize that Harvin was an MVP candidate before he got injured last year but he isn't going to be the problem?? Wow, I am going to have to suspend you from this board for violating the Boards drug policy effective immediately!!
So was Adrian Peterson and he has not been anywhere near as affective as last season. Harvin is on a different team, in a different season after an extended leave due to injury. To anticipate that he would be anywhere close to where he was last season is shortsighted, at best.
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Originally Posted by Seahawks12th View Post
You do realize that Harvin was an MVP candidate before he got injured last year but he isn't going to be the problem?? Wow, I am going to have to suspend you from this board for violating the Boards drug policy effective immediately!!
Lets hold off on committing me to the drug ward. But you will see I am right about this.
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