2014 NFL Draft

jcp026 · 01-10-2014, 11:57 PM

Originally Posted by exile

Late round steal? Larry Webster, DE, Bloomsburg.

Larry Webster, DE, Bloomsburg - Football.com | Small School Prospects On The Rise

This is probably going to be one of those guys who flies up the draft board. We'll probably have to get him in the third at the latest.

DrewDat · 01-11-2014, 01:34 AM

def need safety and Lb's

jeanpierre · 01-11-2014, 02:44 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Hagan and jeanpierre, I want your opinions on something. Of course we don't know what will happen in free agency, but if Vic Beasley and Kyle Van Noy are both available when we pick and we still have a need at OLB... Which one would y'all rather we draft? I've read countless mock drafts and those two seem to be the most common picks for us. I'm leaning towards Van Noy because of his abilities in coverage and he can play ILB if needed.

Beasley from what I see will be gone by pick #17 unless he messes his pants at the combine or at one of the invite games where there's a concentration of talent...

He's the same guy we have in Junior Galette from what I've seen with maybe a slightly higher ceiling; he doesn't warrant a selection by the Saints...

Van Noy is one of those guys who's got the film but GM's may be afraid to pull the trigger in the first or upper second round because he doesn't have those combine measurables to reinforce, explain the argument for selection...

I've always preferred Sammy Knights vs Reynaldo Turnbulls; just gotta see where a prospect can apply his gifts to the game to give him an edge; rather have a guy that makes plays with his smarts and pushing his talents every week to the extreme than wasted "potential"...

If he's there in the third round, I'd strongly consider Van Noy; but where we'll be picking in the third - he should be gone and really like a couple of safeties grading in the second round to transition from the Harper/Jenkins experiment that has failed miserably and to complement Kenny Vaccaro and Rafael Bush so that we shore up the backstop...

For me, those big gashing plays are still fresh in my mind...

hagan714 · 01-11-2014, 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Rams want out of No. 2...

Would it be worth the move up to grab OT Jake Matthews?!?

IMO i sat no. i look at washington trading into 1 if an OL is there. we are not so bad that moving back a few spots and picking up a pick or two would hurt the team.

besides after todays game i think we have LOT.

hagan714 · 01-11-2014, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Hagan and jeanpierre, I want your opinions on something. Of course we don't know what will happen in free agency, but if Vic Beasley and Kyle Van Noy are both available when we pick and we still have a need at OLB... Which one would y'all rather we draft? I've read countless mock drafts and those two seem to be the most common picks for us. I'm leaning towards Van Noy because of his abilities in coverage and he can play ILB if needed.

Beasly i am not so high on. against some of the top OT in the draft he has played against he has had little impact. i look at lB as players that need to hold there own all game long and not just a few plays ina game. I will give him this: he seems to have that knack for big plays when a game is on the line.

that bring us to Van. i like him a bit better as a steady player. he is hard to judge because like Beasley when he played top competition he kinda disappeared.

if i had to pick from only these two i would cross my fingers and go with Von. reason versatility and pass coverage skills.

there are others i would look at in round one.

FS jumps out at me along with OLB. we need to get bigger and fast.

DISPLACEDFAN · 01-11-2014, 08:18 PM

secondary help that can catch and turn and look for a ball thrown their way

Schmohams · 01-11-2014, 08:36 PM

We are all here talking about drafting defensive players when really it's our offense that needs help.

hagan714 · 01-11-2014, 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by DISPLACEDFAN

secondary help that can catch and turn and look for a ball thrown their way

lamo you saw what i saw today. white definitely need to work on reading the wr and reacting. i really like White in the slot and i think that is where he belongs. remember injury is the only reason he is outside. there are some good CB in the draft but tackling is often over looked. look at day 2 and three for so,e really nice CB to draft and develop and have shown great promise with improvement of there over all game this year.

DISPLACEDFAN · 01-11-2014, 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

lamo you saw what i saw today. white definitely need to work on reading the wr and reacting. i really like White in the slot and i think that is where he belongs. remember injury is the only reason he is outside. there are some good CB in the draft but tackling is often over looked. look at day 2 and three for so,e really nice CB to draft and develop and have shown great promise with improvement of there over all game this year.

I've seen it all year by everyone except Lewis. Far too many times our corners are in catch up mode. People say I'm a pessimistic fan but I see what I see. I don't care for White at all except for depth

Id also love to see some offensive line upgrades and some Lb upgrades but secondary is my biggest need IMHO

hagan714 · 01-11-2014, 08:58 PM

Originally Posted by Schmohams

We are all here talking about drafting defensive players when really it's our offense that needs help.

Originally Posted by hagan714

1st Round- not set on any one yet but right now pipe dram is
Cyril Richardson, G/OT, Baylor

2nd Round- Morgan Moses, ROT/OG Virginia 6056 325 5.28
3rd Round- Keith McGill CB/S Utah 6021 205 4.38/4.49
4th Round- Stanley Jean-Baptiste CB/WR/S Nebraska 6022 220 4.46/4.56
5th Round- Shamar Stephen DT/DE Conneticut 6045 313 5.14
6th Round- Zach Kerr, DT, Delaware 6012 322 5.12

still waiting on
Ty Montgomery WR Stanford 6015 215 4.52/4.42

I can round 1 going to Odell Beckham Jr. WRhe has SP falsh and dash written all over him. lol

I would love to see Cyril Richardson selected by the saints. a well rounded OG that has speed/quickness to play some ROT. 355 pound men are not suppose to be that quick.

The next pick Morgan Moses, also address the Ol and it's present day depth as well as looking to the future for new starters. i now i am beating my drum for this kid but to get a RT that has the ability to play LT if needed is a glaring need. That was Streifs job before he became a starter and the saints have not found a player to take that role. I really think he will stand out at the combine. ROT that can has the quickness of a OG when pulling? not bad. i rate him as one of the better gambles in the draft.

Both player come from teams that require blocking at the second level, pulling and screen blocking. Both are probably among the best at playing on the move. run blocking is not an issue and both are solid pass blockers also. with them the saints would get immediate upgrade for team speed and athleticism on the OL.

with both picks you might have the future replacement to go with Armstead.

WR is an issue plus a blocking TE would help. god knows Graham is one of the worse blocking TE in the NFL.

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Safety	12	13.33%
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Center	26	28.89%
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01-10-2014, 11:57 PM	#231
jcp026 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 951	Re: 2014 NFL Draft Originally Posted by exile Late round steal? Larry Webster, DE, Bloomsburg. Larry Webster, DE, Bloomsburg - Football.com \| Small School Prospects On The Rise This is probably going to be one of those guys who flies up the draft board. We'll probably have to get him in the third at the latest.
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01-11-2014, 01:34 AM	#232
DrewDat DOMEPATROL Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Jacksonville,Florida Due To Military Obligation Posts: 479	Re: 2014 NFL Draft def need safety and Lb's MarchingOn likes this.

01-11-2014, 02:44 AM	#233
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2014 NFL Draft Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Hagan and jeanpierre, I want your opinions on something. Of course we don't know what will happen in free agency, but if Vic Beasley and Kyle Van Noy are both available when we pick and we still have a need at OLB... Which one would y'all rather we draft? I've read countless mock drafts and those two seem to be the most common picks for us. I'm leaning towards Van Noy because of his abilities in coverage and he can play ILB if needed. Beasley from what I see will be gone by pick #17 unless he messes his pants at the combine or at one of the invite games where there's a concentration of talent... He's the same guy we have in Junior Galette from what I've seen with maybe a slightly higher ceiling; he doesn't warrant a selection by the Saints... Van Noy is one of those guys who's got the film but GM's may be afraid to pull the trigger in the first or upper second round because he doesn't have those combine measurables to reinforce, explain the argument for selection... I've always preferred Sammy Knights vs Reynaldo Turnbulls; just gotta see where a prospect can apply his gifts to the game to give him an edge; rather have a guy that makes plays with his smarts and pushing his talents every week to the extreme than wasted "potential"... If he's there in the third round, I'd strongly consider Van Noy; but where we'll be picking in the third - he should be gone and really like a couple of safeties grading in the second round to transition from the Harper/Jenkins experiment that has failed miserably and to complement Kenny Vaccaro and Rafael Bush so that we shore up the backstop... For me, those big gashing plays are still fresh in my mind... hagan714 and MarchingOn like this.
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01-11-2014, 08:06 PM	#234
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: 2014 NFL Draft Originally Posted by jeanpierre Rams want out of No. 2... Would it be worth the move up to grab OT Jake Matthews?!? IMO i sat no. i look at washington trading into 1 if an OL is there. we are not so bad that moving back a few spots and picking up a pick or two would hurt the team. besides after todays game i think we have LOT. jeanpierre and MarchingOn like this.

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01-11-2014, 08:15 PM	#235
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: 2014 NFL Draft Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Hagan and jeanpierre, I want your opinions on something. Of course we don't know what will happen in free agency, but if Vic Beasley and Kyle Van Noy are both available when we pick and we still have a need at OLB... Which one would y'all rather we draft? I've read countless mock drafts and those two seem to be the most common picks for us. I'm leaning towards Van Noy because of his abilities in coverage and he can play ILB if needed. Beasly i am not so high on. against some of the top OT in the draft he has played against he has had little impact. i look at lB as players that need to hold there own all game long and not just a few plays ina game. I will give him this: he seems to have that knack for big plays when a game is on the line. that bring us to Van. i like him a bit better as a steady player. he is hard to judge because like Beasley when he played top competition he kinda disappeared. if i had to pick from only these two i would cross my fingers and go with Von. reason versatility and pass coverage skills. there are others i would look at in round one. FS jumps out at me along with OLB. we need to get bigger and fast.
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01-11-2014, 08:18 PM	#236
DISPLACEDFAN 500th Post Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: corning,ny Posts: 518	Re: 2014 NFL Draft secondary help that can catch and turn and look for a ball thrown their way hagan714, jeanpierre, SaintsBro and 1 others like this.

01-11-2014, 08:36 PM	#237
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01-11-2014, 08:37 PM	#238
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: 2014 NFL Draft Originally Posted by DISPLACEDFAN secondary help that can catch and turn and look for a ball thrown their way lamo you saw what i saw today. white definitely need to work on reading the wr and reacting. i really like White in the slot and i think that is where he belongs. remember injury is the only reason he is outside. there are some good CB in the draft but tackling is often over looked. look at day 2 and three for so,e really nice CB to draft and develop and have shown great promise with improvement of there over all game this year. jeanpierre, exile, MarchingOn and 1 others like this.

01-11-2014, 08:48 PM	#239
DISPLACEDFAN 500th Post Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: corning,ny Posts: 518	Re: 2014 NFL Draft Originally Posted by hagan714 lamo you saw what i saw today. white definitely need to work on reading the wr and reacting. i really like White in the slot and i think that is where he belongs. remember injury is the only reason he is outside. there are some good CB in the draft but tackling is often over looked. look at day 2 and three for so,e really nice CB to draft and develop and have shown great promise with improvement of there over all game this year. I've seen it all year by everyone except Lewis. Far too many times our corners are in catch up mode. People say I'm a pessimistic fan but I see what I see. I don't care for White at all except for depth Id also love to see some offensive line upgrades and some Lb upgrades but secondary is my biggest need IMHO

01-11-2014, 08:58 PM	#240
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: 2014 NFL Draft Originally Posted by Schmohams We are all here talking about drafting defensive players when really it's our offense that needs help. Originally Posted by hagan714 1st Round- not set on any one yet but right now pipe dram is Cyril Richardson, G/OT, Baylor 2nd Round- Morgan Moses, ROT/OG Virginia 6056 325 5.28 3rd Round- Keith McGill CB/S Utah 6021 205 4.38/4.49 4th Round- Stanley Jean-Baptiste CB/WR/S Nebraska 6022 220 4.46/4.56 5th Round- Shamar Stephen DT/DE Conneticut 6045 313 5.14 6th Round- Zach Kerr, DT, Delaware 6012 322 5.12 still waiting on Ty Montgomery WR Stanford 6015 215 4.52/4.42 I can round 1 going to Odell Beckham Jr. WRhe has SP falsh and dash written all over him. lol I would love to see Cyril Richardson selected by the saints. a well rounded OG that has speed/quickness to play some ROT. 355 pound men are not suppose to be that quick. The next pick Morgan Moses, also address the Ol and it's present day depth as well as looking to the future for new starters. i now i am beating my drum for this kid but to get a RT that has the ability to play LT if needed is a glaring need. That was Streifs job before he became a starter and the saints have not found a player to take that role. I really think he will stand out at the combine. ROT that can has the quickness of a OG when pulling? not bad. i rate him as one of the better gambles in the draft. Both player come from teams that require blocking at the second level, pulling and screen blocking. Both are probably among the best at playing on the move. run blocking is not an issue and both are solid pass blockers also. with them the saints would get immediate upgrade for team speed and athleticism on the OL. with both picks you might have the future replacement to go with Armstead. WR is an issue plus a blocking TE would help. god knows Graham is one of the worse blocking TE in the NFL. MarchingOn likes this.
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