This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere

blackangold · 12-30-2013, 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

I'll go ahead and say that he absolutely was a bust. For being the #14 pick he didn't justify it one bit. A handful of nice plays in 5 years doesn't cut it.

You can't call Jenkins a bust. I do think he is an awful safety, however he should have never been drafted to play FS. He was a CB in college and unfortunately we wasted him on a position he shouldn't have played.

blackangold · 12-30-2013, 07:22 PM

Jenkins and Harper are awful safeties...

Don't take my word for it though you can look at this tidbit if you'd like.

" S: Of 88 graded safeties, Roman Harper came in 87th and Malcom Jenkins came in 88th. No joke. Isa Abdul-Quddus came in a middle of the pack 40th. In coverage, Harper was dead last and Jenkins was 4th worst. Against the run, IAQ was 5th worst and Jenkins was 6th worst. Roman Harper gave up 46 receptions, no other safety gave up for than 41. Basically the play on the back end was possibly the worst ever"

Saints Nation: Pro Football Focus Scores For Saints Players in 2012 (Defense & Special Teams)

PFF is widely accepted and a trusted source. They should both be gone next season regardless of dead money involved.

Vaccaro> Harper
Bush> Jenkins

It's not even close.

SaintLeonard · 12-30-2013, 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Jenkins and Harper are awful safeties...

Don't take my word for it though you can look at this tidbit if you'd like.

" S: Of 88 graded safeties, Roman Harper came in 87th and Malcom Jenkins came in 88th. No joke. Isa Abdul-Quddus came in a middle of the pack 40th. In coverage, Harper was dead last and Jenkins was 4th worst. Against the run, IAQ was 5th worst and Jenkins was 6th worst. Roman Harper gave up 46 receptions, no other safety gave up for than 41. Basically the play on the back end was possibly the worst ever"

Saints Nation: Pro Football Focus Scores For Saints Players in 2012 (Defense & Special Teams)

PFF is widely accepted and a trusted source. They should both be gone next season regardless of dead money involved.

Vaccaro> Harper
Bush> Jenkins

It's not even close.

Kind of hard to blame anybody on our defense for 2012. There is not a single soul on this earth that could have succeeded in our defense that year.

Danno · 12-30-2013, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Jenkins and Harper are awful safeties...

Don't take my word for it though you can look at this tidbit if you'd like.

" S: Of 88 graded safeties, Roman Harper came in 87th and Malcom Jenkins came in 88th. No joke. Isa Abdul-Quddus came in a middle of the pack 40th. In coverage, Harper was dead last and Jenkins was 4th worst. Against the run, IAQ was 5th worst and Jenkins was 6th worst. Roman Harper gave up 46 receptions, no other safety gave up for than 41. Basically the play on the back end was possibly the worst ever"

Saints Nation: Pro Football Focus Scores For Saints Players in 2012 (Defense & Special Teams)

PFF is widely accepted and a trusted source. They should both be gone next season regardless of dead money involved.

Vaccaro> Harper
Bush> Jenkins

It's not even close.

Anyone who uses 2012 stats to evaluate a 2013 Saint is extremely shortsighted and shows a total lack of football knowledge.

Lofton was also one of the worst MLB's in the NFL and Jabari Greer was one of the worst CB's in the entire NFL according to 2012 PFF stats.

blackangold · 12-30-2013, 08:43 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Anyone who uses 2012 stats to evaluate a 2013 Saint is extremely shortsighted and shows a total lack of football knowledge.

Lofton was also one of the worst MLB's in the NFL and Jabari Greer was one of the worst CB's in the entire NFL according to 2012 PFF stats.

Originally Posted by SaintLeonard

Kind of hard to blame anybody on our defense for 2012. There is not a single soul on this earth that could have succeeded in our defense that year.

Like a fly in my trap...

I knew you would say that so here are the tidbits from 2011; a year when our D was average and GW was the DC. Enough excuses!

"S: I had a real bad feeling about this before I even looked it up. Roman Harper and Malcolm Jenkins were two of the worst graded starters on my player grades. Sure enough, Harper graded 82nd out of 86 graded players. Just horrible. Jenkins graded 42nd overall, or totally middle of the road, with a negative grade. There's 64 starting safeties in the NFL, so for one to grade as 42nd and another 82nd is horrifying. Yuck. Our defense sucked even harder than I thought. I hate you Gregg Williams."

Saints Nation: Pro Football Focus Scores for Saints Players in 2011 (Defense & Special Teams)

nola_swammi · 12-30-2013, 11:09 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Anyone who uses 2012 stats to evaluate a 2013 Saint is extremely shortsighted and shows a total lack of football knowledge.

Lofton was also one of the worst MLB's in the NFL and Jabari Greer was one of the worst CB's in the entire NFL according to 2012 PFF stats.

Of 113 graded corners, Jabari Greer graded best at 60th overall. This average don't make him one of the worst it make him just average

Danno · 12-31-2013, 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

Of 113 graded corners, Jabari Greer graded best at 60th overall. This average don't make him one of the worst it make him just average

Are you sure you aren't using 2013 stats?
Here's the final 2012 rankings for our defenders...
Defensive Ends out of 109
Jordan 66
Smith 108
Galette 19
Wilson 33

DT out of 148
Bunkley 29
Ellis 118
Akiem Hicks 29
Johnson 42

Outside Linebackers Out of 109
Vilma 100
Hawthorne 102
Casillas 59
Wilson 81
Herring 87
Shanle 95

Inside linebackers out of 112
Lofton 104
Wilson (1 snap) 43

CB's out of 217
Greer 113
Robinson 193
Mack 72
White 203
Patrick 205
Murphy 70

Safeties out of 168
Harper 167
Jenkins 168
Bush 22
Abdul- Quddus 57

The Dude · 12-30-2013, 07:24 PM

This game could be a make or break for him depending on how well he does against McCoy if it comes to him.

RaginCajun83 · 12-30-2013, 07:27 PM

Would rather see Vaccaro and Bush then Harper and Jenkins, I'm sick and tired of seeing horrible safeties play for the Saints

RaginCajun83 · 12-30-2013, 07:38 PM

When did Harper become a coach favorite? He's out there because Vaccaro is on IR

12-30-2013, 07:22 PM	#2
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere Jenkins and Harper are awful safeties... Don't take my word for it though you can look at this tidbit if you'd like. " S: Of 88 graded safeties, Roman Harper came in 87th and Malcom Jenkins came in 88th. No joke. Isa Abdul-Quddus came in a middle of the pack 40th. In coverage, Harper was dead last and Jenkins was 4th worst. Against the run, IAQ was 5th worst and Jenkins was 6th worst. Roman Harper gave up 46 receptions, no other safety gave up for than 41. Basically the play on the back end was possibly the worst ever" Saints Nation: Pro Football Focus Scores For Saints Players in 2012 (Defense & Special Teams) PFF is widely accepted and a trusted source. They should both be gone next season regardless of dead money involved. Vaccaro> Harper Bush> Jenkins It's not even close. foreverfan, saintsfan1976, jeanpierre and 1 others like this.

12-30-2013, 08:12 PM	#3
SaintLeonard Bounty hunter Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Nashville Posts: 490	Re: This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere Originally Posted by blackangold Jenkins and Harper are awful safeties... Don't take my word for it though you can look at this tidbit if you'd like. " S: Of 88 graded safeties, Roman Harper came in 87th and Malcom Jenkins came in 88th. No joke. Isa Abdul-Quddus came in a middle of the pack 40th. In coverage, Harper was dead last and Jenkins was 4th worst. Against the run, IAQ was 5th worst and Jenkins was 6th worst. Roman Harper gave up 46 receptions, no other safety gave up for than 41. Basically the play on the back end was possibly the worst ever" Saints Nation: Pro Football Focus Scores For Saints Players in 2012 (Defense & Special Teams) PFF is widely accepted and a trusted source. They should both be gone next season regardless of dead money involved. Vaccaro> Harper Bush> Jenkins It's not even close. Kind of hard to blame anybody on our defense for 2012. There is not a single soul on this earth that could have succeeded in our defense that year.

12-30-2013, 08:23 PM	#4
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,756	Re: This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere Originally Posted by blackangold Jenkins and Harper are awful safeties... Don't take my word for it though you can look at this tidbit if you'd like. " S: Of 88 graded safeties, Roman Harper came in 87th and Malcom Jenkins came in 88th. No joke. Isa Abdul-Quddus came in a middle of the pack 40th. In coverage, Harper was dead last and Jenkins was 4th worst. Against the run, IAQ was 5th worst and Jenkins was 6th worst. Roman Harper gave up 46 receptions, no other safety gave up for than 41. Basically the play on the back end was possibly the worst ever" Saints Nation: Pro Football Focus Scores For Saints Players in 2012 (Defense & Special Teams) PFF is widely accepted and a trusted source. They should both be gone next season regardless of dead money involved. Vaccaro> Harper Bush> Jenkins It's not even close. Anyone who uses 2012 stats to evaluate a 2013 Saint is extremely shortsighted and shows a total lack of football knowledge. Lofton was also one of the worst MLB's in the NFL and Jabari Greer was one of the worst CB's in the entire NFL according to 2012 PFF stats. ScottF likes this.

12-30-2013, 08:43 PM	#5
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere Originally Posted by Danno Anyone who uses 2012 stats to evaluate a 2013 Saint is extremely shortsighted and shows a total lack of football knowledge. Lofton was also one of the worst MLB's in the NFL and Jabari Greer was one of the worst CB's in the entire NFL according to 2012 PFF stats. Originally Posted by SaintLeonard Kind of hard to blame anybody on our defense for 2012. There is not a single soul on this earth that could have succeeded in our defense that year. Like a fly in my trap... I knew you would say that so here are the tidbits from 2011; a year when our D was average and GW was the DC. Enough excuses! "S: I had a real bad feeling about this before I even looked it up. Roman Harper and Malcolm Jenkins were two of the worst graded starters on my player grades. Sure enough, Harper graded 82nd out of 86 graded players. Just horrible. Jenkins graded 42nd overall, or totally middle of the road, with a negative grade. There's 64 starting safeties in the NFL, so for one to grade as 42nd and another 82nd is horrifying. Yuck. Our defense sucked even harder than I thought. I hate you Gregg Williams." Saints Nation: Pro Football Focus Scores for Saints Players in 2011 (Defense & Special Teams)

12-30-2013, 11:09 PM	#6
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere Originally Posted by Danno Anyone who uses 2012 stats to evaluate a 2013 Saint is extremely shortsighted and shows a total lack of football knowledge. Lofton was also one of the worst MLB's in the NFL and Jabari Greer was one of the worst CB's in the entire NFL according to 2012 PFF stats. Of 113 graded corners, Jabari Greer graded best at 60th overall. This average don't make him one of the worst it make him just average

12-30-2013, 07:49 PM	#1
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere Originally Posted by ChrisXVI I'll go ahead and say that he absolutely was a bust. For being the #14 pick he didn't justify it one bit. A handful of nice plays in 5 years doesn't cut it. You can't call Jenkins a bust. I do think he is an awful safety, however he should have never been drafted to play FS. He was a CB in college and unfortunately we wasted him on a position he shouldn't have played. MarchingOn likes this.

12-31-2013, 08:38 AM	#7
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,756	Re: This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere Originally Posted by nola_swammi Of 113 graded corners, Jabari Greer graded best at 60th overall. This average don't make him one of the worst it make him just average Are you sure you aren't using 2013 stats? Here's the final 2012 rankings for our defenders... Defensive Ends out of 109 Jordan 66 Smith 108 Galette 19 Wilson 33 DT out of 148 Bunkley 29 Ellis 118 Akiem Hicks 29 Johnson 42 Outside Linebackers Out of 109 Vilma 100 Hawthorne 102 Casillas 59 Wilson 81 Herring 87 Shanle 95 Inside linebackers out of 112 Lofton 104 Wilson (1 snap) 43 CB's out of 217 Greer 113 Robinson 193 Mack 72 White 203 Patrick 205 Murphy 70 Safeties out of 168 Harper 167 Jenkins 168 Bush 22 Abdul- Quddus 57

12-30-2013, 07:24 PM	#8
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12-30-2013, 07:27 PM	#9
RaginCajun83 Hou Saints Fan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,050	Re: This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere Would rather see Vaccaro and Bush then Harper and Jenkins, I'm sick and tired of seeing horrible safeties play for the Saints foreverfan and ChrisXVI like this.

12-30-2013, 07:38 PM	#10
RaginCajun83 Hou Saints Fan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,050	Re: This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere When did Harper become a coach favorite? He's out there because Vaccaro is on IR jeanpierre and K Major like this.

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