This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere

ChrisXVI · 12-30-2013, 08:43 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

I was just trying to be nice!!

I know... I'm just venting frustration LOL. I bought his damn jersey so I've been dying for him to live up to expectations.

halloween 65 · 12-30-2013, 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

I know... I'm just venting frustration LOL. I bought his damn jersey so I've been dying for him to live up to expectations.

Sorry about the jersey!!

blackangold · 12-30-2013, 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

I'll go ahead and say that he absolutely was a bust. For being the #14 pick he didn't justify it one bit. A handful of nice plays in 5 years doesn't cut it.

You can't call Jenkins a bust. I do think he is an awful safety, however he should have never been drafted to play FS. He was a CB in college and unfortunately we wasted him on a position he shouldn't have played.

alleycat_126 · 12-30-2013, 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by Schmohams

Last year was sign a handful of decent-below average players with low salaries and try them out, and sign one key guy (Kennan Lewis.) I think this year will be similar.

He wasn't below average... He was just a backup

SaintLeonard · 12-30-2013, 09:12 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Jenkins and Harper are awful safeties...

Don't take my word for it though you can look at this tidbit if you'd like.

" S: Of 88 graded safeties, Roman Harper came in 87th and Malcom Jenkins came in 88th. No joke. Isa Abdul-Quddus came in a middle of the pack 40th. In coverage, Harper was dead last and Jenkins was 4th worst. Against the run, IAQ was 5th worst and Jenkins was 6th worst. Roman Harper gave up 46 receptions, no other safety gave up for than 41. Basically the play on the back end was possibly the worst ever"

Saints Nation: Pro Football Focus Scores For Saints Players in 2012 (Defense & Special Teams)

PFF is widely accepted and a trusted source. They should both be gone next season regardless of dead money involved.

Vaccaro> Harper
Bush> Jenkins

It's not even close.

Kind of hard to blame anybody on our defense for 2012. There is not a single soul on this earth that could have succeeded in our defense that year.

Danno · 12-30-2013, 09:23 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Jenkins and Harper are awful safeties...

Don't take my word for it though you can look at this tidbit if you'd like.

" S: Of 88 graded safeties, Roman Harper came in 87th and Malcom Jenkins came in 88th. No joke. Isa Abdul-Quddus came in a middle of the pack 40th. In coverage, Harper was dead last and Jenkins was 4th worst. Against the run, IAQ was 5th worst and Jenkins was 6th worst. Roman Harper gave up 46 receptions, no other safety gave up for than 41. Basically the play on the back end was possibly the worst ever"

Saints Nation: Pro Football Focus Scores For Saints Players in 2012 (Defense & Special Teams)

PFF is widely accepted and a trusted source. They should both be gone next season regardless of dead money involved.

Vaccaro> Harper
Bush> Jenkins

It's not even close.

Anyone who uses 2012 stats to evaluate a 2013 Saint is extremely shortsighted and shows a total lack of football knowledge.

Lofton was also one of the worst MLB's in the NFL and Jabari Greer was one of the worst CB's in the entire NFL according to 2012 PFF stats.

K Major · 12-30-2013, 09:29 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

We'll have to draft regardless, and that's why I like Washington St Deonne Bucannon as a complement to Kenny Vaccaro...

That'll keep us from committing money to two bad contracts/defensive backs who can't perform their primary function - coverage...

JP,
This Bucannon kid is projected to be a 2nd round selection. Who else do you have on your short list of ball hawking safeties for next years draft?

blackangold · 12-30-2013, 09:43 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Anyone who uses 2012 stats to evaluate a 2013 Saint is extremely shortsighted and shows a total lack of football knowledge.

Lofton was also one of the worst MLB's in the NFL and Jabari Greer was one of the worst CB's in the entire NFL according to 2012 PFF stats.

Originally Posted by SaintLeonard

Kind of hard to blame anybody on our defense for 2012. There is not a single soul on this earth that could have succeeded in our defense that year.

Like a fly in my trap...

I knew you would say that so here are the tidbits from 2011; a year when our D was average and GW was the DC. Enough excuses!

"S: I had a real bad feeling about this before I even looked it up. Roman Harper and Malcolm Jenkins were two of the worst graded starters on my player grades. Sure enough, Harper graded 82nd out of 86 graded players. Just horrible. Jenkins graded 42nd overall, or totally middle of the road, with a negative grade. There's 64 starting safeties in the NFL, so for one to grade as 42nd and another 82nd is horrifying. Yuck. Our defense sucked even harder than I thought. I hate you Gregg Williams."

Saints Nation: Pro Football Focus Scores for Saints Players in 2011 (Defense & Special Teams)

nola_swammi · 12-30-2013, 10:01 PM

I prefer bush over Jenkins

WhoDatFan26 · 12-30-2013, 11:46 PM

Malcolm Jenkins will be resigned to a 3 year deal. He will be our starting FS/SS next season.

12-30-2013, 08:43 PM	#21
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere Originally Posted by halloween 65 I was just trying to be nice!! I know... I'm just venting frustration LOL. I bought his damn jersey so I've been dying for him to live up to expectations.

12-30-2013, 08:49 PM	#22
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere Originally Posted by ChrisXVI I know... I'm just venting frustration LOL. I bought his damn jersey so I've been dying for him to live up to expectations. Sorry about the jersey!!

12-30-2013, 08:49 PM	#23
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere Originally Posted by ChrisXVI I'll go ahead and say that he absolutely was a bust. For being the #14 pick he didn't justify it one bit. A handful of nice plays in 5 years doesn't cut it. You can't call Jenkins a bust. I do think he is an awful safety, however he should have never been drafted to play FS. He was a CB in college and unfortunately we wasted him on a position he shouldn't have played. MarchingOn likes this.

12-30-2013, 08:55 PM	#24
alleycat_126 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Katy, Tx a suburb of Houston Posts: 2,089	Re: This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere Originally Posted by Schmohams Last year was sign a handful of decent-below average players with low salaries and try them out, and sign one key guy (Kennan Lewis.) I think this year will be similar. He wasn't below average... He was just a backup

12-30-2013, 09:12 PM	#25
SaintLeonard Bounty hunter Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Nashville Posts: 490	Re: This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere Originally Posted by blackangold Jenkins and Harper are awful safeties... Don't take my word for it though you can look at this tidbit if you'd like. " S: Of 88 graded safeties, Roman Harper came in 87th and Malcom Jenkins came in 88th. No joke. Isa Abdul-Quddus came in a middle of the pack 40th. In coverage, Harper was dead last and Jenkins was 4th worst. Against the run, IAQ was 5th worst and Jenkins was 6th worst. Roman Harper gave up 46 receptions, no other safety gave up for than 41. Basically the play on the back end was possibly the worst ever" Saints Nation: Pro Football Focus Scores For Saints Players in 2012 (Defense & Special Teams) PFF is widely accepted and a trusted source. They should both be gone next season regardless of dead money involved. Vaccaro> Harper Bush> Jenkins It's not even close. Kind of hard to blame anybody on our defense for 2012. There is not a single soul on this earth that could have succeeded in our defense that year.

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12-30-2013, 09:23 PM	#26
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere Originally Posted by blackangold Jenkins and Harper are awful safeties... Don't take my word for it though you can look at this tidbit if you'd like. " S: Of 88 graded safeties, Roman Harper came in 87th and Malcom Jenkins came in 88th. No joke. Isa Abdul-Quddus came in a middle of the pack 40th. In coverage, Harper was dead last and Jenkins was 4th worst. Against the run, IAQ was 5th worst and Jenkins was 6th worst. Roman Harper gave up 46 receptions, no other safety gave up for than 41. Basically the play on the back end was possibly the worst ever" Saints Nation: Pro Football Focus Scores For Saints Players in 2012 (Defense & Special Teams) PFF is widely accepted and a trusted source. They should both be gone next season regardless of dead money involved. Vaccaro> Harper Bush> Jenkins It's not even close. Anyone who uses 2012 stats to evaluate a 2013 Saint is extremely shortsighted and shows a total lack of football knowledge. Lofton was also one of the worst MLB's in the NFL and Jabari Greer was one of the worst CB's in the entire NFL according to 2012 PFF stats. ScottF likes this.

12-30-2013, 09:29 PM	#27
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere Originally Posted by jeanpierre We'll have to draft regardless, and that's why I like Washington St Deonne Bucannon as a complement to Kenny Vaccaro... That'll keep us from committing money to two bad contracts/defensive backs who can't perform their primary function - coverage... JP, This Bucannon kid is projected to be a 2nd round selection. Who else do you have on your short list of ball hawking safeties for next years draft?

12-30-2013, 09:43 PM	#28
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere Originally Posted by Danno Anyone who uses 2012 stats to evaluate a 2013 Saint is extremely shortsighted and shows a total lack of football knowledge. Lofton was also one of the worst MLB's in the NFL and Jabari Greer was one of the worst CB's in the entire NFL according to 2012 PFF stats. Originally Posted by SaintLeonard Kind of hard to blame anybody on our defense for 2012. There is not a single soul on this earth that could have succeeded in our defense that year. Like a fly in my trap... I knew you would say that so here are the tidbits from 2011; a year when our D was average and GW was the DC. Enough excuses! "S: I had a real bad feeling about this before I even looked it up. Roman Harper and Malcolm Jenkins were two of the worst graded starters on my player grades. Sure enough, Harper graded 82nd out of 86 graded players. Just horrible. Jenkins graded 42nd overall, or totally middle of the road, with a negative grade. There's 64 starting safeties in the NFL, so for one to grade as 42nd and another 82nd is horrifying. Yuck. Our defense sucked even harder than I thought. I hate you Gregg Williams." Saints Nation: Pro Football Focus Scores for Saints Players in 2011 (Defense & Special Teams)

12-30-2013, 10:01 PM	#29
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere I prefer bush over Jenkins

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