This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere

TheOak · 12-31-2013, 08:13 AM

Originally Posted by WhoDatFan26

In 2013, his stats were:
68 tackles, 2.5 sacks and 2 interceptions. Plus as I've stated many times he is adept at covering both Tight Ends and Wide Outs. Please stop with the ridiculous notion that he will either be released or traded.

What would you call more ridiculous?

1. You wanting the notion of trading a player that is not trade-able to stop?
2. You wanting the notion of releasing a player that is not releasable to stop?
3. Wanting to keep the 61sh ranked tackler but the 14th highest Cap hit Safety?

Of NFL Safeties
His tackling efficiency ranks 138th in the NFL.
Allowed TDs in his coverage 20th in the NFL.
Yards after the catch allowed 8th in the NFL.
Receptions allowed in his coverage 7th in the NFL.
Coverage targeted in the NFL 10th. <---QBs prey on him.
Missed Tackles 10th most in passing, 18th most in rushing.

He is 5th in pass Rush for S.
4th in sacks for S.

Before you go calling the majority of the board ridiculous you know what you are talking about.

He is only valuable in a 3 S set. Otherwise he is a liability in coverage and open field tackling. He is a mediocre Safety at best but getting paid very well.

Jenkins cant hold Vaccaro's jock and actually trails Harper on some stats.

I would have benched him on that BS puzzy-azz tackle attempt in the Tampa Bay game Sunday when he got hurdled and didn't know until he hit the ground.

WhoDatFan26 · 12-31-2013, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

What would you call more ridiculous?

1. You wanting the notion of trading a player that is not trade-able to stop?
2. You wanting the notion of releasing a player that is not releasable to stop?
3. Wanting to keep the 61sh ranked tackler but the 14th highest Cap hit Safety?

Of NFL Safeties
His tackling efficiency ranks 138th in the NFL.
Allowed TDs in his coverage 20th in the NFL.
Yards after the catch allowed 8th in the NFL.
Receptions allowed in his coverage 7th in the NFL.
Coverage targeted in the NFL 10th. <---QBs prey on him.
Missed Tackles 10th most in passing, 18th most in rushing.

He is 5th in pass Rush for S.
4th in sacks for S.

Before you go calling the majority of the board ridiculous you know what you are talking about.

He is only valuable in a 3 S set. Otherwise he is a liability in coverage and open field tackling. He is a mediocre Safety at best but getting paid very well.

Jenkins cant hold Vaccaro's jock and actually trails Harper on some stats.

I would have benched him on that BS puzzy-azz tackle attempt in the Tampa Bay game Sunday when he got hurdled and didn't know until he hit the ground.

I've said it once and I'll say it again: Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere.

TheOak · 12-31-2013, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDatFan26

I've said it once and I'll say it again: Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere.

So when logic fails you, authority comes next? LOL you better eat your Wheaties if your going to come all hard.

If you want our defense to get better we need someone that doesn't miss as many tackles, get hurdled, and can cover. Jenkins is not getting any better so it seems you think our defense has peaked.

Here buddy.... This is YOUR guy.

"Outside of falling for a perfectly executed flea-flicker that caught them, namely safety Malcolm Jenkins, napping in the first quarter, the Saints turned in another dominating performance."
http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf...ay_lights.html

lee909 · 12-31-2013, 08:14 AM

If Harper and Jenkins are as bad as some want to make out we wouldn't have just seen the Defense jump from one of the 2 worst in the league to one of the top 5 this year.

blackangold · 12-31-2013, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by lee909

If Harper and Jenkins are as bad as some want to make out we wouldn't have just seen the Defense jump from one of the 2 worst in the league to one of the top 5 this year.

This statement makes no sense at all...

Vaccaro was the starting SS even when Harper was healthy. Bush took over for Jenkins in the 3 S sets and Jenkins usually was dropping in the box.

All that aside if you want to credit them for this year success (even though we drafted a 1st rounder to take their place) then you have to credit them for last years failure.

Danno · 12-31-2013, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

This statement makes no sense at all...

Vaccaro was the starting SS even when Harper was healthy. Bush took over for Jenkins in the 3 S sets and Jenkins usually was dropping in the box.

All that aside if you want to credit them for this year success (even though we drafted a 1st rounder to take their place) then you have to credit them for last years failure.

Vaccaro started at NB week 1 and week 2, and Harper/Jenkins were the starting safeties for both games.

http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamece...O_Gamebook.pdf
http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamece...B_Gamebook.pdf

Harper got hurt and Vaccaro took over at SS in week 3, Jenkins remained the starter at FS.

blackangold · 12-31-2013, 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Vaccaro started at NB week 1 and week 2, and Harper/Jenkins were the starting safeties for both games.

http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamece...O_Gamebook.pdf
http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamece...B_Gamebook.pdf

Harper got hurt and Vaccaro took over at SS in week 3, Jenkins remained the starter at FS.

Starts are one thing but snaps are another. Vaccaro took 100% of the snaps while Harper took 83%. You can be listed as a starter and not 'start', it's a smart way to avoid paying a rookie bonus money.

As a side note, I agree with your thoughts on ILBs. What do you think about Reddick. I love the guy and think he has a bright future with us. Wouldn't mind him replacing Lofton. Also, I always thought Humber was amazing but never got the opportunity.

jeanpierre · 01-01-2014, 07:30 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Vaccaro started at NB week 1 and week 2, and Harper/Jenkins were the starting safeties for both games.

http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamece...O_Gamebook.pdf
http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamece...B_Gamebook.pdf

Harper got hurt and Vaccaro took over at SS in week 3, Jenkins remained the starter at FS.

Saints may have turned in those lineups to smooth Harper's ego, but Vaccaro played most, if not all, the snaps over Harper...

Danno · 01-01-2014, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Saints may have turned in those lineups to smooth Harper's ego, but Vaccaro played most, if not all, the snaps over Harper...

That was the starting line-up when the ball was snapped. Its not like baseball.

Harper started at SS, and Vaccaro started at NB. Fact.

Are you just trying to make up stuff about Harper, again?

Maybe they also made Vaccaro put on a 41 jersey for a few snaps so Harper wouldn't get his feelings hurt.

lee909 · 12-31-2013, 11:02 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

This statement makes no sense at all...

Vaccaro was the starting SS even when Harper was healthy. Bush took over for Jenkins in the 3 S sets and Jenkins usually was dropping in the box.

All that aside if you want to credit them for this year success (even though we drafted a 1st rounder to take their place) then you have to credit them for last years failure.

Im not trying to say they are great players just they are better than somebon this thread have them. There seems to be a lack of middle ground in opinion on them. The are decent players who have helped the defense jump to a top 10 defense . Could they be improved on yes, but the majority of players in most teams xan be improved on.

12-31-2013, 08:13 AM	#1
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,050	Re: This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere Originally Posted by WhoDatFan26 In 2013, his stats were: 68 tackles, 2.5 sacks and 2 interceptions. Plus as I've stated many times he is adept at covering both Tight Ends and Wide Outs. Please stop with the ridiculous notion that he will either be released or traded. What would you call more ridiculous? 1. You wanting the notion of trading a player that is not trade-able to stop? 2. You wanting the notion of releasing a player that is not releasable to stop? 3. Wanting to keep the 61sh ranked tackler but the 14th highest Cap hit Safety? Of NFL Safeties His tackling efficiency ranks 138th in the NFL. Allowed TDs in his coverage 20th in the NFL. Yards after the catch allowed 8th in the NFL. Receptions allowed in his coverage 7th in the NFL. Coverage targeted in the NFL 10th. <---QBs prey on him. Missed Tackles 10th most in passing, 18th most in rushing. He is 5th in pass Rush for S. 4th in sacks for S. Before you go calling the majority of the board ridiculous you know what you are talking about. He is only valuable in a 3 S set. Otherwise he is a liability in coverage and open field tackling. He is a mediocre Safety at best but getting paid very well. Jenkins cant hold Vaccaro's jock and actually trails Harper on some stats. I would have benched him on that BS puzzy-azz tackle attempt in the Tampa Bay game Sunday when he got hurdled and didn't know until he hit the ground.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

12-31-2013, 04:04 PM	#2
WhoDatFan26 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 365	Re: This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere Originally Posted by TheOak What would you call more ridiculous? 1. You wanting the notion of trading a player that is not trade-able to stop? 2. You wanting the notion of releasing a player that is not releasable to stop? 3. Wanting to keep the 61sh ranked tackler but the 14th highest Cap hit Safety? Of NFL Safeties His tackling efficiency ranks 138th in the NFL. Allowed TDs in his coverage 20th in the NFL. Yards after the catch allowed 8th in the NFL. Receptions allowed in his coverage 7th in the NFL. Coverage targeted in the NFL 10th. <---QBs prey on him. Missed Tackles 10th most in passing, 18th most in rushing. He is 5th in pass Rush for S. 4th in sacks for S. Before you go calling the majority of the board ridiculous you know what you are talking about. He is only valuable in a 3 S set. Otherwise he is a liability in coverage and open field tackling. He is a mediocre Safety at best but getting paid very well. Jenkins cant hold Vaccaro's jock and actually trails Harper on some stats. I would have benched him on that BS puzzy-azz tackle attempt in the Tampa Bay game Sunday when he got hurdled and didn't know until he hit the ground. I've said it once and I'll say it again: Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere.
WhoDatFan26 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 365

12-31-2013, 04:20 PM	#3
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,050	Re: This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere Originally Posted by WhoDatFan26 I've said it once and I'll say it again: Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere. So when logic fails you, authority comes next? LOL you better eat your Wheaties if your going to come all hard. If you want our defense to get better we need someone that doesn't miss as many tackles, get hurdled, and can cover. Jenkins is not getting any better so it seems you think our defense has peaked. Here buddy.... This is YOUR guy. "Outside of falling for a perfectly executed flea-flicker that caught them, namely safety Malcolm Jenkins, napping in the first quarter, the Saints turned in another dominating performance." http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf...ay_lights.html
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

12-31-2013, 08:14 AM	#4
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,875 Blog Entries: 1	Re: This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere If Harper and Jenkins are as bad as some want to make out we wouldn't have just seen the Defense jump from one of the 2 worst in the league to one of the top 5 this year.

12-31-2013, 02:22 PM	#5
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere Originally Posted by lee909 If Harper and Jenkins are as bad as some want to make out we wouldn't have just seen the Defense jump from one of the 2 worst in the league to one of the top 5 this year. This statement makes no sense at all... Vaccaro was the starting SS even when Harper was healthy. Bush took over for Jenkins in the 3 S sets and Jenkins usually was dropping in the box. All that aside if you want to credit them for this year success (even though we drafted a 1st rounder to take their place) then you have to credit them for last years failure.

12-31-2013, 02:30 PM	#6
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere Originally Posted by blackangold This statement makes no sense at all... Vaccaro was the starting SS even when Harper was healthy. Bush took over for Jenkins in the 3 S sets and Jenkins usually was dropping in the box. All that aside if you want to credit them for this year success (even though we drafted a 1st rounder to take their place) then you have to credit them for last years failure. Vaccaro started at NB week 1 and week 2, and Harper/Jenkins were the starting safeties for both games. http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamece...O_Gamebook.pdf http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamece...B_Gamebook.pdf Harper got hurt and Vaccaro took over at SS in week 3, Jenkins remained the starter at FS. TheOak likes this.

12-31-2013, 06:57 PM	#7
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere Originally Posted by Danno Vaccaro started at NB week 1 and week 2, and Harper/Jenkins were the starting safeties for both games. http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamece...O_Gamebook.pdf http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamece...B_Gamebook.pdf Harper got hurt and Vaccaro took over at SS in week 3, Jenkins remained the starter at FS. Starts are one thing but snaps are another. Vaccaro took 100% of the snaps while Harper took 83%. You can be listed as a starter and not 'start', it's a smart way to avoid paying a rookie bonus money. As a side note, I agree with your thoughts on ILBs. What do you think about Reddick. I love the guy and think he has a bright future with us. Wouldn't mind him replacing Lofton. Also, I always thought Humber was amazing but never got the opportunity.

01-01-2014, 07:30 AM	#8
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere Originally Posted by Danno Vaccaro started at NB week 1 and week 2, and Harper/Jenkins were the starting safeties for both games. http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamece...O_Gamebook.pdf http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamece...B_Gamebook.pdf Harper got hurt and Vaccaro took over at SS in week 3, Jenkins remained the starter at FS. Saints may have turned in those lineups to smooth Harper's ego, but Vaccaro played most, if not all, the snaps over Harper... blackangold likes this.

01-01-2014, 10:40 AM	#9
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere Originally Posted by jeanpierre Saints may have turned in those lineups to smooth Harper's ego, but Vaccaro played most, if not all, the snaps over Harper... That was the starting line-up when the ball was snapped. Its not like baseball. Harper started at SS, and Vaccaro started at NB. Fact. Are you just trying to make up stuff about Harper, again? Maybe they also made Vaccaro put on a 41 jersey for a few snaps so Harper wouldn't get his feelings hurt. \|Mitch\| likes this.

12-31-2013, 11:02 PM	#10
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,875 Blog Entries: 1	Re: This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere Originally Posted by blackangold This statement makes no sense at all... Vaccaro was the starting SS even when Harper was healthy. Bush took over for Jenkins in the 3 S sets and Jenkins usually was dropping in the box. All that aside if you want to credit them for this year success (even though we drafted a 1st rounder to take their place) then you have to credit them for last years failure. Im not trying to say they are great players just they are better than somebon this thread have them. There seems to be a lack of middle ground in opinion on them. The are decent players who have helped the defense jump to a top 10 defense . Could they be improved on yes, but the majority of players in most teams xan be improved on. Utah_Saint likes this.

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