This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere

halloween 65 · 12-30-2013, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDatFan26

In 2013, his stats were:
68 tackles, 2.5 sacks and 2 interceptions. Plus as I've stated many times he is adept at covering both Tight Ends and Wide Outs. Please stop with the ridiculous notion that he will either be released or traded.

There are a few things you left out like constantly taking bad angles, piss poor tackling, constantly misjudging the ball in the air, having to try to chase people down after he has blown his assignment, and really does not cover that well at all. Jenkins and his stats says nothing of his field ability which he has very, very little. Being a 1st round #14 pick he was a bad pick, not quite a bust but real, real close!!

blackangold · 12-30-2013, 08:22 PM

Jenkins and Harper are awful safeties...

Don't take my word for it though you can look at this tidbit if you'd like.

" S: Of 88 graded safeties, Roman Harper came in 87th and Malcom Jenkins came in 88th. No joke. Isa Abdul-Quddus came in a middle of the pack 40th. In coverage, Harper was dead last and Jenkins was 4th worst. Against the run, IAQ was 5th worst and Jenkins was 6th worst. Roman Harper gave up 46 receptions, no other safety gave up for than 41. Basically the play on the back end was possibly the worst ever"

Saints Nation: Pro Football Focus Scores For Saints Players in 2012 (Defense & Special Teams)

PFF is widely accepted and a trusted source. They should both be gone next season regardless of dead money involved.

Vaccaro> Harper
Bush> Jenkins

It's not even close.

The Dude · 12-30-2013, 08:24 PM

This game could be a make or break for him depending on how well he does against McCoy if it comes to him.

ChrisXVI · 12-30-2013, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

Being a 1st round #14 pick he was a bad pick, not quite a bust but real, real close!!

I'll go ahead and say that he absolutely was a bust. For being the #14 pick he didn't justify it one bit. A handful of nice plays in 5 years doesn't cut it.

RaginCajun83 · 12-30-2013, 08:27 PM

Would rather see Vaccaro and Bush then Harper and Jenkins, I'm sick and tired of seeing horrible safeties play for the Saints

saintsfan1976 · 12-30-2013, 08:27 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Jenkins is currently the 14th highest paid safety in the NFL.

Harper is currently the 19th highest paid safety in the NFL, but comes with 3.7million dead money.

Cutting Harper frees up only 2.2 million, and you have to replace him.

So basically keeping Harper in 2014 is the equivalent of signing a 2 million safety on the team, which is basically glorified back-up money for a starting safety.

I doubt you can sign a better SS for 2 million than what we already have in Harper.

Harper's already restructured his contract and seems to remain a coach favorite. Vacarro is the future for Ryan's D and will cash in later.
Agree we won't find a cheaper option unless drafted, no?

jeanpierre · 12-30-2013, 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Harper's already restructured his contract and seems to remain a coach favorite. Vacarro is the future for Ryan's D and will cash in later.
Agree we won't find a cheaper option unless drafted, no?

We'll have to draft a safety regardless, and that's why I like Washington St Deonne Bucannon as a complement to Kenny Vaccaro...

That'll keep us from committing money to two bad contracts/defensive backs who can't perform their primary function - coverage...

RaginCajun83 · 12-30-2013, 08:38 PM

When did Harper become a coach favorite? He's out there because Vaccaro is on IR

saintsfan1976 · 12-30-2013, 08:39 PM

Originally Posted by RaginCajun83

When did Harper become a coach favorite? He's out there because Vaccaro is on IR

Well, he was resigned.

halloween 65 · 12-30-2013, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

I'll go ahead and say that he absolutely was a bust. For being the #14 pick he didn't justify it one bit. A handful of nice plays in 5 years doesn't cut it.

I was just trying to be nice!!

12-30-2013, 08:09 PM	#11
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere Originally Posted by WhoDatFan26 In 2013, his stats were: 68 tackles, 2.5 sacks and 2 interceptions. Plus as I've stated many times he is adept at covering both Tight Ends and Wide Outs. Please stop with the ridiculous notion that he will either be released or traded. There are a few things you left out like constantly taking bad angles, piss poor tackling, constantly misjudging the ball in the air, having to try to chase people down after he has blown his assignment, and really does not cover that well at all. Jenkins and his stats says nothing of his field ability which he has very, very little. Being a 1st round #14 pick he was a bad pick, not quite a bust but real, real close!!

12-30-2013, 08:22 PM	#12
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere Jenkins and Harper are awful safeties... Don't take my word for it though you can look at this tidbit if you'd like. " S: Of 88 graded safeties, Roman Harper came in 87th and Malcom Jenkins came in 88th. No joke. Isa Abdul-Quddus came in a middle of the pack 40th. In coverage, Harper was dead last and Jenkins was 4th worst. Against the run, IAQ was 5th worst and Jenkins was 6th worst. Roman Harper gave up 46 receptions, no other safety gave up for than 41. Basically the play on the back end was possibly the worst ever" Saints Nation: Pro Football Focus Scores For Saints Players in 2012 (Defense & Special Teams) PFF is widely accepted and a trusted source. They should both be gone next season regardless of dead money involved. Vaccaro> Harper Bush> Jenkins It's not even close. foreverfan, saintsfan1976, jeanpierre and 1 others like this.

12-30-2013, 08:24 PM	#13
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12-30-2013, 08:27 PM	#15
RaginCajun83 Hou Saints Fan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,050	Re: This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere Would rather see Vaccaro and Bush then Harper and Jenkins, I'm sick and tired of seeing horrible safeties play for the Saints foreverfan and ChrisXVI like this.

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saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,832 Blog Entries: 3	Re: This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere Originally Posted by Danno Jenkins is currently the 14th highest paid safety in the NFL. Harper is currently the 19th highest paid safety in the NFL, but comes with 3.7million dead money. Cutting Harper frees up only 2.2 million, and you have to replace him. So basically keeping Harper in 2014 is the equivalent of signing a 2 million safety on the team, which is basically glorified back-up money for a starting safety. I doubt you can sign a better SS for 2 million than what we already have in Harper. Harper's already restructured his contract and seems to remain a coach favorite. Vacarro is the future for Ryan's D and will cash in later. Agree we won't find a cheaper option unless drafted, no?

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12-30-2013, 08:25 PM	#14
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere Originally Posted by halloween 65 Being a 1st round #14 pick he was a bad pick, not quite a bust but real, real close!! I'll go ahead and say that he absolutely was a bust. For being the #14 pick he didn't justify it one bit. A handful of nice plays in 5 years doesn't cut it. halloween 65 likes this.

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Harper's already restructured his contract and seems to remain a coach favorite. Vacarro is the future for Ryan's D and will cash in later. Agree we won't find a cheaper option unless drafted, no? We'll have to draft a safety regardless, and that's why I like Washington St Deonne Bucannon as a complement to Kenny Vaccaro... That'll keep us from committing money to two bad contracts/defensive backs who can't perform their primary function - coverage... ChrisXVI likes this.
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12-30-2013, 08:38 PM	#18
RaginCajun83 Hou Saints Fan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,050	Re: This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere When did Harper become a coach favorite? He's out there because Vaccaro is on IR jeanpierre and K Major like this.

12-30-2013, 08:39 PM	#19
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,832 Blog Entries: 3	Re: This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere Originally Posted by RaginCajun83 When did Harper become a coach favorite? He's out there because Vaccaro is on IR Well, he was resigned.

12-30-2013, 08:41 PM	#20
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere Originally Posted by ChrisXVI I'll go ahead and say that he absolutely was a bust. For being the #14 pick he didn't justify it one bit. A handful of nice plays in 5 years doesn't cut it. I was just trying to be nice!!

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