This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere

WhoDatFan26 · 12-31-2013, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

What would you call more ridiculous?

1. You wanting the notion of trading a player that is not trade-able to stop?
2. You wanting the notion of releasing a player that is not releasable to stop?
3. Wanting to keep the 61sh ranked tackler but the 14th highest Cap hit Safety?

Of NFL Safeties
His tackling efficiency ranks 138th in the NFL.
Allowed TDs in his coverage 20th in the NFL.
Yards after the catch allowed 8th in the NFL.
Receptions allowed in his coverage 7th in the NFL.
Coverage targeted in the NFL 10th. <---QBs prey on him.
Missed Tackles 10th most in passing, 18th most in rushing.

He is 5th in pass Rush for S.
4th in sacks for S.

Before you go calling the majority of the board ridiculous you know what you are talking about.

He is only valuable in a 3 S set. Otherwise he is a liability in coverage and open field tackling. He is a mediocre Safety at best but getting paid very well.

Jenkins cant hold Vaccaro's jock and actually trails Harper on some stats.

I would have benched him on that BS puzzy-azz tackle attempt in the Tampa Bay game Sunday when he got hurdled and didn't know until he hit the ground.

I've said it once and I'll say it again: Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere.

TheOak · 12-31-2013, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDatFan26

I've said it once and I'll say it again: Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere.

So when logic fails you, authority comes next? LOL you better eat your Wheaties if your going to come all hard.

If you want our defense to get better we need someone that doesn't miss as many tackles, get hurdled, and can cover. Jenkins is not getting any better so it seems you think our defense has peaked.

Here buddy.... This is YOUR guy.

"Outside of falling for a perfectly executed flea-flicker that caught them, namely safety Malcolm Jenkins, napping in the first quarter, the Saints turned in another dominating performance."
http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf...ay_lights.html

lumm0x · 12-31-2013, 05:54 PM

There are stats you can massage to make any argument. What never fails is the eye ball test. Harper can't cover anything. He is stout vs. the run and a decent blitzer, but he has poor make up speed and gets caught up in traffic when trying to hang with people. Jenkins has very poor instincts in reading plays and when the ball is in the air. He bites on nearly every pump fake, takes poor angles, and while he doesn't usually allow receivers to separate from him he seldom succeeds in challenging on the ball. Tackling is another suspect area. Too many times he throws his body and makes no effort to wrap.

I would not be disappointed to see neither player back. But with Vaccaro suffering the injury both very well may be.

My bottom line point - our new found pass rush is making our entire secondary aside from Keenan Lewis better than it is.

Schmohams · 12-31-2013, 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by lumm0x

I would not be disappointed to see neither player back. But with Vaccaro suffering the injury both very well may be.

Vaccaro broke his ankle, he will be ready to play most likely before training camp.

Danno · 12-31-2013, 06:37 PM

Originally Posted by Schmohams

Vaccaro broke his ankle, he will be ready to play most likely before training camp.

And its an injury that typically has a 100% recovery factor.

ChrisXVI · 12-31-2013, 06:58 PM

Watching Malcolm Jenkins I'm usually more impressed that he got that grotesque frat branding on his arm than his actual on-field performance.

blackangold · 12-31-2013, 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by lumm0x

There are stats you can massage to make any argument. What never fails is the eye ball test. Harper can't cover anything. He is stout vs. the run and a decent blitzer, but he has poor make up speed and gets caught up in traffic when trying to hang with people. Jenkins has very poor instincts in reading plays and when the ball is in the air. He bites on nearly every pump fake, takes poor angles, and while he doesn't usually allow receivers to separate from him he seldom succeeds in challenging on the ball. Tackling is another suspect area. Too many times he throws his body and makes no effort to wrap.

I would not be disappointed to see neither player back. But with Vaccaro suffering the injury both very well may be.

My bottom line point - our new found pass rush is making our entire secondary aside from Keenan Lewis better than it is.

Agree with all of this, however I like Bush and White as future stars in our secondary. Having a good pass rush helps every aspect of defense.

blackangold · 12-31-2013, 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Vaccaro started at NB week 1 and week 2, and Harper/Jenkins were the starting safeties for both games.

http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamece...O_Gamebook.pdf
http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamece...B_Gamebook.pdf

Harper got hurt and Vaccaro took over at SS in week 3, Jenkins remained the starter at FS.

Starts are one thing but snaps are another. Vaccaro took 100% of the snaps while Harper took 83%. You can be listed as a starter and not 'start', it's a smart way to avoid paying a rookie bonus money.

As a side note, I agree with your thoughts on ILBs. What do you think about Reddick. I love the guy and think he has a bright future with us. Wouldn't mind him replacing Lofton. Also, I always thought Humber was amazing but never got the opportunity.

CharityMike · 12-31-2013, 10:00 PM

Nice TROLL post OP. Worked as intended.

lee909 · 01-01-2014, 12:02 AM

Originally Posted by blackangold

This statement makes no sense at all...

Vaccaro was the starting SS even when Harper was healthy. Bush took over for Jenkins in the 3 S sets and Jenkins usually was dropping in the box.

All that aside if you want to credit them for this year success (even though we drafted a 1st rounder to take their place) then you have to credit them for last years failure.

Im not trying to say they are great players just they are better than somebon this thread have them. There seems to be a lack of middle ground in opinion on them. The are decent players who have helped the defense jump to a top 10 defense . Could they be improved on yes, but the majority of players in most teams xan be improved on.

12-31-2013, 05:04 PM	#51
WhoDatFan26 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 365	Re: This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere Originally Posted by TheOak What would you call more ridiculous? 1. You wanting the notion of trading a player that is not trade-able to stop? 2. You wanting the notion of releasing a player that is not releasable to stop? 3. Wanting to keep the 61sh ranked tackler but the 14th highest Cap hit Safety? Of NFL Safeties His tackling efficiency ranks 138th in the NFL. Allowed TDs in his coverage 20th in the NFL. Yards after the catch allowed 8th in the NFL. Receptions allowed in his coverage 7th in the NFL. Coverage targeted in the NFL 10th. <---QBs prey on him. Missed Tackles 10th most in passing, 18th most in rushing. He is 5th in pass Rush for S. 4th in sacks for S. Before you go calling the majority of the board ridiculous you know what you are talking about. He is only valuable in a 3 S set. Otherwise he is a liability in coverage and open field tackling. He is a mediocre Safety at best but getting paid very well. Jenkins cant hold Vaccaro's jock and actually trails Harper on some stats. I would have benched him on that BS puzzy-azz tackle attempt in the Tampa Bay game Sunday when he got hurdled and didn't know until he hit the ground. I've said it once and I'll say it again: Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere.
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12-31-2013, 05:20 PM	#52
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere Originally Posted by WhoDatFan26 I've said it once and I'll say it again: Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere. So when logic fails you, authority comes next? LOL you better eat your Wheaties if your going to come all hard. If you want our defense to get better we need someone that doesn't miss as many tackles, get hurdled, and can cover. Jenkins is not getting any better so it seems you think our defense has peaked. Here buddy.... This is YOUR guy. "Outside of falling for a perfectly executed flea-flicker that caught them, namely safety Malcolm Jenkins, napping in the first quarter, the Saints turned in another dominating performance." http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf...ay_lights.html
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

12-31-2013, 05:54 PM	#53
lumm0x Resident antediluvian Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,026	Re: This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere There are stats you can massage to make any argument. What never fails is the eye ball test. Harper can't cover anything. He is stout vs. the run and a decent blitzer, but he has poor make up speed and gets caught up in traffic when trying to hang with people. Jenkins has very poor instincts in reading plays and when the ball is in the air. He bites on nearly every pump fake, takes poor angles, and while he doesn't usually allow receivers to separate from him he seldom succeeds in challenging on the ball. Tackling is another suspect area. Too many times he throws his body and makes no effort to wrap. I would not be disappointed to see neither player back. But with Vaccaro suffering the injury both very well may be. My bottom line point - our new found pass rush is making our entire secondary aside from Keenan Lewis better than it is. blackangold likes this.

12-31-2013, 06:35 PM	#54
Schmohams 500th Post Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Texas Posts: 551	Re: This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere Originally Posted by lumm0x I would not be disappointed to see neither player back. But with Vaccaro suffering the injury both very well may be. Vaccaro broke his ankle, he will be ready to play most likely before training camp.

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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Re: This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere Originally Posted by Schmohams Vaccaro broke his ankle, he will be ready to play most likely before training camp. And its an injury that typically has a 100% recovery factor.

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12-31-2013, 06:58 PM	#56
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere Watching Malcolm Jenkins I'm usually more impressed that he got that grotesque frat branding on his arm than his actual on-field performance. 73Saint and Schmohams like this.

12-31-2013, 07:53 PM	#57
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere Originally Posted by lumm0x There are stats you can massage to make any argument. What never fails is the eye ball test. Harper can't cover anything. He is stout vs. the run and a decent blitzer, but he has poor make up speed and gets caught up in traffic when trying to hang with people. Jenkins has very poor instincts in reading plays and when the ball is in the air. He bites on nearly every pump fake, takes poor angles, and while he doesn't usually allow receivers to separate from him he seldom succeeds in challenging on the ball. Tackling is another suspect area. Too many times he throws his body and makes no effort to wrap. I would not be disappointed to see neither player back. But with Vaccaro suffering the injury both very well may be. My bottom line point - our new found pass rush is making our entire secondary aside from Keenan Lewis better than it is. Agree with all of this, however I like Bush and White as future stars in our secondary. Having a good pass rush helps every aspect of defense. jeanpierre likes this.

12-31-2013, 07:57 PM	#58
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere Originally Posted by Danno Vaccaro started at NB week 1 and week 2, and Harper/Jenkins were the starting safeties for both games. http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamece...O_Gamebook.pdf http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamece...B_Gamebook.pdf Harper got hurt and Vaccaro took over at SS in week 3, Jenkins remained the starter at FS. Starts are one thing but snaps are another. Vaccaro took 100% of the snaps while Harper took 83%. You can be listed as a starter and not 'start', it's a smart way to avoid paying a rookie bonus money. As a side note, I agree with your thoughts on ILBs. What do you think about Reddick. I love the guy and think he has a bright future with us. Wouldn't mind him replacing Lofton. Also, I always thought Humber was amazing but never got the opportunity.

12-31-2013, 10:00 PM	#59
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Re: This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere Nice TROLL post OP. Worked as intended.

01-01-2014, 12:02 AM	#60
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,809 Blog Entries: 1	Re: This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere Originally Posted by blackangold This statement makes no sense at all... Vaccaro was the starting SS even when Harper was healthy. Bush took over for Jenkins in the 3 S sets and Jenkins usually was dropping in the box. All that aside if you want to credit them for this year success (even though we drafted a 1st rounder to take their place) then you have to credit them for last years failure. Im not trying to say they are great players just they are better than somebon this thread have them. There seems to be a lack of middle ground in opinion on them. The are decent players who have helped the defense jump to a top 10 defense . Could they be improved on yes, but the majority of players in most teams xan be improved on. Utah_Saint likes this.

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