This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere

blackangold · 12-31-2013, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by lee909

If Harper and Jenkins are as bad as some want to make out we wouldn't have just seen the Defense jump from one of the 2 worst in the league to one of the top 5 this year.

This statement makes no sense at all...

Vaccaro was the starting SS even when Harper was healthy. Bush took over for Jenkins in the 3 S sets and Jenkins usually was dropping in the box.

All that aside if you want to credit them for this year success (even though we drafted a 1st rounder to take their place) then you have to credit them for last years failure.

Danno · 12-31-2013, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

This statement makes no sense at all...

Vaccaro was the starting SS even when Harper was healthy. Bush took over for Jenkins in the 3 S sets and Jenkins usually was dropping in the box.

All that aside if you want to credit them for this year success (even though we drafted a 1st rounder to take their place) then you have to credit them for last years failure.

Vaccaro started at NB week 1 and week 2, and Harper/Jenkins were the starting safeties for both games.

http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamece...O_Gamebook.pdf
http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamece...B_Gamebook.pdf

Harper got hurt and Vaccaro took over at SS in week 3, Jenkins remained the starter at FS.

blackangold · 12-31-2013, 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Vaccaro started at NB week 1 and week 2, and Harper/Jenkins were the starting safeties for both games.

http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamece...O_Gamebook.pdf
http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamece...B_Gamebook.pdf

Harper got hurt and Vaccaro took over at SS in week 3, Jenkins remained the starter at FS.

Starts are one thing but snaps are another. Vaccaro took 100% of the snaps while Harper took 83%. You can be listed as a starter and not 'start', it's a smart way to avoid paying a rookie bonus money.

As a side note, I agree with your thoughts on ILBs. What do you think about Reddick. I love the guy and think he has a bright future with us. Wouldn't mind him replacing Lofton. Also, I always thought Humber was amazing but never got the opportunity.

jeanpierre · 01-01-2014, 07:30 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Vaccaro started at NB week 1 and week 2, and Harper/Jenkins were the starting safeties for both games.

http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamece...O_Gamebook.pdf
http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamece...B_Gamebook.pdf

Harper got hurt and Vaccaro took over at SS in week 3, Jenkins remained the starter at FS.

Saints may have turned in those lineups to smooth Harper's ego, but Vaccaro played most, if not all, the snaps over Harper...

Danno · 01-01-2014, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Saints may have turned in those lineups to smooth Harper's ego, but Vaccaro played most, if not all, the snaps over Harper...

That was the starting line-up when the ball was snapped. Its not like baseball.

Harper started at SS, and Vaccaro started at NB. Fact.

Are you just trying to make up stuff about Harper, again?

Maybe they also made Vaccaro put on a 41 jersey for a few snaps so Harper wouldn't get his feelings hurt.

blackangold · 01-01-2014, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

That was the starting line-up when the ball was snapped. Its not like baseball.

Harper started at SS, and Vaccaro started at NB. Fact.

Are you just trying to make up stuff about Harper, again?

Maybe they also made Vaccaro put on a 41 jersey for a few snaps so Harper wouldn't get his feelings hurt.

Week 1

Harper had 88% of the snaps
Vaccaro had 100%

Week 2

Harper had 69%
Vaccaro had 100%

For the 2013 season:

Harper had 34%
Vaccaro had 87%

Facts....hmmm

FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | 2013 NFL SNAP COUNTS

Danno · 01-01-2014, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Week 1

Harper had 88% of the snaps
Vaccaro had 100%

Week 2

Harper had 69%
Vaccaro had 100%

For the 2013 season:

Harper had 34%
Vaccaro had 87%

Facts....hmmm

FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | 2013 NFL SNAP COUNTS

Not sure what you're getting at. I simply corrected that statement that Harper wasn't the starter at the beginning of the season at SS. Harper did start at SS, and Vaccaro started at NB.
Facts.

|Mitch| · 01-01-2014, 01:37 PM

I'm just glad none of y'all have a say on actual roster moves

lee909 · 12-31-2013, 11:02 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

This statement makes no sense at all...

Vaccaro was the starting SS even when Harper was healthy. Bush took over for Jenkins in the 3 S sets and Jenkins usually was dropping in the box.

All that aside if you want to credit them for this year success (even though we drafted a 1st rounder to take their place) then you have to credit them for last years failure.

Im not trying to say they are great players just they are better than somebon this thread have them. There seems to be a lack of middle ground in opinion on them. The are decent players who have helped the defense jump to a top 10 defense . Could they be improved on yes, but the majority of players in most teams xan be improved on.

12-31-2013, 02:22 PM	#1
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere Originally Posted by lee909 If Harper and Jenkins are as bad as some want to make out we wouldn't have just seen the Defense jump from one of the 2 worst in the league to one of the top 5 this year. This statement makes no sense at all... Vaccaro was the starting SS even when Harper was healthy. Bush took over for Jenkins in the 3 S sets and Jenkins usually was dropping in the box. All that aside if you want to credit them for this year success (even though we drafted a 1st rounder to take their place) then you have to credit them for last years failure.

12-31-2013, 02:30 PM	#2
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere Originally Posted by blackangold This statement makes no sense at all... Vaccaro was the starting SS even when Harper was healthy. Bush took over for Jenkins in the 3 S sets and Jenkins usually was dropping in the box. All that aside if you want to credit them for this year success (even though we drafted a 1st rounder to take their place) then you have to credit them for last years failure. Vaccaro started at NB week 1 and week 2, and Harper/Jenkins were the starting safeties for both games. http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamece...O_Gamebook.pdf http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamece...B_Gamebook.pdf Harper got hurt and Vaccaro took over at SS in week 3, Jenkins remained the starter at FS. TheOak likes this.

12-31-2013, 06:57 PM	#3
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere Originally Posted by Danno Vaccaro started at NB week 1 and week 2, and Harper/Jenkins were the starting safeties for both games. http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamece...O_Gamebook.pdf http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamece...B_Gamebook.pdf Harper got hurt and Vaccaro took over at SS in week 3, Jenkins remained the starter at FS. Starts are one thing but snaps are another. Vaccaro took 100% of the snaps while Harper took 83%. You can be listed as a starter and not 'start', it's a smart way to avoid paying a rookie bonus money. As a side note, I agree with your thoughts on ILBs. What do you think about Reddick. I love the guy and think he has a bright future with us. Wouldn't mind him replacing Lofton. Also, I always thought Humber was amazing but never got the opportunity.

01-01-2014, 07:30 AM	#4
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere Originally Posted by Danno Vaccaro started at NB week 1 and week 2, and Harper/Jenkins were the starting safeties for both games. http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamece...O_Gamebook.pdf http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamece...B_Gamebook.pdf Harper got hurt and Vaccaro took over at SS in week 3, Jenkins remained the starter at FS. Saints may have turned in those lineups to smooth Harper's ego, but Vaccaro played most, if not all, the snaps over Harper... blackangold likes this.

01-01-2014, 10:40 AM	#5
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere Originally Posted by jeanpierre Saints may have turned in those lineups to smooth Harper's ego, but Vaccaro played most, if not all, the snaps over Harper... That was the starting line-up when the ball was snapped. Its not like baseball. Harper started at SS, and Vaccaro started at NB. Fact. Are you just trying to make up stuff about Harper, again? Maybe they also made Vaccaro put on a 41 jersey for a few snaps so Harper wouldn't get his feelings hurt. \|Mitch\| likes this.

01-01-2014, 01:22 PM	#6
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere Originally Posted by Danno That was the starting line-up when the ball was snapped. Its not like baseball. Harper started at SS, and Vaccaro started at NB. Fact. Are you just trying to make up stuff about Harper, again? Maybe they also made Vaccaro put on a 41 jersey for a few snaps so Harper wouldn't get his feelings hurt. Week 1 Harper had 88% of the snaps Vaccaro had 100% Week 2 Harper had 69% Vaccaro had 100% For the 2013 season: Harper had 34% Vaccaro had 87% Facts....hmmm FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis \| 2013 NFL SNAP COUNTS

01-01-2014, 01:35 PM	#7
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere Originally Posted by blackangold Week 1 Harper had 88% of the snaps Vaccaro had 100% Week 2 Harper had 69% Vaccaro had 100% For the 2013 season: Harper had 34% Vaccaro had 87% Facts....hmmm FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis \| 2013 NFL SNAP COUNTS Not sure what you're getting at. I simply corrected that statement that Harper wasn't the starter at the beginning of the season at SS. Harper did start at SS, and Vaccaro started at NB. Facts.

01-01-2014, 01:37 PM	#8
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere I'm just glad none of y'all have a say on actual roster moves

12-31-2013, 11:02 PM	#9
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,875 Blog Entries: 1	Re: This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere Originally Posted by blackangold This statement makes no sense at all... Vaccaro was the starting SS even when Harper was healthy. Bush took over for Jenkins in the 3 S sets and Jenkins usually was dropping in the box. All that aside if you want to credit them for this year success (even though we drafted a 1st rounder to take their place) then you have to credit them for last years failure. Im not trying to say they are great players just they are better than somebon this thread have them. There seems to be a lack of middle ground in opinion on them. The are decent players who have helped the defense jump to a top 10 defense . Could they be improved on yes, but the majority of players in most teams xan be improved on. Utah_Saint likes this.

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