Who to cut (cap hits included)

dueceloose · 01-24-2014, 05:55 PM

Why is everyone so eager to let pt go? Hes vital to our screen game. Did anyone see how ineffective we were trying screens without him? Plus we let him and sproles go we would need to replace both with draft picks or udfan. Unless we want to experience NFC championship at sf again.

Vrillon82 · 01-24-2014, 05:56 PM

I think PT or Sproles leaves us.

I think PT is just not like he use to be, Sproles...........never seen much from him this season either.

Harper and Smith would be no loss either.

Showtime5 · 01-24-2014, 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

So we're about 14 over and we'll need at least 8 million for Graham, so who do you cut?

I know Loomis will likely restructure several players but this kinda gives yo a good indicator who may be asked to restructure or clean out their locker..

Approximated cap savings if cut (hopefully some restructure)...

Cap hit minus dead money = Cap savings if cut
Will Smith - 13,902,451 - 2,352,451 = 11,550,000
Darren Sproles - 4,250,000 - 750,000 = 3,500,000
Jabari Greer - 5,825,000 – 2,650,000 = 3,175,000
Pierre Thomas – 2,900,000 – 0 = 2,900,000
Lance Moore - 5,068,750 - 2,357,500 = 2,711,250
Roman Harper - 5,870,000 - 3,690,000 = 2,180,000
Mark Ingram - 2,359,875 - 973,500 = 1,386,375
Patrick Robinson - 2,804,333 - 1,446,833 = 1,357,500

Are you really serious with the Mark Ingram thing? Why in the hell would the Saints let him go when he showed towards the end of the year how good he can be? Like that would be so stupid. They let him go , then he going to go star somewhere else !!! Did you not see how good him and Khiry are together sharing carries. Yes he did fumble once, but name another tine he fumbled that you can just think of off your head?!! I can see PT getting cut or traded, and maybe even Sprolex if the Saints plan on drafting a player like De'Anthiony Thomas to replace him

Danno · 01-24-2014, 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by Showtime5

Are you really serious with the Mark Ingram thing? Why in the hell would the Saints let him go when he showed towards the end of the year how good he can be? Like that would be so stupid. They let him go , then he going to go star somewhere else !!! Did you not see how good him and Khiry are together sharing carries. Yes he did fumble once, but name another tine he fumbled that you can just think of off your head?!! I can see PT getting cut or traded, and maybe even Sprolex if the Saints plan on drafting a player like De'Anthiony Thomas to replace him

Read and comprehend posts better. You're failing badly.

Showtime5 · 01-24-2014, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Read and comprehend posts better. You're failing badly.

You are failing bad at trying to be a Saints fan

halloween 65 · 01-24-2014, 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

So we're about 14 over and we'll need at least 8 million for Graham, so who do you cut?

I know Loomis will likely restructure several players but this kinda gives yo a good indicator who may be asked to restructure or clean out their locker..

Approximated cap savings if cut (hopefully some restructure)...

Cap hit minus dead money = Cap savings if cut
Will Smith - 13,902,451 - 2,352,451 = 11,550,000
Darren Sproles - 4,250,000 - 750,000 = 3,500,000
Jabari Greer - 5,825,000 – 2,650,000 = 3,175,000
Pierre Thomas – 2,900,000 – 0 = 2,900,000
Lance Moore - 5,068,750 - 2,357,500 = 2,711,250
Roman Harper - 5,870,000 - 3,690,000 = 2,180,000
Mark Ingram - 2,359,875 - 973,500 = 1,386,375
Patrick Robinson - 2,804,333 - 1,446,833 = 1,357,500

Smith-gone
Sproles -has value-trade
Greer??? Could add depth if healthy
Thomas-keep
Moore- let go
Harper-keep- might look good in a 3-4
Ingram-could have break-out year if used right
Robinson-bring back

WHODATINCA · 01-24-2014, 08:07 PM

Cut the crap. The fact that Pierre is even in this discussion is mind-boggling. He is the best running back/ receiver we had last year. Way, way, more yards than anyone else. The cut him talk is

The Dude · 01-24-2014, 08:43 PM

Originally Posted by Showtime5

You are failing bad at trying to be a Saints fan

Like
Apparantly you only watched the Saints last two games and missed the three years prior.
Ingram has had plenty of chances and failed to deliver. Robinson is the future when it comes to a bruiser back who can get the tough short yards.
Ingrams fumble was the turning point of that game.
And what are you like 12?

The Dude · 01-24-2014, 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by WHODATINCA

Cut the crap. The fact that Pierre is even in this discussion is mind-boggling. He is the best running back/ receiver we had last year. Way, way, more yards than anyone else. The cut him talk is

I agree. He is vital when it comes to the screen and when he is out it limits our play book. We have been careful with him and used him sparingly and he has plenty left in the tank.
Odd man out is Ingram. They found a better, younger, and cheaper option in Robinson.
I dont see Sproles going anywhere either. If Cadet could do his job as well as he does then Cadet would be doing it. Sproles is a year removed from most all purpose yards and was looking to have a career year the first half of the season. I think his lack of production was because of our blocking. Our line limited every aspect of our run game.

Vrillon82 · 01-24-2014, 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by WHODATINCA

Cut the crap. The fact that Pierre is even in this discussion is mind-boggling. He is the best running back/ receiver we had last year. Way, way, more yards than anyone else. The cut him talk is

But here is the thing, no one fears PT anymore, he has not been a productive runner all season compared to Khiry or Ingram, so when the defenses see PT on the field, they pretty much know to stop the screen pass which is what has happened all season.

01-24-2014, 05:55 PM	#11
dueceloose 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 957	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Why is everyone so eager to let pt go? Hes vital to our screen game. Did anyone see how ineffective we were trying screens without him? Plus we let him and sproles go we would need to replace both with draft picks or udfan. Unless we want to experience NFC championship at sf again. foreverfan and Rugby Saint II like this.
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01-24-2014, 05:56 PM	#12
Vrillon82 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 1,127	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) I think PT or Sproles leaves us. I think PT is just not like he use to be, Sproles...........never seen much from him this season either. Harper and Smith would be no loss either.
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01-24-2014, 06:44 PM	#13
Showtime5 Registered Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 40	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by Danno So we're about 14 over and we'll need at least 8 million for Graham, so who do you cut? I know Loomis will likely restructure several players but this kinda gives yo a good indicator who may be asked to restructure or clean out their locker.. Approximated cap savings if cut (hopefully some restructure)... Cap hit minus dead money = Cap savings if cut Will Smith - 13,902,451 - 2,352,451 = 11,550,000 Darren Sproles - 4,250,000 - 750,000 = 3,500,000 Jabari Greer - 5,825,000 – 2,650,000 = 3,175,000 Pierre Thomas – 2,900,000 – 0 = 2,900,000 Lance Moore - 5,068,750 - 2,357,500 = 2,711,250 Roman Harper - 5,870,000 - 3,690,000 = 2,180,000 Mark Ingram - 2,359,875 - 973,500 = 1,386,375 Patrick Robinson - 2,804,333 - 1,446,833 = 1,357,500 Are you really serious with the Mark Ingram thing? Why in the hell would the Saints let him go when he showed towards the end of the year how good he can be? Like that would be so stupid. They let him go , then he going to go star somewhere else !!! Did you not see how good him and Khiry are together sharing carries. Yes he did fumble once, but name another tine he fumbled that you can just think of off your head?!! I can see PT getting cut or traded, and maybe even Sprolex if the Saints plan on drafting a player like De'Anthiony Thomas to replace him B_Dub_Saint likes this.
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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,646	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by Showtime5 Are you really serious with the Mark Ingram thing? Why in the hell would the Saints let him go when he showed towards the end of the year how good he can be? Like that would be so stupid. They let him go , then he going to go star somewhere else !!! Did you not see how good him and Khiry are together sharing carries. Yes he did fumble once, but name another tine he fumbled that you can just think of off your head?!! I can see PT getting cut or traded, and maybe even Sprolex if the Saints plan on drafting a player like De'Anthiony Thomas to replace him Read and comprehend posts better. You're failing badly. The Dude likes this.

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Showtime5 Registered Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 40	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by Danno Read and comprehend posts better. You're failing badly. You are failing bad at trying to be a Saints fan
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halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by Danno So we're about 14 over and we'll need at least 8 million for Graham, so who do you cut? I know Loomis will likely restructure several players but this kinda gives yo a good indicator who may be asked to restructure or clean out their locker.. Approximated cap savings if cut (hopefully some restructure)... Cap hit minus dead money = Cap savings if cut Will Smith - 13,902,451 - 2,352,451 = 11,550,000 Darren Sproles - 4,250,000 - 750,000 = 3,500,000 Jabari Greer - 5,825,000 – 2,650,000 = 3,175,000 Pierre Thomas – 2,900,000 – 0 = 2,900,000 Lance Moore - 5,068,750 - 2,357,500 = 2,711,250 Roman Harper - 5,870,000 - 3,690,000 = 2,180,000 Mark Ingram - 2,359,875 - 973,500 = 1,386,375 Patrick Robinson - 2,804,333 - 1,446,833 = 1,357,500 Smith-gone Sproles -has value-trade Greer??? Could add depth if healthy Thomas-keep Moore- let go Harper-keep- might look good in a 3-4 Ingram-could have break-out year if used right Robinson-bring back

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WHODATINCA Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: South Bay Posts: 3,784	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Cut the crap. The fact that Pierre is even in this discussion is mind-boggling. He is the best running back/ receiver we had last year. Way, way, more yards than anyone else. The cut him talk is Boutte, B_Dub_Saint and Rugby Saint II like this.

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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,006	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by Showtime5 You are failing bad at trying to be a Saints fan Like Apparantly you only watched the Saints last two games and missed the three years prior. Ingram has had plenty of chances and failed to deliver. Robinson is the future when it comes to a bruiser back who can get the tough short yards. Ingrams fumble was the turning point of that game. And what are you like 12? ScottF likes this.
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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,006	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by WHODATINCA Cut the crap. The fact that Pierre is even in this discussion is mind-boggling. He is the best running back/ receiver we had last year. Way, way, more yards than anyone else. The cut him talk is I agree. He is vital when it comes to the screen and when he is out it limits our play book. We have been careful with him and used him sparingly and he has plenty left in the tank. Odd man out is Ingram. They found a better, younger, and cheaper option in Robinson. I dont see Sproles going anywhere either. If Cadet could do his job as well as he does then Cadet would be doing it. Sproles is a year removed from most all purpose yards and was looking to have a career year the first half of the season. I think his lack of production was because of our blocking. Our line limited every aspect of our run game. Rugby Saint II likes this.
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Vrillon82 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 1,127	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by WHODATINCA Cut the crap. The fact that Pierre is even in this discussion is mind-boggling. He is the best running back/ receiver we had last year. Way, way, more yards than anyone else. The cut him talk is But here is the thing, no one fears PT anymore, he has not been a productive runner all season compared to Khiry or Ingram, so when the defenses see PT on the field, they pretty much know to stop the screen pass which is what has happened all season. mleg1972 likes this.
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