Who to cut (cap hits included)

The Dude · 01-24-2014, 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by WHODATINCA

Cut the crap. The fact that Pierre is even in this discussion is mind-boggling. He is the best running back/ receiver we had last year. Way, way, more yards than anyone else. The cut him talk is

I agree. He is vital when it comes to the screen and when he is out it limits our play book. We have been careful with him and used him sparingly and he has plenty left in the tank.
Odd man out is Ingram. They found a better, younger, and cheaper option in Robinson.
I dont see Sproles going anywhere either. If Cadet could do his job as well as he does then Cadet would be doing it. Sproles is a year removed from most all purpose yards and was looking to have a career year the first half of the season. I think his lack of production was because of our blocking. Our line limited every aspect of our run game.

Audiotom · 01-24-2014, 08:57 PM

I could never see Sprouls gone
Granted, get a return man and let him focus in the offense

Pierre our most valuable back

It would cost more to get someone of equal talent to replace them

Lance has lost a step and his celebratory antics even when losing badly dont jive with the team directive

Smith - fork in him,

Harper is good in run defense but gets burnt

Loomis will surprise us

Remember he is the guy who upgraded to Graham from shockey

Vrillon82 · 01-24-2014, 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by WHODATINCA

Cut the crap. The fact that Pierre is even in this discussion is mind-boggling. He is the best running back/ receiver we had last year. Way, way, more yards than anyone else. The cut him talk is

But here is the thing, no one fears PT anymore, he has not been a productive runner all season compared to Khiry or Ingram, so when the defenses see PT on the field, they pretty much know to stop the screen pass which is what has happened all season.

ScottF · 01-24-2014, 09:17 PM

Originally Posted by Vrillon82

But here is the thing, no one fears PT anymore, he has not been a productive runner all season compared to Khiry or Ingram, so when the defenses see PT on the field, they pretty much know to stop the screen pass which is what has happened all season.

other than those 77 catches?

WhoDatFan26 · 01-25-2014, 07:55 AM

Originally Posted by WHODATINCA

Cut the crap. The fact that Pierre is even in this discussion is mind-boggling. He is the best running back/ receiver we had last year. Way, way, more yards than anyone else. The cut him talk is

Actually the cut him talk is warranted because both Ingram and Robinson flourished w/o Thomas. As far as the screen game, given time Ingram and Robinson can both master it, plus their running style is a welcome addition to our offense. Something we have had since 2006 Deuce. And if we can cut Deuce, we can cut Pierre.

ScottF · 01-24-2014, 09:21 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

So we're about 14 over and we'll need at least 8 million for Graham, so who do you cut?

I know Loomis will likely restructure several players but this kinda gives yo a good indicator who may be asked to restructure or clean out their locker..

Approximated cap savings if cut (hopefully some restructure)...

Cap hit minus dead money = Cap savings if cut
Will Smith - 13,902,451 - 2,352,451 = 11,550,000
Darren Sproles - 4,250,000 - 750,000 = 3,500,000
Jabari Greer - 5,825,000 – 2,650,000 = 3,175,000
Pierre Thomas – 2,900,000 – 0 = 2,900,000
Lance Moore - 5,068,750 - 2,357,500 = 2,711,250
Roman Harper - 5,870,000 - 3,690,000 = 2,180,000
Mark Ingram - 2,359,875 - 973,500 = 1,386,375
Patrick Robinson - 2,804,333 - 1,446,833 = 1,357,500

a question of who you want and who you need
I think we still 'need' a healthy Greer.
We want Sproles and Moore, but both had down years and can be cheaply replaced
as 'Cat said, what about Bunkley at $5 mill? got to restructure or replace

TreyThomas · 01-24-2014, 10:40 PM

Bringing up Ingram's prior years is just useless. Ingram ran the ball very well towards the end of the year, when healthy. The NFL is a what have you done for me lately kinda league. Just ask Garrett Hartley.

Showtime5 · 01-24-2014, 10:52 PM

Originally Posted by TreyThomas

Bringing up Ingram's prior years is just useless. Ingram ran the ball very well towards the end of the year, when healthy. The NFL is a what have you done for me lately kinda league. Just ask Garrett Hartley.

Thank You , Ingram looked great this season.

Boutte · 01-25-2014, 12:27 AM

We need Bunkley. If we can restructure great but you need two NTs. These guys need to rotate. Jenkins was great in the beginning of the year but wore down toward the end because he played way too many downs when Bunkley was out.

halloween 65 · 01-25-2014, 06:00 AM

Originally Posted by Boutte

We need Bunkley. If we can restructure great but you need two NTs. These guys need to rotate. Jenkins was great in the beginning of the year but wore down toward the end because he played way too many downs when Bunkley was out.

True!! I have in my mock Ra'Shede Hageman DT out of Minnesota in the first, the guy can play all 3 positions on the line and commands alot of double teams letting the lb.'s crash in also would be able to rotate with anyone on the line to give them a breather, that could be a big difference in the 3-4 rotation when we carry 6 linemen and 8 lb.

01-24-2014, 08:48 PM	#1
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,060	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by WHODATINCA Cut the crap. The fact that Pierre is even in this discussion is mind-boggling. He is the best running back/ receiver we had last year. Way, way, more yards than anyone else. The cut him talk is I agree. He is vital when it comes to the screen and when he is out it limits our play book. We have been careful with him and used him sparingly and he has plenty left in the tank. Odd man out is Ingram. They found a better, younger, and cheaper option in Robinson. I dont see Sproles going anywhere either. If Cadet could do his job as well as he does then Cadet would be doing it. Sproles is a year removed from most all purpose yards and was looking to have a career year the first half of the season. I think his lack of production was because of our blocking. Our line limited every aspect of our run game. Rugby Saint II likes this.
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01-24-2014, 08:57 PM	#2
Audiotom 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 1,094 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) I could never see Sprouls gone Granted, get a return man and let him focus in the offense Pierre our most valuable back It would cost more to get someone of equal talent to replace them Lance has lost a step and his celebratory antics even when losing badly dont jive with the team directive Smith - fork in him, Harper is good in run defense but gets burnt Loomis will surprise us Remember he is the guy who upgraded to Graham from shockey

01-24-2014, 08:56 PM	#3
Vrillon82 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 1,127	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by WHODATINCA Cut the crap. The fact that Pierre is even in this discussion is mind-boggling. He is the best running back/ receiver we had last year. Way, way, more yards than anyone else. The cut him talk is But here is the thing, no one fears PT anymore, he has not been a productive runner all season compared to Khiry or Ingram, so when the defenses see PT on the field, they pretty much know to stop the screen pass which is what has happened all season. mleg1972 likes this.
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01-24-2014, 09:17 PM	#4
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by Vrillon82 But here is the thing, no one fears PT anymore, he has not been a productive runner all season compared to Khiry or Ingram, so when the defenses see PT on the field, they pretty much know to stop the screen pass which is what has happened all season. other than those 77 catches?

01-25-2014, 07:55 AM	#5
WhoDatFan26 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 365	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by WHODATINCA Cut the crap. The fact that Pierre is even in this discussion is mind-boggling. He is the best running back/ receiver we had last year. Way, way, more yards than anyone else. The cut him talk is Actually the cut him talk is warranted because both Ingram and Robinson flourished w/o Thomas. As far as the screen game, given time Ingram and Robinson can both master it, plus their running style is a welcome addition to our offense. Something we have had since 2006 Deuce. And if we can cut Deuce, we can cut Pierre.
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01-24-2014, 09:21 PM	#6
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by Danno So we're about 14 over and we'll need at least 8 million for Graham, so who do you cut? I know Loomis will likely restructure several players but this kinda gives yo a good indicator who may be asked to restructure or clean out their locker.. Approximated cap savings if cut (hopefully some restructure)... Cap hit minus dead money = Cap savings if cut Will Smith - 13,902,451 - 2,352,451 = 11,550,000 Darren Sproles - 4,250,000 - 750,000 = 3,500,000 Jabari Greer - 5,825,000 – 2,650,000 = 3,175,000 Pierre Thomas – 2,900,000 – 0 = 2,900,000 Lance Moore - 5,068,750 - 2,357,500 = 2,711,250 Roman Harper - 5,870,000 - 3,690,000 = 2,180,000 Mark Ingram - 2,359,875 - 973,500 = 1,386,375 Patrick Robinson - 2,804,333 - 1,446,833 = 1,357,500 a question of who you want and who you need I think we still 'need' a healthy Greer. We want Sproles and Moore, but both had down years and can be cheaply replaced as 'Cat said, what about Bunkley at $5 mill? got to restructure or replace

01-24-2014, 10:40 PM	#7
TreyThomas Registered Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 82	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Bringing up Ingram's prior years is just useless. Ingram ran the ball very well towards the end of the year, when healthy. The NFL is a what have you done for me lately kinda league. Just ask Garrett Hartley. B_Dub_Saint likes this.
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01-24-2014, 10:52 PM	#8
Showtime5 Registered Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 40	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by TreyThomas Bringing up Ingram's prior years is just useless. Ingram ran the ball very well towards the end of the year, when healthy. The NFL is a what have you done for me lately kinda league. Just ask Garrett Hartley. Thank You , Ingram looked great this season.
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01-25-2014, 12:27 AM	#9
Boutte Site Donor Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Belle Chasse Posts: 1,701	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) We need Bunkley. If we can restructure great but you need two NTs. These guys need to rotate. Jenkins was great in the beginning of the year but wore down toward the end because he played way too many downs when Bunkley was out. mleg1972, halloween 65 and MarchingOn like this.

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halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by Boutte We need Bunkley. If we can restructure great but you need two NTs. These guys need to rotate. Jenkins was great in the beginning of the year but wore down toward the end because he played way too many downs when Bunkley was out. True!! I have in my mock Ra'Shede Hageman DT out of Minnesota in the first, the guy can play all 3 positions on the line and commands alot of double teams letting the lb.'s crash in also would be able to rotate with anyone on the line to give them a breather, that could be a big difference in the 3-4 rotation when we carry 6 linemen and 8 lb.

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