Who to cut (cap hits included)

alleycat_126 · 01-24-2014, 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by dueceloose

Why is everyone so eager to let pt go? Hes vital to our screen game. Did anyone see how ineffective we were trying screens without him? Plus we let him and sproles go we would need to replace both with draft picks or udfan. Unless we want to experience NFC championship at sf again.

First off, I don't think anyone in here is eager to let anybody go.... OK .... I take that back..... Everybody in here wants that 11.5 million that Will Smith is worth gone immediately.... Sorry.. I had a point.....

Yeah, nobody wants to see PT gone... I understand his effectiveness. But I long to get away from carrying 5 $%^# Running Backs on the roster when only three are needed....... You wanna know the reason we have a " screen game"? It's mostly because we don't have a run game.... We have become a slave to the screen.... And teams realize it, and they make us pay for it........... bottom line, Can I get some one to come in and run the screen like PT, probably not...... But can I get a truck Alfred Morris type running back from this draft to run the damn ball better so we won't have to rely on the screen so much.... That's more likely....

WhoDatFan26 · 01-25-2014, 07:58 AM

Originally Posted by alleycat_126

First off, I don't think anyone in here is eager to let anybody go.... OK .... I take that back..... Everybody in here wants that 11.5 million that Will Smith is worth gone immediately.... Sorry.. I had a point.....

Yeah, nobody wants to see PT gone... I understand his effectiveness. But I long to get away from carrying 5 $%^# Running Backs on the roster when only three are needed....... You wanna know the reason we have a " screen game"? It's mostly because we don't have a run game.... We have become a slave to the screen.... And teams realize it, and they make us pay for it........... bottom line, Can I get some one to come in and run the screen like PT, probably not...... But can I get a truck Alfred Morris type running back from this draft to run the damn ball better so we won't have to rely on the screen so much.... That's more likely....

This is correct.

The Dude · 01-25-2014, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by alleycat_126

First off, I don't think anyone in here is eager to let anybody go.... OK .... I take that back..... Everybody in here wants that 11.5 million that Will Smith is worth gone immediately.... Sorry.. I had a point.....

Yeah, nobody wants to see PT gone... I understand his effectiveness. But I long to get away from carrying 5 $%^# Running Backs on the roster when only three are needed....... You wanna know the reason we have a " screen game"? It's mostly because we don't have a run game.... We have become a slave to the screen.... And teams realize it, and they make us pay for it........... bottom line, Can I get some one to come in and run the screen like PT, probably not...... But can I get a truck Alfred Morris type running back from this draft to run the damn ball better so we won't have to rely on the screen so much.... That's more likely....

That is a great point about why we rely on the screen game so often. I have never thought of that.

Showtime5 · 01-24-2014, 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

So we're about 14 over and we'll need at least 8 million for Graham, so who do you cut?

I know Loomis will likely restructure several players but this kinda gives yo a good indicator who may be asked to restructure or clean out their locker..

Approximated cap savings if cut (hopefully some restructure)...

Cap hit minus dead money = Cap savings if cut
Will Smith - 13,902,451 - 2,352,451 = 11,550,000
Darren Sproles - 4,250,000 - 750,000 = 3,500,000
Jabari Greer - 5,825,000 – 2,650,000 = 3,175,000
Pierre Thomas – 2,900,000 – 0 = 2,900,000
Lance Moore - 5,068,750 - 2,357,500 = 2,711,250
Roman Harper - 5,870,000 - 3,690,000 = 2,180,000
Mark Ingram - 2,359,875 - 973,500 = 1,386,375
Patrick Robinson - 2,804,333 - 1,446,833 = 1,357,500

Are you really serious with the Mark Ingram thing? Why in the hell would the Saints let him go when he showed towards the end of the year how good he can be? Like that would be so stupid. They let him go , then he going to go star somewhere else !!! Did you not see how good him and Khiry are together sharing carries. Yes he did fumble once, but name another tine he fumbled that you can just think of off your head?!! I can see PT getting cut or traded, and maybe even Sprolex if the Saints plan on drafting a player like De'Anthiony Thomas to replace him

Danno · 01-24-2014, 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by Showtime5

Are you really serious with the Mark Ingram thing? Why in the hell would the Saints let him go when he showed towards the end of the year how good he can be? Like that would be so stupid. They let him go , then he going to go star somewhere else !!! Did you not see how good him and Khiry are together sharing carries. Yes he did fumble once, but name another tine he fumbled that you can just think of off your head?!! I can see PT getting cut or traded, and maybe even Sprolex if the Saints plan on drafting a player like De'Anthiony Thomas to replace him

Read and comprehend posts better. You're failing badly.

Showtime5 · 01-24-2014, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Read and comprehend posts better. You're failing badly.

You are failing bad at trying to be a Saints fan

The Dude · 01-24-2014, 08:43 PM

Originally Posted by Showtime5

You are failing bad at trying to be a Saints fan

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Apparantly you only watched the Saints last two games and missed the three years prior.
Ingram has had plenty of chances and failed to deliver. Robinson is the future when it comes to a bruiser back who can get the tough short yards.
Ingrams fumble was the turning point of that game.
And what are you like 12?

Showtime5 · 01-24-2014, 10:33 PM

[QUOTE=The Dude;575625]Like
Apparantly you only watched the Saints last two games and missed the three years prior.
Ingram has had plenty of chances and failed to deliver. Robinson is the future when it comes to a bruiser back who can get the tough short yards.
Ingrams fumble was the turning point of that game.
And what are you like 12?[/

He finish this season stronger than any of the other backs with the exception of Khiry when he got the ball. Without Ingram we definitely don't beat Philly. You must be a Ingram hater. He had his most successful year this year once he got healthy and you think the Saints are going to possibly cut him ? Good thing you aren't a GM

halloween 65 · 01-24-2014, 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

So we're about 14 over and we'll need at least 8 million for Graham, so who do you cut?

I know Loomis will likely restructure several players but this kinda gives yo a good indicator who may be asked to restructure or clean out their locker..

Approximated cap savings if cut (hopefully some restructure)...

Cap hit minus dead money = Cap savings if cut
Will Smith - 13,902,451 - 2,352,451 = 11,550,000
Darren Sproles - 4,250,000 - 750,000 = 3,500,000
Jabari Greer - 5,825,000 – 2,650,000 = 3,175,000
Pierre Thomas – 2,900,000 – 0 = 2,900,000
Lance Moore - 5,068,750 - 2,357,500 = 2,711,250
Roman Harper - 5,870,000 - 3,690,000 = 2,180,000
Mark Ingram - 2,359,875 - 973,500 = 1,386,375
Patrick Robinson - 2,804,333 - 1,446,833 = 1,357,500

Smith-gone
Sproles -has value-trade
Greer??? Could add depth if healthy
Thomas-keep
Moore- let go
Harper-keep- might look good in a 3-4
Ingram-could have break-out year if used right
Robinson-bring back

WHODATINCA · 01-24-2014, 08:07 PM

Cut the crap. The fact that Pierre is even in this discussion is mind-boggling. He is the best running back/ receiver we had last year. Way, way, more yards than anyone else. The cut him talk is

01-24-2014, 10:30 PM	#1
alleycat_126 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Katy, Tx a suburb of Houston Posts: 2,089	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by dueceloose Why is everyone so eager to let pt go? Hes vital to our screen game. Did anyone see how ineffective we were trying screens without him? Plus we let him and sproles go we would need to replace both with draft picks or udfan. Unless we want to experience NFC championship at sf again. First off, I don't think anyone in here is eager to let anybody go.... OK .... I take that back..... Everybody in here wants that 11.5 million that Will Smith is worth gone immediately.... Sorry.. I had a point..... Yeah, nobody wants to see PT gone... I understand his effectiveness. But I long to get away from carrying 5 $%^# Running Backs on the roster when only three are needed....... You wanna know the reason we have a " screen game"? It's mostly because we don't have a run game.... We have become a slave to the screen.... And teams realize it, and they make us pay for it........... bottom line, Can I get some one to come in and run the screen like PT, probably not...... But can I get a truck Alfred Morris type running back from this draft to run the damn ball better so we won't have to rely on the screen so much.... That's more likely.... mleg1972 and Jamessr like this.
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01-25-2014, 07:58 AM	#2
WhoDatFan26 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 365	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by alleycat_126 First off, I don't think anyone in here is eager to let anybody go.... OK .... I take that back..... Everybody in here wants that 11.5 million that Will Smith is worth gone immediately.... Sorry.. I had a point..... Yeah, nobody wants to see PT gone... I understand his effectiveness. But I long to get away from carrying 5 $%^# Running Backs on the roster when only three are needed....... You wanna know the reason we have a " screen game"? It's mostly because we don't have a run game.... We have become a slave to the screen.... And teams realize it, and they make us pay for it........... bottom line, Can I get some one to come in and run the screen like PT, probably not...... But can I get a truck Alfred Morris type running back from this draft to run the damn ball better so we won't have to rely on the screen so much.... That's more likely.... This is correct.
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01-25-2014, 02:23 PM	#3
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,060	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by alleycat_126 First off, I don't think anyone in here is eager to let anybody go.... OK .... I take that back..... Everybody in here wants that 11.5 million that Will Smith is worth gone immediately.... Sorry.. I had a point..... Yeah, nobody wants to see PT gone... I understand his effectiveness. But I long to get away from carrying 5 $%^# Running Backs on the roster when only three are needed....... You wanna know the reason we have a " screen game"? It's mostly because we don't have a run game.... We have become a slave to the screen.... And teams realize it, and they make us pay for it........... bottom line, Can I get some one to come in and run the screen like PT, probably not...... But can I get a truck Alfred Morris type running back from this draft to run the damn ball better so we won't have to rely on the screen so much.... That's more likely.... That is a great point about why we rely on the screen game so often. I have never thought of that.
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01-24-2014, 06:44 PM	#4
Showtime5 Registered Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 40	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by Danno So we're about 14 over and we'll need at least 8 million for Graham, so who do you cut? I know Loomis will likely restructure several players but this kinda gives yo a good indicator who may be asked to restructure or clean out their locker.. Approximated cap savings if cut (hopefully some restructure)... Cap hit minus dead money = Cap savings if cut Will Smith - 13,902,451 - 2,352,451 = 11,550,000 Darren Sproles - 4,250,000 - 750,000 = 3,500,000 Jabari Greer - 5,825,000 – 2,650,000 = 3,175,000 Pierre Thomas – 2,900,000 – 0 = 2,900,000 Lance Moore - 5,068,750 - 2,357,500 = 2,711,250 Roman Harper - 5,870,000 - 3,690,000 = 2,180,000 Mark Ingram - 2,359,875 - 973,500 = 1,386,375 Patrick Robinson - 2,804,333 - 1,446,833 = 1,357,500 Are you really serious with the Mark Ingram thing? Why in the hell would the Saints let him go when he showed towards the end of the year how good he can be? Like that would be so stupid. They let him go , then he going to go star somewhere else !!! Did you not see how good him and Khiry are together sharing carries. Yes he did fumble once, but name another tine he fumbled that you can just think of off your head?!! I can see PT getting cut or traded, and maybe even Sprolex if the Saints plan on drafting a player like De'Anthiony Thomas to replace him B_Dub_Saint likes this.
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01-24-2014, 06:47 PM	#5
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,757	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by Showtime5 Are you really serious with the Mark Ingram thing? Why in the hell would the Saints let him go when he showed towards the end of the year how good he can be? Like that would be so stupid. They let him go , then he going to go star somewhere else !!! Did you not see how good him and Khiry are together sharing carries. Yes he did fumble once, but name another tine he fumbled that you can just think of off your head?!! I can see PT getting cut or traded, and maybe even Sprolex if the Saints plan on drafting a player like De'Anthiony Thomas to replace him Read and comprehend posts better. You're failing badly. The Dude likes this.

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Showtime5 Registered Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 40	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by Danno Read and comprehend posts better. You're failing badly. You are failing bad at trying to be a Saints fan
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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,060	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by Showtime5 You are failing bad at trying to be a Saints fan Like Apparantly you only watched the Saints last two games and missed the three years prior. Ingram has had plenty of chances and failed to deliver. Robinson is the future when it comes to a bruiser back who can get the tough short yards. Ingrams fumble was the turning point of that game. And what are you like 12? ScottF likes this.
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01-24-2014, 10:33 PM	#8
Showtime5 Registered Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 40	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) [QUOTE=The Dude;575625]Like Apparantly you only watched the Saints last two games and missed the three years prior. Ingram has had plenty of chances and failed to deliver. Robinson is the future when it comes to a bruiser back who can get the tough short yards. Ingrams fumble was the turning point of that game. And what are you like 12?[/ He finish this season stronger than any of the other backs with the exception of Khiry when he got the ball. Without Ingram we definitely don't beat Philly. You must be a Ingram hater. He had his most successful year this year once he got healthy and you think the Saints are going to possibly cut him ? Good thing you aren't a GM
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01-24-2014, 07:36 PM	#9
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by Danno So we're about 14 over and we'll need at least 8 million for Graham, so who do you cut? I know Loomis will likely restructure several players but this kinda gives yo a good indicator who may be asked to restructure or clean out their locker.. Approximated cap savings if cut (hopefully some restructure)... Cap hit minus dead money = Cap savings if cut Will Smith - 13,902,451 - 2,352,451 = 11,550,000 Darren Sproles - 4,250,000 - 750,000 = 3,500,000 Jabari Greer - 5,825,000 – 2,650,000 = 3,175,000 Pierre Thomas – 2,900,000 – 0 = 2,900,000 Lance Moore - 5,068,750 - 2,357,500 = 2,711,250 Roman Harper - 5,870,000 - 3,690,000 = 2,180,000 Mark Ingram - 2,359,875 - 973,500 = 1,386,375 Patrick Robinson - 2,804,333 - 1,446,833 = 1,357,500 Smith-gone Sproles -has value-trade Greer??? Could add depth if healthy Thomas-keep Moore- let go Harper-keep- might look good in a 3-4 Ingram-could have break-out year if used right Robinson-bring back

01-24-2014, 08:07 PM	#10
WHODATINCA Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: South Bay Posts: 3,784	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Cut the crap. The fact that Pierre is even in this discussion is mind-boggling. He is the best running back/ receiver we had last year. Way, way, more yards than anyone else. The cut him talk is Boutte, B_Dub_Saint and Rugby Saint II like this.

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