TRADE OUT OF ROUND 1

st thomas · 02-25-2014, 09:20 AM

every draft isn't like the meachum theory, came out fat and out of shape and would have been cut if he were a 3rd or 4th rounder. we went with best available and stuck with the plan. if its that no# 3 from LSU that the best up; well welcome aboard and good luck kid.

ScottF · 02-25-2014, 12:18 PM

Good link for those of us with bad memories or selective amnesia:

New Orleans Saints All-Time Draft History - Pro-Football-Reference.com

Euphoria · 02-25-2014, 01:30 PM

Just reviewing our past drafts:

Looks as if the one thing we haven't really done was trade back, out of one and grab extra picks. I think its time to break that mold. Get some extra second round and 3rd round picks who could be able bodies to upgrade some talent over all. We also have done pretty well with making later round picks becoming contributors. Those players are also cheaper than 1st round pics...

Jack Vegas · 02-25-2014, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Because you can't afford 20 more players at camp. Your broke remember.

Besides, id rather have the best 4 from the first 4 rounds than the best 10 out of the 7th.

Not true. Only the highest-paid 51 players (or is it 53 players, I'm not sure which) count against the salary cap. You can have as many players you want after that. In theory.

I think trading out of the first round is a very good idea if there's not a player there you really want. If this really is the deepest draft in 15 years like some people are saying then teams will be pulling a lot of very good players out of the 3rd and 4th rounds. I could see trading our first for a high-ish 2nd and a couple 3rds and making out like bandits on that deal.

TheOak · 02-25-2014, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

Not true. Only the highest-paid 51 players (or is it 53 players, I'm not sure which) count against the salary cap. You can have as many players you want after that. In theory.

I think trading out of the first round is a very good idea if there's not a player there you really want. If this really is the deepest draft in 15 years like some people are saying then teams will be pulling a lot of very good players out of the 3rd and 4th rounds. I could see trading our first for a high-ish 2nd and a couple 3rds and making out like bandits on that deal.

That is correct and the number is 51. That said, camp is for player evaluation and there are only x number of reps to be had.

What is better for evaluation purposes?
8 WR get 20 reps a piece
20 WR get 8 reps a piece

I'm also not sure Benson wants to pay 15 warm bodies $925/week to just show up for camp and get cut.

Keep something in mind also, moving the draft date to May 8-10 takes 3 weeks away from coaches and drafted players before camp starts.

Rugby Saint II · 02-25-2014, 04:33 PM

56% success rate or hits in the first round. That drops to 50% in the second round. That's only a 6% differential. (these numbers represent hits vs. busts not first year starters)

Do you move back and gamble that the deep draft favor your draft board? Will the players that you want fall to you?

It's hard to figure the Saints draft strategy. We have had success with small school prospects who had round one potential in the later middle to late rounds. Or we take a chance on somebody with issues off the field and pick up round one talent later in the draft.

I will say that our draft classes are substantially better when we draft early in the rounds.

SmashMouth · 03-01-2014, 08:52 AM

First rounders are a crap shoot also. How much did we pay for Marc Ingram again? How's that crapshoot working for us?

mighty12 · 03-01-2014, 11:48 AM

Can we all agree that last years draft may have been our best draft since 2006. 5 picks 4 "starters".....I use quotes for starters because Kenny Stills is a deep threat guy but I consider him a future #1 or #2 guy on this team.

Euphoria · 03-01-2014, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by mighty12

Can we all agree that last years draft may have been our best draft since 2006. 5 picks 4 "starters".....I use quotes for starters because Kenny Stills is a deep threat guy but I consider him a future #1 or #2 guy on this team.

Just because you're a starter doesn't mean you're good. I also don't see Stills and a 1 or 2. You have to realize he is a role player. That is our O by design.

hagan714 · 03-01-2014, 06:01 PM

as long as the saints stay in the top 5 of round 2 will i agree with it.

02-25-2014, 09:20 AM	#21
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: TRADE OUT OF ROUND 1 every draft isn't like the meachum theory, came out fat and out of shape and would have been cut if he were a 3rd or 4th rounder. we went with best available and stuck with the plan. if its that no# 3 from LSU that the best up; well welcome aboard and good luck kid.

02-25-2014, 12:18 PM	#22
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: TRADE OUT OF ROUND 1 Good link for those of us with bad memories or selective amnesia: New Orleans Saints All-Time Draft History - Pro-Football-Reference.com

02-25-2014, 01:30 PM	#23
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: TRADE OUT OF ROUND 1 Just reviewing our past drafts: Looks as if the one thing we haven't really done was trade back, out of one and grab extra picks. I think its time to break that mold. Get some extra second round and 3rd round picks who could be able bodies to upgrade some talent over all. We also have done pretty well with making later round picks becoming contributors. Those players are also cheaper than 1st round pics...

02-25-2014, 02:03 PM	#24
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: TRADE OUT OF ROUND 1 Originally Posted by TheOak Because you can't afford 20 more players at camp. Your broke remember. Besides, id rather have the best 4 from the first 4 rounds than the best 10 out of the 7th. Not true. Only the highest-paid 51 players (or is it 53 players, I'm not sure which) count against the salary cap. You can have as many players you want after that. In theory. I think trading out of the first round is a very good idea if there's not a player there you really want. If this really is the deepest draft in 15 years like some people are saying then teams will be pulling a lot of very good players out of the 3rd and 4th rounds. I could see trading our first for a high-ish 2nd and a couple 3rds and making out like bandits on that deal.
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02-25-2014, 02:26 PM	#25
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: TRADE OUT OF ROUND 1 Originally Posted by Jack Vegas Not true. Only the highest-paid 51 players (or is it 53 players, I'm not sure which) count against the salary cap. You can have as many players you want after that. In theory. I think trading out of the first round is a very good idea if there's not a player there you really want. If this really is the deepest draft in 15 years like some people are saying then teams will be pulling a lot of very good players out of the 3rd and 4th rounds. I could see trading our first for a high-ish 2nd and a couple 3rds and making out like bandits on that deal. That is correct and the number is 51. That said, camp is for player evaluation and there are only x number of reps to be had. What is better for evaluation purposes? 8 WR get 20 reps a piece 20 WR get 8 reps a piece I'm also not sure Benson wants to pay 15 warm bodies $925/week to just show up for camp and get cut. Keep something in mind also, moving the draft date to May 8-10 takes 3 weeks away from coaches and drafted players before camp starts.

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03-01-2014, 08:52 AM	#27
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,201 Blog Entries: 29	Re: TRADE OUT OF ROUND 1 First rounders are a crap shoot also. How much did we pay for Marc Ingram again? How's that crapshoot working for us?

03-01-2014, 11:48 AM	#28
mighty12 500th Post Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 980 Blog Entries: 1	Re: TRADE OUT OF ROUND 1 Can we all agree that last years draft may have been our best draft since 2006. 5 picks 4 "starters".....I use quotes for starters because Kenny Stills is a deep threat guy but I consider him a future #1 or #2 guy on this team.

03-01-2014, 03:14 PM	#29
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: TRADE OUT OF ROUND 1 Originally Posted by mighty12 Can we all agree that last years draft may have been our best draft since 2006. 5 picks 4 "starters".....I use quotes for starters because Kenny Stills is a deep threat guy but I consider him a future #1 or #2 guy on this team. Just because you're a starter doesn't mean you're good. I also don't see Stills and a 1 or 2. You have to realize he is a role player. That is our O by design.

03-01-2014, 06:01 PM	#30
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: TRADE OUT OF ROUND 1 as long as the saints stay in the top 5 of round 2 will i agree with it.

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