TRADE OUT OF ROUND 1

saintfan · 02-24-2014, 09:45 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

A crap shoot implies that every selection from the 1st to the last has the exact same rate of success.

That just isn't so.

The odds favor 1st rounder over 2nd rounder, and 2nd over 3rd etc...

Therefore it is not a crap shoot.

You give me all 32 1st rounders and I'll give you all 32 7th rounders over the last 10 years. Who do you think will have the better team?

I think you're missing the spirit of what I'm implying. Maybe if I said it's a "gamble" we'd be on the same page? Would you agree with that? That it's a gamble? Maybe more like Black Jack than dice?

Either way the spirit of what I'm saying is that there's no way to know. Those that go in the first round go that high because of the things they measure and play on the field in a game that overwhelms most of them for a while.

What makes a player special is not the round he was drafted in. What makes a player special is heart. There's no way to measure heart. All the 40 yard dash times and wonderlic scores - in the end they don't prove a damn thing really...because if they did, all these people who get paid tons of money to filter out the bad ones would be out of a job.

TheOak · 02-24-2014, 09:58 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Then why not trade down every round and get 20 7th rounders?

Because you can't afford 20 more players at camp. Your broke remember.

Besides, id rather have the best 4 from the first 4 rounds than the best 10 out of the 7th.

saintfan · 02-24-2014, 11:47 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Because you can't afford 20 more players at camp. Your broke remember.

Besides, id rather have the best 4 from the first 4 rounds than the best 10 out of the 7th.

See. You're a high-roller!

foreverfan · 02-25-2014, 12:15 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Then why not trade down every round and get 20 7th rounders?

Because you can get 20 8th round picks if you just wait a day or two.

TheOak · 02-25-2014, 04:42 AM

Originally Posted by foreverfan

Because you can get 20 8th round picks if you just wait a day or two.

Don't we call that team the Falcons?

triman · 02-25-2014, 05:54 AM

There are reasons teams covet and hoard these picks. I read somewhere where 56 % of of 1st rd picks start in their 1st year. This number decreases to 50% in the second rd .and drops dramatically in following rds. This should temper the hope that a draft pick can come in and fill a need immediately. That his a kind of crapshoot.

hagan714 · 02-25-2014, 06:58 AM

this should be a wild draft. i expect a lot of trading. cap wise getting more picks is smart. but the talent in the first round is really solid this year so i am on the fence and given the track history of our ability to draft in round 1 i am leaning towards trade. if the offer came in to move to the top of the second AND we get the chance to move a player that would relieve the cap i think the saints would be hard pressed not to pull the trigger.

I for one have always loved trades in the draft. more picks the better. add in as many UNDFA as you can and let camp begin,

Seer1 · 02-25-2014, 08:19 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Don't we call that team the Falcons?

The name's already taken, dammit! How about the pigeons? Now there's a really dirty bird...

papz · 02-25-2014, 08:48 AM

Haven't we already been down this road last year... and the year before that? And maybe the year before that too?

Luck, crapshoot, calculated crapshoot, roll of the dice, tomato, tamatoe, mayonnaise, mustard, apples, bananas?

TheOak · 02-25-2014, 08:55 AM

Considering what Payton/Loomis have found and brought onto the team in regards to under the radar players, I do not see it as being a still that is effected by quantity.

They look for something and they go get it, they don't take 20 warm bodies out to the practice field and hope someone turns out they way they thought he would.

Quality over quantity and draft order is somewhat irrelevant.

When is the last time we "traded down"? Who was the gem found because of that action?

02-24-2014, 09:45 PM	#11
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: TRADE OUT OF ROUND 1 Originally Posted by Danno A crap shoot implies that every selection from the 1st to the last has the exact same rate of success. That just isn't so. The odds favor 1st rounder over 2nd rounder, and 2nd over 3rd etc... Therefore it is not a crap shoot. You give me all 32 1st rounders and I'll give you all 32 7th rounders over the last 10 years. Who do you think will have the better team? I think you're missing the spirit of what I'm implying. Maybe if I said it's a "gamble" we'd be on the same page? Would you agree with that? That it's a gamble? Maybe more like Black Jack than dice? Either way the spirit of what I'm saying is that there's no way to know. Those that go in the first round go that high because of the things they measure and play on the field in a game that overwhelms most of them for a while. What makes a player special is not the round he was drafted in. What makes a player special is heart. There's no way to measure heart. All the 40 yard dash times and wonderlic scores - in the end they don't prove a damn thing really...because if they did, all these people who get paid tons of money to filter out the bad ones would be out of a job.
	C'mon Man...

02-24-2014, 09:58 PM	#12
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: TRADE OUT OF ROUND 1 Originally Posted by Danno Then why not trade down every round and get 20 7th rounders? Because you can't afford 20 more players at camp. Your broke remember. Besides, id rather have the best 4 from the first 4 rounds than the best 10 out of the 7th. Danno and Rugby Saint II like this.

02-24-2014, 11:47 PM	#13
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: TRADE OUT OF ROUND 1 Originally Posted by TheOak Because you can't afford 20 more players at camp. Your broke remember. Besides, id rather have the best 4 from the first 4 rounds than the best 10 out of the 7th. See. You're a high-roller! foreverfan likes this.

02-25-2014, 12:15 AM	#14
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Re: TRADE OUT OF ROUND 1 Originally Posted by Danno Then why not trade down every round and get 20 7th rounders? Because you can get 20 8th round picks if you just wait a day or two. Rugby Saint II likes this.

02-25-2014, 04:42 AM	#15
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: TRADE OUT OF ROUND 1 Originally Posted by foreverfan Because you can get 20 8th round picks if you just wait a day or two. Don't we call that team the Falcons? foreverfan likes this.

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02-25-2014, 05:54 AM	#16
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02-25-2014, 06:58 AM	#17
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: TRADE OUT OF ROUND 1 this should be a wild draft. i expect a lot of trading. cap wise getting more picks is smart. but the talent in the first round is really solid this year so i am on the fence and given the track history of our ability to draft in round 1 i am leaning towards trade. if the offer came in to move to the top of the second AND we get the chance to move a player that would relieve the cap i think the saints would be hard pressed not to pull the trigger. I for one have always loved trades in the draft. more picks the better. add in as many UNDFA as you can and let camp begin,
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02-25-2014, 08:19 AM	#18
Seer1 Site Donor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bayou Bayfield CO Posts: 4,722	Re: TRADE OUT OF ROUND 1 Originally Posted by TheOak Don't we call that team the Falcons? The name's already taken, dammit! How about the pigeons? Now there's a really dirty bird... hagan714 likes this.

02-25-2014, 08:48 AM	#19
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,744	Re: TRADE OUT OF ROUND 1 Haven't we already been down this road last year... and the year before that? And maybe the year before that too? Luck, crapshoot, calculated crapshoot, roll of the dice, tomato, tamatoe, mayonnaise, mustard, apples, bananas? hagan714, exile, Rugby Saint II and 1 others like this.
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02-25-2014, 08:55 AM	#20
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: TRADE OUT OF ROUND 1 Considering what Payton/Loomis have found and brought onto the team in regards to under the radar players, I do not see it as being a still that is effected by quantity. They look for something and they go get it, they don't take 20 warm bodies out to the practice field and hope someone turns out they way they thought he would. Quality over quantity and draft order is somewhat irrelevant. When is the last time we "traded down"? Who was the gem found because of that action?

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