Saints could lose Jimmy Graham with non-exclusive tag

halloween 65 · 03-02-2014, 04:38 AM

I don't think we will get two 1st round picks for him but I will cross my fingers. I believe Loomis knows a team want do this and when it's time he will offer Graham a contract of what Loomis thinks he is worth and not a penny more, to be honest Loomis could low ball him if he wanted to. I'm hoping for the picks myself, badly

lee909 · 03-02-2014, 04:50 AM

I wouldn't count out Seattle of trying to nab Jimmy. They pick last this year and next year will likely be picking late again.The clowns would love him but wouldn't make a offer till after the draft as they wont want to give up the early pick this year.
Giants need a new toy with loosing Nicks

TheOak · 03-02-2014, 05:06 AM

Originally Posted by lee909

I wouldn't count out Seattle of trying to nab Jimmy. They pick last this year and next year will likely be picking late again.The clowns would love him but wouldn't make a offer till after the draft as they wont want to give up the early pick this year.
Giants need a new toy with loosing Nicks

We all know Jimmy doesn't play well in Seattle

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Utah_Saint · 03-02-2014, 04:56 AM

I wonder if the falcons make him an offer. They've got lots of cap room.

On one hand, with Gonzo retiring and White losing a step Graham might be just what they need.

On the other hand, they could really use those picks to try to put together an offensive and defensive line.

lee909 · 03-02-2014, 05:02 AM

Thats why I could see the offer coming after the draft. Use the early pick for a lineman. Screw the Saints and if they make the playoffs they loose later picks next year.

Cruize · 03-02-2014, 08:28 AM

It's not going to be a smooth offseason. The Saints aren't going to bust their cap and no other team will part with the picks. Then, Jimmy will most likely hold out. If Sererian-Jenkins or Amaro are there at 27, I would take them without blinking. Jimmy is not and most likely will never be a complete TE in the NFL. He doesn't have the desire or meanness to block. However, he is a weapon. A valuable weapon. Thus, next season, the Saints will have both or if Jimmy holds out, the Saints are covered. The Saints can still get what they need out of the draft with the later picks.

1. TE Seferian-Jenkins
2. CB Jean-Baptiste
3. OLB Attaochu
4. C Stork
5. WR Janis
6. K Boswell

B_Dub_Saint · 03-02-2014, 09:36 AM

Honestly guys, what team in their right mind would give a first round pick this year and next year plus take on his salary??? They made this deal so outrageous that I cant possibly see any team with 1/2 a brain take this offer.

Seriously, play GM here for a minute, would you give a first rounder this year, next year and 12 mil for one player? No way in hell.

They will ink out a deal but this will linger most of the offseason.

FeelTheBrees · 03-02-2014, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by B_Dub_Saint

Honestly guys, what team in their right mind would give a first round pick this year and next year plus take on his salary??? They made this deal so outrageous that I cant possibly see any team with 1/2 a brain take this offer.

Seriously, play GM here for a minute, would you give a first rounder this year, next year and 12 mil for one player? No way in hell.

They will ink out a deal but this will linger most of the offseason.

Expanding on this a bit...the more I think about it, the more I realize it was a GENIUS move with some nice potential. IF a team makes him an offer, it's probably going to be discounted because they are also having to give up two first rounders in addition to his salary (my whole analysis is dependent on this - if someone throws huge money at him then my argument fails lol)...So let's say someone does make him a offer. It will most likely be less than the WR tag we will have to pay without them making him an offer and even less than what he is looking for in a long term deal. It sets us up for a potential DISCOUNT. Then instead of matching their lowball offer, we turn round and ink him for a better long term deal than he was offered (but still lower than what we would have paid without letting other teams make offers) and become the saving grace. Everyone is happy.

Am I delusional or does this make perfect sense?

Euphoria · 03-02-2014, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by FeelTheBrees

Expanding on this a bit...the more I think about it, the more I realize it was a GENIUS move with some nice potential. IF a team makes him an offer, it's probably going to be discounted because they are also having to give up two first rounders in addition to his salary (my whole analysis is dependent on this - if someone throws huge money at him then my argument fails lol)...So let's say someone does make him a offer. It will most likely be less than the WR tag we will have to pay without them making him an offer and even less than what he is looking for in a long term deal. It sets us up for a potential DISCOUNT. Then instead of matching their lowball offer, we turn round and ink him for a better long term deal than he was offered (but still lower than what we would have paid without letting other teams make offers) and become the saving grace. Everyone is happy.

Am I delusional or does this make perfect sense?

They have to better the offer he is currently under. I can't see a team pulling the trigger on a deal like this. About half of them could with the cap space but giving up two 1st rounders??? yikes.

B_Dub_Saint · 03-02-2014, 09:42 AM

Hold up your end of the bargin hommie.

New Orleans Saints' Jimmy Graham says he'll retire when Drew Brees retires - Video | NOLA.com

03-02-2014, 04:38 AM	#1
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Saints could lose Jimmy Graham with non-exclusive tag I don't think we will get two 1st round picks for him but I will cross my fingers. I believe Loomis knows a team want do this and when it's time he will offer Graham a contract of what Loomis thinks he is worth and not a penny more, to be honest Loomis could low ball him if he wanted to. I'm hoping for the picks myself, badly ChrisXVI likes this.

03-02-2014, 04:50 AM	#2
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,875 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Saints could lose Jimmy Graham with non-exclusive tag I wouldn't count out Seattle of trying to nab Jimmy. They pick last this year and next year will likely be picking late again.The clowns would love him but wouldn't make a offer till after the draft as they wont want to give up the early pick this year. Giants need a new toy with loosing Nicks

03-02-2014, 05:06 AM	#3
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Saints could lose Jimmy Graham with non-exclusive tag Originally Posted by lee909 I wouldn't count out Seattle of trying to nab Jimmy. They pick last this year and next year will likely be picking late again.The clowns would love him but wouldn't make a offer till after the draft as they wont want to give up the early pick this year. Giants need a new toy with loosing Nicks We all know Jimmy doesn't play well in Seattle . saintfan, hagan714 and ScottF like this.

03-02-2014, 04:56 AM	#4
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Saints could lose Jimmy Graham with non-exclusive tag I wonder if the falcons make him an offer. They've got lots of cap room. On one hand, with Gonzo retiring and White losing a step Graham might be just what they need. On the other hand, they could really use those picks to try to put together an offensive and defensive line.

03-02-2014, 05:02 AM	#5
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,875 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Saints could lose Jimmy Graham with non-exclusive tag Thats why I could see the offer coming after the draft. Use the early pick for a lineman. Screw the Saints and if they make the playoffs they loose later picks next year. hagan714 likes this.

03-02-2014, 08:28 AM	#6
Cruize 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,467	Re: Saints could lose Jimmy Graham with non-exclusive tag It's not going to be a smooth offseason. The Saints aren't going to bust their cap and no other team will part with the picks. Then, Jimmy will most likely hold out. If Sererian-Jenkins or Amaro are there at 27, I would take them without blinking. Jimmy is not and most likely will never be a complete TE in the NFL. He doesn't have the desire or meanness to block. However, he is a weapon. A valuable weapon. Thus, next season, the Saints will have both or if Jimmy holds out, the Saints are covered. The Saints can still get what they need out of the draft with the later picks. 1. TE Seferian-Jenkins 2. CB Jean-Baptiste 3. OLB Attaochu 4. C Stork 5. WR Janis 6. K Boswell
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03-02-2014, 09:36 AM	#7
B_Dub_Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lafayette, LA Posts: 2,345 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Saints could lose Jimmy Graham with non-exclusive tag Honestly guys, what team in their right mind would give a first round pick this year and next year plus take on his salary??? They made this deal so outrageous that I cant possibly see any team with 1/2 a brain take this offer. Seriously, play GM here for a minute, would you give a first rounder this year, next year and 12 mil for one player? No way in hell. They will ink out a deal but this will linger most of the offseason. saintsfan403 likes this.

03-02-2014, 11:14 AM	#8
FeelTheBrees Registered Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 60	Re: Saints could lose Jimmy Graham with non-exclusive tag Originally Posted by B_Dub_Saint Honestly guys, what team in their right mind would give a first round pick this year and next year plus take on his salary??? They made this deal so outrageous that I cant possibly see any team with 1/2 a brain take this offer. Seriously, play GM here for a minute, would you give a first rounder this year, next year and 12 mil for one player? No way in hell. They will ink out a deal but this will linger most of the offseason. Expanding on this a bit...the more I think about it, the more I realize it was a GENIUS move with some nice potential. IF a team makes him an offer, it's probably going to be discounted because they are also having to give up two first rounders in addition to his salary (my whole analysis is dependent on this - if someone throws huge money at him then my argument fails lol)...So let's say someone does make him a offer. It will most likely be less than the WR tag we will have to pay without them making him an offer and even less than what he is looking for in a long term deal. It sets us up for a potential DISCOUNT. Then instead of matching their lowball offer, we turn round and ink him for a better long term deal than he was offered (but still lower than what we would have paid without letting other teams make offers) and become the saving grace. Everyone is happy. Am I delusional or does this make perfect sense?
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03-02-2014, 11:42 AM	#9
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Saints could lose Jimmy Graham with non-exclusive tag Originally Posted by FeelTheBrees Expanding on this a bit...the more I think about it, the more I realize it was a GENIUS move with some nice potential. IF a team makes him an offer, it's probably going to be discounted because they are also having to give up two first rounders in addition to his salary (my whole analysis is dependent on this - if someone throws huge money at him then my argument fails lol)...So let's say someone does make him a offer. It will most likely be less than the WR tag we will have to pay without them making him an offer and even less than what he is looking for in a long term deal. It sets us up for a potential DISCOUNT. Then instead of matching their lowball offer, we turn round and ink him for a better long term deal than he was offered (but still lower than what we would have paid without letting other teams make offers) and become the saving grace. Everyone is happy. Am I delusional or does this make perfect sense? They have to better the offer he is currently under. I can't see a team pulling the trigger on a deal like this. About half of them could with the cap space but giving up two 1st rounders??? yikes.

03-02-2014, 09:42 AM	#10
B_Dub_Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lafayette, LA Posts: 2,345 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Saints could lose Jimmy Graham with non-exclusive tag Hold up your end of the bargin hommie. New Orleans Saints' Jimmy Graham says he'll retire when Drew Brees retires - Video \| NOLA.com

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