Saints could lose Jimmy Graham with non-exclusive tag

Saintaintso · 03-03-2014, 11:22 AM

Yeah but jimmy isn't drawing the oppositions best corner in route to putting up those stats ,

The guys you mentioned are getting it from the gate , and the hole in your logic is none of those guys have a Drew Brees throwing to them either so they probably would've shown up had they had a decent QB on their side.

If he wants elite WR money he ought to be an elite WR ... Where's the misstep in that logic ?

Both times he drew #1 corners attention he was a dud ... Checkmate

Utah_Saint · 03-03-2014, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by Saintaintso

Yeah but jimmy isn't drawing the oppositions best corner in route to putting up those stats ,

...Both times he drew #1 corners attention he was a dud ... Checkmate

So every team's #1 corner could stop him, but the team chooses not to? Why do you think they'd chose to allow Graham to keep scoring against them if they could stop him?

TheOak · 03-03-2014, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by Saintaintso

Yeah but jimmy isn't drawing the oppositions best corner in route to putting up those stats ,

The guys you mentioned are getting it from the gate , and the hole in your logic is none of those guys have a Drew Brees throwing to them either so they probably would've shown up had they had a decent QB on their side.

If he wants elite WR money he ought to be an elite WR ... Where's the misstep in that logic ?

Both times he drew #1 corners attention he was a dud ... Checkmate

Perhaps you need an interpreter, I never mentioned QBs or Drew brees.

You do not play much Chess do you?
He drew the best CBs when the opponent had top CBs.
Talib
Chancelor/Thomas
Ogletree

The top tier WRs that I listed do not always dray the best CBs either, they get a variety just like Jimmy does.

Andre' Johnson drew coverage from 6 defenders against Indi, and 8 defenders against Jax. All elite WRs were kept off the boards at one time or another. Graham still put up more TDs than any other player that wasn't a QB in the entire NFL in 2013.

If Jimmy isn't drawing their best, who is? Lance Moore? Or do opponents not try anf put their best against our best?

Yahtzee!

Saintaintso · 03-03-2014, 12:09 PM

Because letting stills and Colston run free would be even worse for them ...

Are you telling me he's getting corners from the jump ? Lol he put those digits up against linebackers ...

TheOak · 03-03-2014, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by Saintaintso

Because letting stills and Colston run free would be even worse for them ...

Are you telling me he's getting corners from the jump ? Lol he put those digits up against linebackers ...

Do you bother to look up what you are saying? At all.... or do you just rationalize what you think with incorrect statements?

I looked at two games
Against the Jets:
Chromartie
Milner
Allen
Jarret

SF49
Whitner
Rogers
Brown
Brock

I suppose Talib is a CB/ILB for the Patriots?

Utah_Saint · 03-03-2014, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by Saintaintso

Because letting stills and Colston run free would be even worse for them ...

Are you telling me he's getting corners from the jump ? Lol he put those digits up against linebackers ...

Many times the Saints try to get Graham lined up against corners. He's too big for them to cover. That's why they usually cover him with linebackers and put a safety over the top most of the time. He's too big for most D-backs and too fast for most linebackers.

A few teams have the personnel to shut him down, but not many.

But I do think you're on to something when you say Colston would run free. In the New England game somebody else should've stepped up since Graham took their best CB. Toon blew it a couple of time. And in the Seattle playoff game, the attention Graham was getting was one of the reasons that Colston had the best game of any receiver last year in Seattle.

Saintaintso · 03-03-2014, 12:12 PM

Put him at wideout ... Those astronomical numbers would be halved ....

TheOak · 03-03-2014, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by Saintaintso

Put him at wideout ... Those astronomical numbers would be halved ....

Like this?

He plays at wide out... why in the heck do you think there is all this TE/WR discussion?

The Dude · 03-03-2014, 02:42 PM

Jimmy does fine and puts up numbers on LB's and corners both. There is nothing wrong with his ability other than maybe being a little injury prone due to the way he plays.
I think all this talk about trading him is just posturing by the team to try and get a deal done because they know he wants to be in New Orleans. I don't think the team is that serious about trading him
That being said I think a trade WOULD be best for both parties. JG gets his money and we get two 1st round picks and save enough money to sign some immediate impact FA's. I think this scenario is best for the team.
Lets not try and convince ourselves that he is not an elite player just so its easier to part with him. Whoever gets him will get their moneys worth. Unfortunately we just don't have the luxury of tying up that kind of money in another player.

Utah_Saint · 03-03-2014, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Jimmy does fine and puts up numbers on LB's and corners both. There is nothing wrong with his ability other than maybe being a little injury prone due to the way he plays.
I think all this talk about trading him is just posturing by the team to try and get a deal done because they know he wants to be in New Orleans. I don't think the team is that serious about trading him
That being said I think a trade WOULD be best for both parties. JG gets his money and we get two 1st round picks and save enough money to sign some immediate impact FA's. I think this scenario is best for the team.
Lets not try and convince ourselves that he is not an elite player just so its easier to part with him. Whoever gets him will get their moneys worth. Unfortunately we just don't have the luxury of tying up that kind of money in another player.

I agree.

I just don't see how the team can afford him. We're only 8 million under the cap now (before Graham's signing) We still have to Streif, De La Puente, Bush, Haralson, or their replacements and our draft picks and more.

I know it's a long shot that another team trades two firsts but it's fun to imagine packaging two firsts and trading up and possibly getting one of the studs early in the first round two years in a row.

03-03-2014, 11:22 AM	#1
Saintaintso 500th Post Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 937	Re: Saints could lose Jimmy Graham with non-exclusive tag Yeah but jimmy isn't drawing the oppositions best corner in route to putting up those stats , The guys you mentioned are getting it from the gate , and the hole in your logic is none of those guys have a Drew Brees throwing to them either so they probably would've shown up had they had a decent QB on their side. If he wants elite WR money he ought to be an elite WR ... Where's the misstep in that logic ? Both times he drew #1 corners attention he was a dud ... Checkmate
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03-03-2014, 11:38 AM	#2
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Saints could lose Jimmy Graham with non-exclusive tag Originally Posted by Saintaintso Yeah but jimmy isn't drawing the oppositions best corner in route to putting up those stats , ...Both times he drew #1 corners attention he was a dud ... Checkmate So every team's #1 corner could stop him, but the team chooses not to? Why do you think they'd chose to allow Graham to keep scoring against them if they could stop him? ScottF likes this.

03-03-2014, 11:51 AM	#3
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,056	Re: Saints could lose Jimmy Graham with non-exclusive tag Originally Posted by Saintaintso Yeah but jimmy isn't drawing the oppositions best corner in route to putting up those stats , The guys you mentioned are getting it from the gate , and the hole in your logic is none of those guys have a Drew Brees throwing to them either so they probably would've shown up had they had a decent QB on their side. If he wants elite WR money he ought to be an elite WR ... Where's the misstep in that logic ? Both times he drew #1 corners attention he was a dud ... Checkmate Perhaps you need an interpreter, I never mentioned QBs or Drew brees. You do not play much Chess do you? He drew the best CBs when the opponent had top CBs. Talib Chancelor/Thomas Ogletree The top tier WRs that I listed do not always dray the best CBs either, they get a variety just like Jimmy does. Andre' Johnson drew coverage from 6 defenders against Indi, and 8 defenders against Jax. All elite WRs were kept off the boards at one time or another. Graham still put up more TDs than *any* other player that wasn't a QB in the entire NFL in 2013. If Jimmy isn't drawing their best, who is? Lance Moore? Or do opponents not try anf put their best against our best? Yahtzee! Saintaintso and AliJee like this.
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03-03-2014, 12:09 PM	#4
Saintaintso 500th Post Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 937	Re: Saints could lose Jimmy Graham with non-exclusive tag Because letting stills and Colston run free would be even worse for them ... Are you telling me he's getting corners from the jump ? Lol he put those digits up against linebackers ...
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03-03-2014, 12:21 PM	#5
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,056	Re: Saints could lose Jimmy Graham with non-exclusive tag Originally Posted by Saintaintso Because letting stills and Colston run free would be even worse for them ... Are you telling me he's getting corners from the jump ? Lol he put those digits up against linebackers ... Do you bother to look up what you are saying? At all.... or do you just rationalize what you think with incorrect statements? I looked at two games Against the Jets: Chromartie Milner Allen Jarret SF49 Whitner Rogers Brown Brock I suppose Talib is a CB/ILB for the Patriots?

03-03-2014, 02:26 PM	#6
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Saints could lose Jimmy Graham with non-exclusive tag Originally Posted by Saintaintso Because letting stills and Colston run free would be even worse for them ... Are you telling me he's getting corners from the jump ? Lol he put those digits up against linebackers ... Many times the Saints try to get Graham lined up against corners. He's too big for them to cover. That's why they usually cover him with linebackers and put a safety over the top most of the time. He's too big for most D-backs and too fast for most linebackers. A few teams have the personnel to shut him down, but not many. But I do think you're on to something when you say Colston would run free. In the New England game somebody else should've stepped up since Graham took their best CB. Toon blew it a couple of time. And in the Seattle playoff game, the attention Graham was getting was one of the reasons that Colston had the best game of any receiver last year in Seattle.

03-03-2014, 12:12 PM	#7
Saintaintso 500th Post Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 937	Re: Saints could lose Jimmy Graham with non-exclusive tag Put him at wideout ... Those astronomical numbers would be halved ....
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03-03-2014, 12:25 PM	#8
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,056	Re: Saints could lose Jimmy Graham with non-exclusive tag Originally Posted by Saintaintso Put him at wideout ... Those astronomical numbers would be halved .... Like this? He plays at wide out... why in the heck do you think there is all this TE/WR discussion? FeelTheBrees likes this.

03-03-2014, 02:42 PM	#9
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,066	Re: Saints could lose Jimmy Graham with non-exclusive tag Jimmy does fine and puts up numbers on LB's and corners both. There is nothing wrong with his ability other than maybe being a little injury prone due to the way he plays. I think all this talk about trading him is just posturing by the team to try and get a deal done because they know he wants to be in New Orleans. I don't think the team is that serious about trading him That being said I think a trade WOULD be best for both parties. JG gets his money and we get two 1st round picks and save enough money to sign some immediate impact FA's. I think this scenario is best for the team. Lets not try and convince ourselves that he is not an elite player just so its easier to part with him. Whoever gets him will get their moneys worth. Unfortunately we just don't have the luxury of tying up that kind of money in another player. Utah_Saint likes this.
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03-03-2014, 03:55 PM	#10
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Saints could lose Jimmy Graham with non-exclusive tag Originally Posted by The Dude Jimmy does fine and puts up numbers on LB's and corners both. There is nothing wrong with his ability other than maybe being a little injury prone due to the way he plays. I think all this talk about trading him is just posturing by the team to try and get a deal done because they know he wants to be in New Orleans. I don't think the team is that serious about trading him That being said I think a trade WOULD be best for both parties. JG gets his money and we get two 1st round picks and save enough money to sign some immediate impact FA's. I think this scenario is best for the team. Lets not try and convince ourselves that he is not an elite player just so its easier to part with him. Whoever gets him will get their moneys worth. Unfortunately we just don't have the luxury of tying up that kind of money in another player. I agree. I just don't see how the team can afford him. We're only 8 million under the cap now (before Graham's signing) We still have to Streif, De La Puente, Bush, Haralson, or their replacements and our draft picks and more. I know it's a long shot that another team trades two firsts but it's fun to imagine packaging two firsts and trading up and possibly getting one of the studs early in the first round two years in a row.

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