Saints could lose Jimmy Graham with non-exclusive tag

listill · 03-01-2014, 11:19 PM

Highest paid TE sure he deserves that, top wide receiver pay.....no. If they pay him that we won't have an OL so Jimmy won't be catching anything cause Brees will be on his back all game. Like watching him play but 2 first round picks will make me feel better about him leaving.

ScottF · 03-02-2014, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by QBREES9

And who could begrudge Graham? He's been paid a relative pittance so far in his four-year NFL career. He's earned a total of $2.4 million, or about a third of what the Saints paid defensive lineman Brodrick Bunkley the past two seasons alone.

Hometown discount? Graham has been giving the Saints one for the past three seasons. Since becoming a full-time starter in 2011, Graham has set new standards for tight end prolificacy.

His averages of 90 catches, 1,169 yards and 12 touchdowns over the past three seasons dwarf those of the league's second-best tight end, Rob Gonkowski (61; 903; 10.7), and compare favorably with top wide receivers like Dez Bryant (83; 1,181; 11) and A.J. Green (87; 1,277; 9.6)

PAY DA MAN, yeah i said it.

Exactly my thought. What do we OWE Jimmy Graham?
Yes, HE signed his rookie contract, and who would know how unbelievably great he would turn out? Well, maybe Loomis, who 'gambled' on a 3rd round pick AND had the foresight to offer a 4 year deal.

Let's say we do pay him the 12. (obviously we won't). Over the next 4 years, that would make JG's career avg salary $6.3mil. Every team in the league would pay that for his numbers.

We look at JG's agent's 'insane' demands and are appalled. Consider it back pay and it's easier to take.

Danno · 03-02-2014, 09:06 AM

Originally Posted by ScottF

Exactly my thought. What do we OWE Jimmy Graham?
Yes, HE signed his rookie contract, and who would know how unbelievably great he would turn out? Well, maybe Loomis, who 'gambled' on a 3rd round pick AND had the foresight to offer a 4 year deal.

Let's say we do pay him the 12. (obviously we won't). Over the next 4 years, that would make JG's career avg salary $6.3mil. Every team in the league would pay that for his numbers.

We look at JG's agent's 'insane' demands and are appalled. Consider it back pay and it's easier to take.

Doesn't work that way, unless all the busts are also forced to give the owner back all the money they didn't earn.

Rookie contracts are for earning what the owner/GM think you'll be worth.

You 2nd/3rd/4th contract is based on what the owner/GM think you'll be worth.

The only way to make that a bit more fair is to go to one year contracts for everyone, or base each players pay on what they did the previous season. Play 1st, then get paid for how well you did.

ScottF · 03-02-2014, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Doesn't work that way, unless all the busts are also forced to give the owner back all the money they didn't earn.

Rookie contracts are for earning what the owner/GM think you'll be worth.

You 2nd/3rd/4th contract is based on what the owner/GM think you'll be worth.

The only way to make that a bit more fair is to go to one year contracts for everyone, or base each players pay on what they did the previous season. Play 1st, then get paid for how well you did.

Yeah, I know it doesn't... just wanted to give some perspective with all the Graham indignation going on.

I like your line of thinking...Can we get Jimmy a signing bonus check with the names Sullivan, Smith or Ellis on the signature line?

rezburna · 03-02-2014, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by ScottF

Exactly my thought. What do we OWE Jimmy Graham?
Yes, HE signed his rookie contract, and who would know how unbelievably great he would turn out? Well, maybe Loomis, who 'gambled' on a 3rd round pick AND had the foresight to offer a 4 year deal.

Let's say we do pay him the 12. (obviously we won't). Over the next 4 years, that would make JG's career avg salary $6.3mil. Every team in the league would pay that for his numbers.

We look at JG's agent's 'insane' demands and are appalled. Consider it back pay and it's easier to take.

Consider 8-8 and 9-7 or one and done in the playoffs the residual effect of giving a TE $12 million a year.

ScottF · 03-02-2014, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Consider 8-8 and 9-7 or one and done in the playoffs the residual effect of giving a TE $12 million a year.

I am not advocating paying him 12mill.
My point is everyone is saying he is crazy bc his is supposedly asking for $4mil more than he is worth, but no one had a problem when he made $4mil less than his worth

rezburna · 03-02-2014, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by ScottF

I am not advocating paying him 12mill.
My point is everyone is saying he is crazy bc his is supposedly asking for $4mil more than he is worth, but no one had a problem when he made $4mil less than his worth

When he signed the contract nobody knew he'd produce the way he has. I watched him at Miami. Dropped pass after pass. I was pissed we drafted him. He proved me wrong in a lot of ways. I rather have Vernon Davis though. And I agree, nobody had anything to say when he was getting underpaid, but nobody would've been mad if we gave him $7 or $8 million last year or the year before. He knew the whole time he was going to wait until now and chase double figures. In no way do I believe we haven't offered him an extension before this year.

SaintLeonard · 03-01-2014, 11:42 PM

I don't like this..

Hopefully he still ends up a Saint.

lee909 · 03-02-2014, 01:12 AM

Just looking at teams cap space it wouldn't surprise me if some teams did make a offer though I expect any offer from the Clowns to be after the draft.
They will loose White soon and need a TE. Washington has the space but no pick this year.
Colts, both New York teams have enough space especially the Jets.Miami need more weapons for Tannehil.

Going to be a interesting 2 months that's for sure.I still tjink a deal will be done thst will be a back ended deal to free up space this year and to gradually increase with the cap.

hagan714 · 03-02-2014, 04:21 AM

ok lets do this.

Finally admit as a TE he suxs. he can not block to save his life

As a WR he is the balls.

so that means we would basically have 20 million of the cap invested in colston and graham. them add in drew and well dam that is a lot of the cap tied up at three positions but key positions in this offense. Off the three Colston has declined and not been worth the money he has gotten in the last contract. thus the fear we have of jimmy getting the cash.

Injuries for both have increased in the past two years which IMO is do to over use. Tall WR and the new rules of tackling have put a self life on these type of players. just to many hits low

what a mess. I think the nfl will learn x basketball players types have a very short shelf life in the NFL and the NFL is to blame.

so it maybe wise to to think about the two first or sign him to a not so long contract and see how it works out. time it with drews departure. by then i think he will only be good for a set amount of games each year. and every year that number of available games will drop.

If this is true we will wish we took the picks if there is not a super bowl victory in there some where.

who is close enough to make a run and believe Jimmy would put them over the top?

New England? Brady aint getting any younger. but that always low first picks and they seldom part with picks. hmmmm rams? mid one this year and next? cards? it will be interesting to see who the suitors are

03-01-2014, 11:19 PM	#1
listill Rookie Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Mobile, AL Posts: 2	Re: Saints could lose Jimmy Graham with non-exclusive tag Highest paid TE sure he deserves that, top wide receiver pay.....no. If they pay him that we won't have an OL so Jimmy won't be catching anything cause Brees will be on his back all game. Like watching him play but 2 first round picks will make me feel better about him leaving. Halo, saintfan and Rugby Saint II like this.

03-02-2014, 08:53 AM	#2
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Saints could lose Jimmy Graham with non-exclusive tag Originally Posted by QBREES9 And who could begrudge Graham? He's been paid a relative pittance so far in his four-year NFL career. He's earned a total of $2.4 million, or about a third of what the Saints paid defensive lineman Brodrick Bunkley the past two seasons alone. Hometown discount? Graham has been giving the Saints one for the past three seasons. Since becoming a full-time starter in 2011, Graham has set new standards for tight end prolificacy. His averages of 90 catches, 1,169 yards and 12 touchdowns over the past three seasons dwarf those of the league's second-best tight end, Rob Gonkowski (61; 903; 10.7), and compare favorably with top wide receivers like Dez Bryant (83; 1,181; 11) and A.J. Green (87; 1,277; 9.6) PAY DA MAN, yeah i said it. Exactly my thought. What do we OWE Jimmy Graham? Yes, HE signed his rookie contract, and who would know how unbelievably great he would turn out? Well, maybe Loomis, who 'gambled' on a 3rd round pick AND had the foresight to offer a 4 year deal. Let's say we do pay him the 12. (obviously we won't). Over the next 4 years, that would make JG's career avg salary $6.3mil. Every team in the league would pay that for his numbers. We look at JG's agent's 'insane' demands and are appalled. Consider it back pay and it's easier to take. Rugby Saint II likes this.

03-02-2014, 09:06 AM	#3
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,757	Re: Saints could lose Jimmy Graham with non-exclusive tag Originally Posted by ScottF Exactly my thought. What do we OWE Jimmy Graham? Yes, HE signed his rookie contract, and who would know how unbelievably great he would turn out? Well, maybe Loomis, who 'gambled' on a 3rd round pick AND had the foresight to offer a 4 year deal. Let's say we do pay him the 12. (obviously we won't). Over the next 4 years, that would make JG's career avg salary $6.3mil. Every team in the league would pay that for his numbers. We look at JG's agent's 'insane' demands and are appalled. Consider it back pay and it's easier to take. Doesn't work that way, unless all the busts are also forced to give the owner back all the money they didn't earn. Rookie contracts are for earning what the owner/GM think you'll be worth. You 2nd/3rd/4th contract is based on what the owner/GM think you'll be worth. The only way to make that a bit more fair is to go to one year contracts for everyone, or base each players pay on what they did the previous season. Play 1st, then get paid for how well you did. Rugby Saint II, FinSaint and lee909 like this.

03-02-2014, 10:34 AM	#4
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Saints could lose Jimmy Graham with non-exclusive tag Originally Posted by Danno Doesn't work that way, unless all the busts are also forced to give the owner back all the money they didn't earn. Rookie contracts are for earning what the owner/GM think you'll be worth. You 2nd/3rd/4th contract is based on what the owner/GM think you'll be worth. The only way to make that a bit more fair is to go to one year contracts for everyone, or base each players pay on what they did the previous season. Play 1st, then get paid for how well you did. Yeah, I know it doesn't... just wanted to give some perspective with all the Graham indignation going on. I like your line of thinking...Can we get Jimmy a signing bonus check with the names Sullivan, Smith or Ellis on the signature line?

03-02-2014, 12:17 PM	#5
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,096	Re: Saints could lose Jimmy Graham with non-exclusive tag Originally Posted by ScottF Exactly my thought. What do we OWE Jimmy Graham? Yes, HE signed his rookie contract, and who would know how unbelievably great he would turn out? Well, maybe Loomis, who 'gambled' on a 3rd round pick AND had the foresight to offer a 4 year deal. Let's say we do pay him the 12. (obviously we won't). Over the next 4 years, that would make JG's career avg salary $6.3mil. Every team in the league would pay that for his numbers. We look at JG's agent's 'insane' demands and are appalled. Consider it back pay and it's easier to take. Consider 8-8 and 9-7 or one and done in the playoffs the residual effect of giving a TE $12 million a year.

03-02-2014, 12:37 PM	#6
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Saints could lose Jimmy Graham with non-exclusive tag Originally Posted by rezburna Consider 8-8 and 9-7 or one and done in the playoffs the residual effect of giving a TE $12 million a year. I am not advocating paying him 12mill. My point is everyone is saying he is crazy bc his is supposedly asking for $4mil more than he is worth, but no one had a problem when he made $4mil less than his worth

03-02-2014, 01:22 PM	#7
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,096	Re: Saints could lose Jimmy Graham with non-exclusive tag Originally Posted by ScottF I am not advocating paying him 12mill. My point is everyone is saying he is crazy bc his is supposedly asking for $4mil more than he is worth, but no one had a problem when he made $4mil less than his worth When he signed the contract nobody knew he'd produce the way he has. I watched him at Miami. Dropped pass after pass. I was pissed we drafted him. He proved me wrong in a lot of ways. I rather have Vernon Davis though. And I agree, nobody had anything to say when he was getting underpaid, but nobody would've been mad if we gave him $7 or $8 million last year or the year before. He knew the whole time he was going to wait until now and chase double figures. In no way do I believe we haven't offered him an extension before this year.
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03-01-2014, 11:42 PM	#8
SaintLeonard Bounty hunter Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Nashville Posts: 490	Re: Saints could lose Jimmy Graham with non-exclusive tag I don't like this.. Hopefully he still ends up a Saint.

03-02-2014, 01:12 AM	#9
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,875 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Saints could lose Jimmy Graham with non-exclusive tag Just looking at teams cap space it wouldn't surprise me if some teams did make a offer though I expect any offer from the Clowns to be after the draft. They will loose White soon and need a TE. Washington has the space but no pick this year. Colts, both New York teams have enough space especially the Jets.Miami need more weapons for Tannehil. Going to be a interesting 2 months that's for sure.I still tjink a deal will be done thst will be a back ended deal to free up space this year and to gradually increase with the cap. Utah_Saint likes this.
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03-02-2014, 04:21 AM	#10
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Saints could lose Jimmy Graham with non-exclusive tag ok lets do this. Finally admit as a TE he suxs. he can not block to save his life As a WR he is the balls. so that means we would basically have 20 million of the cap invested in colston and graham. them add in drew and well dam that is a lot of the cap tied up at three positions but key positions in this offense. Off the three Colston has declined and not been worth the money he has gotten in the last contract. thus the fear we have of jimmy getting the cash. Injuries for both have increased in the past two years which IMO is do to over use. Tall WR and the new rules of tackling have put a self life on these type of players. just to many hits low what a mess. I think the nfl will learn x basketball players types have a very short shelf life in the NFL and the NFL is to blame. so it maybe wise to to think about the two first or sign him to a not so long contract and see how it works out. time it with drews departure. by then i think he will only be good for a set amount of games each year. and every year that number of available games will drop. If this is true we will wish we took the picks if there is not a super bowl victory in there some where. who is close enough to make a run and believe Jimmy would put them over the top? New England? Brady aint getting any younger. but that always low first picks and they seldom part with picks. hmmmm rams? mid one this year and next? cards? it will be interesting to see who the suitors are
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