Rafael Bush Signs Offer Sheet

TheOak · 04-08-2014, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

The decision actually was a full day before the deadline, which is today. Making the decision well before he had to says a lot about it.

My bad, you are correct.

Loomis tendered a guy he wanted to keep on the 6th of March. Bush signs an offer from the Falcons on the 3rd of April, confesses he hopes the Saints do not match the offer on the 4th of April, then Loomis matches the offer on the 7th of April, nearly 24 full hours before the deadline.

That seem correct?

AsylumGuido · 04-08-2014, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

My bad, you are correct.

Loomis tendered a guy he wanted to keep on the 6th of March. Bush signs an offer from the Falcons on the 3rd of April, confesses he hopes the Saints do not match the offer on the 4th of April, then Loomis matches the offer on the 7th of April, nearly 24 full hours before the deadline.

That seem correct?

Not quite, nowhere is there any proof that Bush ever stated anything about not wanting the Saints to match the offer. The ONLY reference to that came from an NFL source. That means either someone from the league office or one of the teams themselves. I seriously doubt the league office would say something like that and the Saints surely wouldn't. Now, who else would have a vested interest in the Saints not matching the deal?

Right!

Only the Falcons!

TheOak · 04-08-2014, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Not quite, nowhere is there any proof that Bush ever stated anything about not wanting the Saints to match the offer. The ONLY reference to that came from an NFL source. That means either someone from the league office or one of the teams themselves. I seriously doubt the league office would say something like that and the Saints surely wouldn't. Now, who else would have a vested interest in the Saints not matching the deal?

Right!

Only the Falcons!

I also have not seen the Falcons offer sheet personally so that was probably a farce also. Is there a video of Dimitroff stating he offered Bush a contract? I do not see a tweet from Bush stating that he did.

Some of these "there is no proof" arguments remind me of Seahawks fans demanding a police report.. Before the internet, nothing happened.

|Mitch| · 04-08-2014, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Before the internet, nothing happened.

I was always told: "Where there's smoke, there's a fire"

AsylumGuido · 04-08-2014, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

I was always told: "Where there's smoke, there's a fire"

Sometimes there is smoke being put out there wanting people to believe there is a fire.

|Mitch| · 04-08-2014, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Sometimes there is smoke being put out there wanting people to believe there is a fire.

No way to know unless the "league sources" are known... doesn't matter though we have Bush for 2 years regardless

AsylumGuido · 04-08-2014, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

No way to know unless the "league sources" are known... doesn't matter though we have Bush for 2 years regardless

As I pointed out earlier, it is pretty easy to figure out who the NFL source is. NFL source would not refer to the player, his agent or the players union. That leaves either the league office or one of the franchises. This would not be a subject you would ever expect the league to speak on. That leaves the team's front offices. It makes no sense for the Saints, or any other franchise, to put this out there. That leaves one solitary plausible source ... the Falcons. Not only would they have the motive, but they would have the access as the Advocate writer would have undoubtedly contacted them regarding the story.

TheOak · 04-08-2014, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Of course, an offer sheet has to be filed with the league and it was confirmed by many official outlets. The claim that Bush didn't want the Saints to match was solely from one single writer with the Advocate that credited an NFL source alone. There was no confirmation or any other outlet that credited any source as saying the same thing.

But, I am wondering, why are you wanting to believe so badly that Bush doesn't want to be a Saint?

Same reason you are believing that Bush wanted to stay a back-up.

AsylumGuido · 04-08-2014, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Same reason you are believing that Bush wanted to stay a back-up.

No. Not a back-up. He's likely to play a great deal in the 4-2-5/3-3-5 and stands a far greater chance at getting a ring than he would in Atlanta. Besides, there was no guarantee he would be a starter in Atlanta regardless of what they implied. I believe absolutely he would like to be a starter, but not bad enough to be an issue whatsoever with the Saints.

AsylumGuido · 04-08-2014, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

I also have not seen the Falcons offer sheet personally so that was probably a farce also. Is there a video of Dimitroff stating he offered Bush a contract? I do not see a tweet from Bush stating that he did.

Some of these "there is no proof" arguments remind me of Seahawks fans demanding a police report.. Before the internet, nothing happened.

Of course, an offer sheet has to be filed with the league and it was confirmed by many official outlets. The claim that Bush didn't want the Saints to match was solely from one single writer with the Advocate that credited an NFL source alone. There was no confirmation or any other outlet that credited any source as saying the same thing.

But, I am wondering, why are you wanting to believe so badly that Bush doesn't want to be a Saint?

04-08-2014, 11:57 AM	#1
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Rafael Bush Signs Offer Sheet Originally Posted by AsylumGuido The decision actually was a full day before the deadline, which is today. Making the decision well before he had to says a lot about it. My bad, you are correct. Loomis tendered a guy he wanted to keep on the 6th of March. Bush signs an offer from the Falcons on the 3rd of April, confesses he hopes the Saints do not match the offer on the 4th of April, then Loomis matches the offer on the 7th of April, nearly 24 full hours before the deadline. That seem correct?

04-08-2014, 12:36 PM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Rafael Bush Signs Offer Sheet Originally Posted by TheOak My bad, you are correct. Loomis tendered a guy he wanted to keep on the 6th of March. Bush signs an offer from the Falcons on the 3rd of April, confesses he hopes the Saints do not match the offer on the 4th of April, then Loomis matches the offer on the 7th of April, nearly 24 full hours before the deadline. That seem correct? Not quite, nowhere is there any proof that Bush ever stated anything about not wanting the Saints to match the offer. The ONLY reference to that came from an NFL source. That means either someone from the league office or one of the teams themselves. I seriously doubt the league office would say something like that and the Saints surely wouldn't. Now, who else would have a vested interest in the Saints not matching the deal? Right! Only the Falcons!

04-08-2014, 01:11 PM	#3
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Rafael Bush Signs Offer Sheet Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Not quite, nowhere is there any proof that Bush ever stated anything about not wanting the Saints to match the offer. The ONLY reference to that came from an NFL source. That means either someone from the league office or one of the teams themselves. I seriously doubt the league office would say something like that and the Saints surely wouldn't. Now, who else would have a vested interest in the Saints not matching the deal? Right! Only the Falcons! I also have not seen the Falcons offer sheet personally so that was probably a farce also. Is there a video of Dimitroff stating he offered Bush a contract? I do not see a tweet from Bush stating that he did. Some of these "there is no proof" arguments remind me of Seahawks fans demanding a police report.. Before the internet, nothing happened.

04-08-2014, 01:18 PM	#4
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Rafael Bush Signs Offer Sheet Originally Posted by TheOak Before the internet, nothing happened. I was always told: "Where there's smoke, there's a fire"

04-08-2014, 01:21 PM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Rafael Bush Signs Offer Sheet Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| I was always told: "Where there's smoke, there's a fire" Sometimes there is smoke being put out there wanting people to believe there is a fire.

04-08-2014, 01:28 PM	#6
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Rafael Bush Signs Offer Sheet Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Sometimes there is smoke being put out there wanting people to believe there is a fire. No way to know unless the "league sources" are known... doesn't matter though we have Bush for 2 years regardless

04-08-2014, 01:35 PM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Rafael Bush Signs Offer Sheet Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| No way to know unless the "league sources" are known... doesn't matter though we have Bush for 2 years regardless As I pointed out earlier, it is pretty easy to figure out who the NFL source is. NFL source would not refer to the player, his agent or the players union. That leaves either the league office or one of the franchises. This would not be a subject you would ever expect the league to speak on. That leaves the team's front offices. It makes no sense for the Saints, or any other franchise, to put this out there. That leaves one solitary plausible source ... the Falcons. Not only would they have the motive, but they would have the access as the Advocate writer would have undoubtedly contacted them regarding the story.

04-08-2014, 02:12 PM	#8
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Rafael Bush Signs Offer Sheet Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Of course, an offer sheet has to be filed with the league and it was confirmed by many official outlets. The claim that Bush didn't want the Saints to match was solely from one single writer with the Advocate that credited an NFL source alone. There was no confirmation or any other outlet that credited any source as saying the same thing. But, I am wondering, why are you wanting to believe so badly that Bush doesn't want to be a Saint? Same reason you are believing that Bush wanted to stay a back-up.

04-08-2014, 02:17 PM	#9
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Rafael Bush Signs Offer Sheet Originally Posted by TheOak Same reason you are believing that Bush wanted to stay a back-up. No. Not a back-up. He's likely to play a great deal in the 4-2-5/3-3-5 and stands a far greater chance at getting a ring than he would in Atlanta. Besides, there was no guarantee he would be a starter in Atlanta regardless of what they implied. I believe absolutely he would like to be a starter, but not bad enough to be an issue whatsoever with the Saints.
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04-08-2014, 01:20 PM	#10
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Rafael Bush Signs Offer Sheet Originally Posted by TheOak I also have not seen the Falcons offer sheet personally so that was probably a farce also. Is there a video of Dimitroff stating he offered Bush a contract? I do not see a tweet from Bush stating that he did. Some of these "there is no proof" arguments remind me of Seahawks fans demanding a police report.. Before the internet, nothing happened. Of course, an offer sheet has to be filed with the league and it was confirmed by many official outlets. The claim that Bush didn't want the Saints to match was solely from one single writer with the Advocate that credited an NFL source alone. There was no confirmation or any other outlet that credited any source as saying the same thing. But, I am wondering, why are you wanting to believe so badly that Bush doesn't want to be a Saint?

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