Rumor: We matched offer for Bush

|Mitch| · 04-07-2014, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Wasn't it Bush that wanted to be let go?

He was hoping they wouldn't match because he wanted the chance to start...

TheOak · 04-08-2014, 05:49 AM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

He was hoping they wouldn't match because he wanted the chance to start...

I seem to be in the minority. I'm not very find of a deal where Loomis pays more than he wanted to for a player that was vocal about not being re-signed.

Somehow Darren Sproles is not worth 3.7m/year but Rafael Bush is worth 2.25m/year.

AsylumGuido · 04-08-2014, 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

I seem to be in the minority. I'm not very find of a deal where Loomis pays more than he wanted to for a player that was vocal about not being re-signed.

Somehow Darren Sproles is not worth 3.7m/year but Rafael Bush is worth 2.25m/year.

I don't think that was more than Loomis was willing to pay for Bush at all. I believe he took a chance on Bush not getting an offer sheet to save a few bucks. If Loomis didn't want him he would not have tendered him in the first place.

As for Bush being vocal about not being re-signed, what exactly did he say that was nothing more than making the best out of the situation he was dealt (ie. receiving the offer)?

AsylumGuido · 04-08-2014, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I don't think that was more than Loomis was willing to pay for Bush at all. I believe he took a chance on Bush not getting an offer sheet to save a few bucks. If Loomis didn't want him he would not have tendered him in the first place.

As for Bush being vocal about not being re-signed, what exactly did he say that was nothing more than making the best out of the situation he was dealt (ie. receiving the offer)?

I am serious about this. I have not been able to find any quote from Bush on not wanting to remain with the Saints. A writer in one article implied that was how Bush felt, but that was most likely his opinion on how Bush would feel.

The only quotes on the subject that I read directly attributed to Bush indicated how excited he was to get to play alongside Vacarro and Byrd.

AsylumGuido · 04-08-2014, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I am serious about this. I have not been able to find any quote from Bush on not wanting to remain with the Saints. A writer in one article implied that was how Bush felt, but that was most likely his opinion on how Bush would feel.

The only quotes on the subject that I read directly attributed to Bush indicated how excited he was to get to play alongside Vacarro and Byrd.

Okay, this is the ONLY mention that I could find:

NFL source: Rafael Bush hoping for shot at starting role with Falcons

Bush signed the offer sheet. The Saints can keep him if they match the Falcons’ offer sheet by Tuesday. But Bush would prefer it if New Orleans let him move on, the source said.

It’s nothing personal against the Saints, who in March extended Bush a one-year, $1.4 million tender that ensured they would have the chance to match any offer sheet the safety signed, the source said.

According to the source, in Atlanta, Bush is being offered a chance to be a starting safety alongside William Moore, a friend. The Falcons’ release in February of safety Thomas DeCoud, a starter since 2009, created the opportunity.

“Atlanta is a better situation for Rafael Bush to have a starting role in the defense,” the source said. “It is a better situation for his career and for his family,” especially financially.

There is a very good chance the "source" was someone from the Falcons' front office.

As far as I can tell, Rafael Bush never said anything about not wanting the Saints to match the offer. Nothing at all.

|Mitch| · 04-08-2014, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

As far as I can tell, Rafael Bush never said anything about not wanting the Saints to match the offer. Nothing at all.

He did; he said that he hoped the Saints would not match the offer because he wanted the opportunity to start.

TheOak · 04-08-2014, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

There is a very good chance the "source" was someone from the Falcons' front office.

As far as I can tell, Rafael Bush never said anything about not wanting the Saints to match the offer. Nothing at all.

You may have not used the correct search terms. Not all of us are school yard tikes spreading Falcon lore.

Roto
Restricted free agent S Rafael Bush would prefer if the Saints didn't match the two-year, $4.5 million offer sheet he received from the Falcons.
New Orleans Saints Team News - Rotoworld.com
Rafael Bush - New Orleans Saints - 2014 Player Profile - Rotoworld.com
There are more sources if you need them.

I never said anything about "willing to pay", obviously he is willing to pay more if he matched it. I said "want to pay", if Loomis wanted to pay Bush that much he would have and not tendered him a RFA.

2.25m/ year for a non starting Safety close to what Vaccaro makes, and puts Rafeal Bush in the top 31 Safetys for average pay, and puts the Saints paying more for Safetys than any other team in the league.
2014 NFL Top Average Salaries - Safety

AsylumGuido · 04-08-2014, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

You may have not used the correct search terms. Not all of us are school yard tikes spreading Falcon lore.

Roto
Restricted free agent S Rafael Bush would prefer if the Saints didn't match the two-year, $4.5 million offer sheet he received from the Falcons.
New Orleans Saints Team News - Rotoworld.com
Rafael Bush - New Orleans Saints - 2014 Player Profile - Rotoworld.com
There are more sources if you need them.

I never said anything about "willing to pay", obviously he is willing to pay more if he matched it. I said "want to pay", if Loomis wanted to pay Bush that much he would have and not tendered him a RFA.

2.25m/ year for a non starting Safety close to what Vaccaro makes, and puts Rafeal Bush in the top 31 Safetys for average pay, and puts the Saints paying more for Safetys than any other team in the league.
2014 NFL Top Average Salaries - Safety

Neither of those two sources do anything but parrot the article that I referenced with "the source". I know how to search and I have still not been shown an actual quote from Bush. You can't be "vocal" without actually speaking. I have seen actual quotes by Bush saying he was excited about remaining a Saints, however.

The only way Loomis could have signed him would have been to amount no less than a second level tender, which is is $2.2M. No agent in his right mind would settle for less than that knowing he would be able to shop him. Why not take a chance and try to save $800K?

Jack Vegas · 04-08-2014, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

I seem to be in the minority. I'm not very find of a deal where Loomis pays more than he wanted to for a player that was vocal about not being re-signed.

Somehow Darren Sproles is not worth 3.7m/year but Rafael Bush is worth 2.25m/year.

Safety is becoming a very valuable position in today's NFL. | SportsonEarth.com : Dan Pompei Article

"There was a time when that money might have gone to running backs in free agency," said Saints coach Sean Payton, whose team gave Jairus Byrd more guaranteed money -- $26.3 million -- than any team ever has given a safety.

Some teams are getting greedy with safeties, stockpiling them like cases of water before a storm. Dominik points out some teams want three safeties who can play, as they are looking at athletic safeties as nickel defenders. The benefit is the safety typically is a better tackler than a cornerback would be, and he gives the defense more versatility in terms of matchups with tight ends. The Saints last year used a three safety package quite a bit in response to injury issues at other positions.

04-07-2014, 03:38 PM	#1
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Rumor: We matched offer for Bush Originally Posted by TheOak Wasn't it Bush that wanted to be let go? He was hoping they wouldn't match because he wanted the chance to start...

04-08-2014, 05:49 AM	#2
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,043	Re: Rumor: We matched offer for Bush Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| He was hoping they wouldn't match because he wanted the chance to start... I seem to be in the minority. I'm not very find of a deal where Loomis pays more than he wanted to for a player that was vocal about not being re-signed. Somehow Darren Sproles is not worth 3.7m/year but Rafael Bush is worth 2.25m/year. SapperSaint likes this.

04-08-2014, 10:49 AM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: Rumor: We matched offer for Bush Originally Posted by TheOak I seem to be in the minority. I'm not very find of a deal where Loomis pays more than he wanted to for a player that was vocal about not being re-signed. Somehow Darren Sproles is not worth 3.7m/year but Rafael Bush is worth 2.25m/year. I don't think that was more than Loomis was willing to pay for Bush at all. I believe he took a chance on Bush not getting an offer sheet to save a few bucks. If Loomis didn't want him he would not have tendered him in the first place. As for Bush being vocal about not being re-signed, what exactly did he say that was nothing more than making the best out of the situation he was dealt (ie. receiving the offer)?

04-08-2014, 11:00 AM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: Rumor: We matched offer for Bush Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I don't think that was more than Loomis was willing to pay for Bush at all. I believe he took a chance on Bush not getting an offer sheet to save a few bucks. If Loomis didn't want him he would not have tendered him in the first place. As for Bush being vocal about not being re-signed, what exactly did he say that was nothing more than making the best out of the situation he was dealt (ie. receiving the offer)? I am serious about this. I have not been able to find any quote from Bush on not wanting to remain with the Saints. A writer in one article implied that was how Bush felt, but that was most likely his opinion on how Bush would feel. The only quotes on the subject that I read directly attributed to Bush indicated how excited he was to get to play alongside Vacarro and Byrd.

04-08-2014, 11:18 AM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: Rumor: We matched offer for Bush Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I am serious about this. I have not been able to find any quote from Bush on not wanting to remain with the Saints. A writer in one article implied that was how Bush felt, but that was most likely his opinion on how Bush would feel. The only quotes on the subject that I read directly attributed to Bush indicated how excited he was to get to play alongside Vacarro and Byrd. Okay, this is the ONLY mention that I could find: NFL source: Rafael Bush hoping for shot at starting role with Falcons Bush signed the offer sheet. The Saints can keep him if they match the Falcons’ offer sheet by Tuesday. But Bush would prefer it if New Orleans let him move on, the source said. It’s nothing personal against the Saints, who in March extended Bush a one-year, $1.4 million tender that ensured they would have the chance to match any offer sheet the safety signed, the source said. According to the source, in Atlanta, Bush is being offered a chance to be a starting safety alongside William Moore, a friend. The Falcons’ release in February of safety Thomas DeCoud, a starter since 2009, created the opportunity. “Atlanta is a better situation for Rafael Bush to have a starting role in the defense,” the source said. “It is a better situation for his career and for his family,” especially financially. There is a very good chance the "source" was someone from the Falcons' front office. As far as I can tell, Rafael Bush never said anything about not wanting the Saints to match the offer. Nothing at all.

04-08-2014, 11:20 AM	#6
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Rumor: We matched offer for Bush Originally Posted by AsylumGuido As far as I can tell, Rafael Bush never said anything about not wanting the Saints to match the offer. Nothing at all. He did; he said that he hoped the Saints would not match the offer because he wanted the opportunity to start. TheOak likes this.

04-08-2014, 11:32 AM	#7
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,043	Re: Rumor: We matched offer for Bush Originally Posted by AsylumGuido There is a very good chance the "source" was someone from the Falcons' front office. As far as I can tell, Rafael Bush never said anything about not wanting the Saints to match the offer. Nothing at all. You may have not used the correct search terms. Not all of us are school yard tikes spreading Falcon lore. Roto Restricted free agent S Rafael Bush would prefer if the Saints didn't match the two-year, $4.5 million offer sheet he received from the Falcons. New Orleans Saints Team News - Rotoworld.com Rafael Bush - New Orleans Saints - 2014 Player Profile - Rotoworld.com There are more sources if you need them. I never said anything about "willing to pay", obviously he is willing to pay more if he matched it. I said "want to pay", if Loomis wanted to pay Bush that much he would have and not tendered him a RFA. 2.25m/ year for a non starting Safety close to what Vaccaro makes, and puts Rafeal Bush in the top 31 Safetys for average pay, and puts the Saints paying more for Safetys than any other team in the league. 2014 NFL Top Average Salaries - Safety
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

04-08-2014, 12:15 PM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: Rumor: We matched offer for Bush Originally Posted by TheOak You may have not used the correct search terms. Not all of us are school yard tikes spreading Falcon lore. Roto Restricted free agent S Rafael Bush would prefer if the Saints didn't match the two-year, $4.5 million offer sheet he received from the Falcons. New Orleans Saints Team News - Rotoworld.com Rafael Bush - New Orleans Saints - 2014 Player Profile - Rotoworld.com There are more sources if you need them. I never said anything about "willing to pay", obviously he is willing to pay more if he matched it. I said "want to pay", if Loomis wanted to pay Bush that much he would have and not tendered him a RFA. 2.25m/ year for a non starting Safety close to what Vaccaro makes, and puts Rafeal Bush in the top 31 Safetys for average pay, and puts the Saints paying more for Safetys than any other team in the league. 2014 NFL Top Average Salaries - Safety Neither of those two sources do anything but parrot the article that I referenced with "the source". I know how to search and I have still not been shown an actual quote from Bush. You can't be "vocal" without actually speaking. I have seen actual quotes by Bush saying he was excited about remaining a Saints, however. The only way Loomis could have signed him would have been to amount no less than a second level tender, which is is $2.2M. No agent in his right mind would settle for less than that knowing he would be able to shop him. Why not take a chance and try to save $800K?

04-08-2014, 11:17 AM	#9
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: Rumor: We matched offer for Bush Originally Posted by TheOak I seem to be in the minority. I'm not very find of a deal where Loomis pays more than he wanted to for a player that was vocal about not being re-signed. Somehow Darren Sproles is not worth 3.7m/year but Rafael Bush is worth 2.25m/year. Safety is becoming a very valuable position in today's NFL. \| SportsonEarth.com : Dan Pompei Article "There was a time when that money might have gone to running backs in free agency," said Saints coach Sean Payton, whose team gave Jairus Byrd more guaranteed money -- $26.3 million -- than any team ever has given a safety. Some teams are getting greedy with safeties, stockpiling them like cases of water before a storm. Dominik points out some teams want three safeties who can play, as they are looking at athletic safeties as nickel defenders. The benefit is the safety typically is a better tackler than a cornerback would be, and he gives the defense more versatility in terms of matchups with tight ends. The Saints last year used a three safety package quite a bit in response to injury issues at other positions.
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