In the First Round, Saints Pick Wide Reciever Brandin Cooks

Danno · 05-09-2014, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

So being considered a dynamite WR is more reliable than being considered a dynamite RB?

Those who are in love with this pick are missing the point by those of us who aren't. It's not that he's a bad player, or that he won't fit in. But it doesn't seem, to me at least, that we needed to trade up in order to get him. But people say "oh he's so fast, he's gonna be the new sproles". Cooks is not a running back, therefore when he's on the field there won't be any mystery as to what he's out there for. Other than the occasional reverse play.

All the can't miss talk means nothing to me. I've heard it before. I do think he'll be a good player, for what it's worth, but this is way too much hype for me.

Its the day after, of course everyone is excited and we're simply stating what he could be.

Would you rather we, after every pick state "stats show he's likely gonna be a bust, so I just can't get excited"?

Its freaking NFL Christmas, quit pissin on my new toy!

burningmetal · 05-09-2014, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Its the day after, of course everyone is excited and we're simply stating what he could be.

Would you rather we, after every pick state "stats show he's likely gonna be a bust, so I just can't get excited"?

Its freaking NFL Christmas, quit pissin on my new toy!

I'm not pissing on your new toy Danno. I would like to share your excitement. I am trying to shift my mood toward optimism, as I think he has potential. But this is not about people's excitement.

It's more about being tired of being told that Payton and Loomis are geniuses after every pick by certain people, when I and others think that just maybe it wasn't the best idea. I felt like we either could have gotten a better player or maybe Cooks, himself, would have still been there at 27 if they wanted him so bad. losing a 3rd rounder might not sound like a big deal to some, but I think we could have used that pick to maybe trade up late into the 2nd round for another pick there. I like the depth of this draft more than most and would've liked a little more quantity. But again, Cooks is here, and I'm now one of his fans.

TheOak · 05-09-2014, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

It's more about being tired of being told that Payton and Loomis are geniuses after every pick by certain people, when I and others think that just maybe it wasn't the best idea. I felt like we either could have gotten a better player or maybe Cooks, himself, would have still been there at 27 if they wanted him so bad. losing a 3rd rounder might not sound like a big deal to some, but I think we could have used that pick to maybe trade up late into the 2nd round for another pick there.

I like the depth of this draft more than most and would've liked a little more quantity.

1. You "felt you could have gotten Cooks @27 "based on what?

Obviously Loomis/Payton had a reason to jump and secure him. I'm going to have to side with the two men responsible for bringing us a Super Bowl and do this for a living.

2. Your "tired of being told that Loomis and Payton are geniuses". That goes against wanting quantity over quality.

Wanting quantity over quality tells me you believe he is a genius and can make a silk purse out of 2 sows ears.

Or you just felt it should go one way and it didn't so your down on the pick?

burningmetal · 05-09-2014, 09:23 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

1. You "felt you could have gotten Cooks @27 "based on what?

Obviously Loomis/Payton had a reason to jump and secure him. I'm going to have to side with the two men responsible for bringing us a Super Bowl and do this for a living.

2. Your "tired of being told that Loomis and Payton are geniuses". That goes against wanting quantity over quality.

Wanting quantity over quality tells me you believe he is a genius and can make a silk purse out of 2 sows ears.

Or you just felt it should go one way and it didn't so your down on the pick?

You never cease to make amaze me at your lack of comprehension to everything I have to say. I didn't say "I felt we could have gotten cooks at 27". I said I felt we could have gotten a better player OR even gotten Cooks at 27. That means if we were going to trade up, I think there were better players available, but if they wanted cooks they could have waited. It's obvious however, that the Saints weren't willing to take that risk. I don't value Cooks the way they do, make sense? You trust the guys who brought us a Super Bowl, yet these are the same one's who drafted Meachem in the first round. How did that work out? I'm not saying Cooks will be a bust, but I am saying that just because we've won a superbowl doesn't mean our front office doesn't make mistakes, and because of that I don't feel the need to just automatically trust whatever they do because you think I should.

And in another thing you failed to read and comprehend properly: I didn't say anything about "quantity OVER quality". I said I would have liked a little more quantity. Period. I'm all for trading up for a need. Cooks is a nice player but doesn't fill that much of a need. We don't have many glaring needs. So given that luxury I would have personally rathered to sit back at 27 and either keep that 3rd rounder or maybe trade into the second with it. Why? Because when you get out of the second round the talent starts to fade, obviously. It would just depend on who's still available.

That doesn't mean that they'll hit a home run with both, or either of those picks. It simply provides more opportunities to find someone who WILL be good. I don't think that's a hard concept to understand. I just think you hate it when I disagree with the Saints. It's just my opinion, pal. It's not like either of us can change anything.

Mr.Riaton · 05-09-2014, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I'm not pissing on your new toy Danno. I would like to share your excitement. I am trying to shift my mood toward optimism, as I think he has potential. But this is not about people's excitement.

It's more about being tired of being told that Payton and Loomis are geniuses after every pick by certain people, when I and others think that just maybe it wasn't the best idea. I felt like we either could have gotten a better player or maybe Cooks, himself, would have still been there at 27 if they wanted him so bad. losing a 3rd rounder might not sound like a big deal to some, but I think we could have used that pick to maybe trade up late into the 2nd round for another pick there. I like the depth of this draft more than most and would've liked a little more quantity. But again, Cooks is here, and I'm now one of his fans.

Another thing,why is it ok to trade our third to move back up in the second,but not for a higher position in the first? It would take more than just a third to move back up in the second...unless you would be ok with trading our second and third for a second...

burningmetal · 05-09-2014, 09:34 PM

Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton

Another thing,why is it ok to trade our third to move back up in the second,but not for a higher position in the first? It would take more than just a third to move back up in the second...unless you would be ok with trading our second and third for a second...

I'm aware that it might take more than just the third to move up. Late in the second round like that you might find a team that's willing to move back a little for maybe a third and 4th or 5th rounder. I'm ok with that. It's the frontline depth I'm interested in. I don't care much about the later rounds, though there have been exceptions. And those exceptions are why I also wouldn't have minded keeping the 3rd rounder and not trading up in the first place. This is based on my belief that WR was not a big enough need to trade up for. There were others. But I would have preferred a corner. I guess we'll see how jean-baptiste does now.

05-09-2014, 04:00 PM	#1
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,748	Re: In the First Round, Saints Pick Wide Reciever Brandin Cooks Originally Posted by burningmetal So being considered a dynamite WR is more reliable than being considered a dynamite RB? Those who are in love with this pick are missing the point by those of us who aren't. It's not that he's a bad player, or that he won't fit in. But it doesn't seem, to me at least, that we needed to trade up in order to get him. But people say "oh he's so fast, he's gonna be the new sproles". Cooks is not a running back, therefore when he's on the field there won't be any mystery as to what he's out there for. Other than the occasional reverse play. All the can't miss talk means nothing to me. I've heard it before. I do think he'll be a good player, for what it's worth, but this is way too much hype for me. Its the day after, of course everyone is excited and we're simply stating what he could be. Would you rather we, after every pick state "stats show he's likely gonna be a bust, so I just can't get excited"? Its freaking NFL Christmas, quit pissin on my new toy! mleg1972, exile, dizzle88 and 1 others like this.

05-09-2014, 04:27 PM	#2
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: In the First Round, Saints Pick Wide Reciever Brandin Cooks Originally Posted by Danno Its the day after, of course everyone is excited and we're simply stating what he could be. Would you rather we, after every pick state "stats show he's likely gonna be a bust, so I just can't get excited"? Its freaking NFL Christmas, quit pissin on my new toy! I'm not pissing on your new toy Danno. I would like to share your excitement. I am trying to shift my mood toward optimism, as I think he has potential. But this is not about people's excitement. It's more about being tired of being told that Payton and Loomis are geniuses after every pick by certain people, when I and others think that just maybe it wasn't the best idea. I felt like we either could have gotten a better player or maybe Cooks, himself, would have still been there at 27 if they wanted him so bad. losing a 3rd rounder might not sound like a big deal to some, but I think we could have used that pick to maybe trade up late into the 2nd round for another pick there. I like the depth of this draft more than most and would've liked a little more quantity. But again, Cooks is here, and I'm now one of his fans. Papa Voodoo likes this.
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05-09-2014, 05:34 PM	#3
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Re: In the First Round, Saints Pick Wide Reciever Brandin Cooks Originally Posted by burningmetal It's more about being tired of being told that Payton and Loomis are geniuses after every pick by certain people, when I and others think that just maybe it wasn't the best idea. I felt like we either could have gotten a better player or maybe Cooks, himself, would have still been there at 27 if they wanted him so bad. losing a 3rd rounder might not sound like a big deal to some, but I think we could have used that pick to maybe trade up late into the 2nd round for another pick there. I like the depth of this draft more than most and would've liked a little more quantity. 1. You "felt you could have gotten Cooks @27 "based on what? Obviously Loomis/Payton had a reason to jump and secure him. I'm going to have to side with the two men responsible for bringing us a Super Bowl and do this for a living. 2. Your "tired of being told that Loomis and Payton are geniuses". That goes against wanting quantity over quality. Wanting quantity over quality tells me you believe he is a genius and can make a silk purse out of 2 sows ears. Or you just felt it should go one way and it didn't so your down on the pick?
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05-09-2014, 09:23 PM	#4
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: In the First Round, Saints Pick Wide Reciever Brandin Cooks Originally Posted by TheOak 1. You "felt you could have gotten Cooks @27 "based on what? Obviously Loomis/Payton had a reason to jump and secure him. I'm going to have to side with the two men responsible for bringing us a Super Bowl and do this for a living. 2. Your "tired of being told that Loomis and Payton are geniuses". That goes against wanting quantity over quality. Wanting quantity over quality tells me you believe he is a genius and can make a silk purse out of 2 sows ears. Or you just felt it should go one way and it didn't so your down on the pick? You never cease to make amaze me at your lack of comprehension to everything I have to say. I didn't say "I felt we could have gotten cooks at 27". I said I felt we could have gotten a better player OR even gotten Cooks at 27. That means if we were going to trade up, I think there were better players available, but if they wanted cooks they could have waited. It's obvious however, that the Saints weren't willing to take that risk. I don't value Cooks the way they do, make sense? You trust the guys who brought us a Super Bowl, yet these are the same one's who drafted Meachem in the first round. How did that work out? I'm not saying Cooks will be a bust, but I am saying that just because we've won a superbowl doesn't mean our front office doesn't make mistakes, and because of that I don't feel the need to just automatically trust whatever they do because you think I should. And in another thing you failed to read and comprehend properly: I didn't say anything about "quantity OVER quality". I said I would have liked a little more quantity. Period. I'm all for trading up for a need. Cooks is a nice player but doesn't fill that much of a need. We don't have many glaring needs. So given that luxury I would have personally rathered to sit back at 27 and either keep that 3rd rounder or maybe trade into the second with it. Why? Because when you get out of the second round the talent starts to fade, obviously. It would just depend on who's still available. That doesn't mean that they'll hit a home run with both, or either of those picks. It simply provides more opportunities to find someone who WILL be good. I don't think that's a hard concept to understand. I just think you hate it when I disagree with the Saints. It's just my opinion, pal. It's not like either of us can change anything.
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05-09-2014, 05:42 PM	#5
Mr.Riaton 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Broussard,La. Posts: 1,291	Re: In the First Round, Saints Pick Wide Reciever Brandin Cooks Originally Posted by burningmetal I'm not pissing on your new toy Danno. I would like to share your excitement. I am trying to shift my mood toward optimism, as I think he has potential. But this is not about people's excitement. It's more about being tired of being told that Payton and Loomis are geniuses after every pick by certain people, when I and others think that just maybe it wasn't the best idea. I felt like we either could have gotten a better player or maybe Cooks, himself, would have still been there at 27 if they wanted him so bad. losing a 3rd rounder might not sound like a big deal to some, but I think we could have used that pick to maybe trade up late into the 2nd round for another pick there. I like the depth of this draft more than most and would've liked a little more quantity. But again, Cooks is here, and I'm now one of his fans. Another thing,why is it ok to trade our third to move back up in the second,but not for a higher position in the first? It would take more than just a third to move back up in the second...unless you would be ok with trading our second and third for a second...

05-09-2014, 09:34 PM	#6
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: In the First Round, Saints Pick Wide Reciever Brandin Cooks Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton Another thing,why is it ok to trade our third to move back up in the second,but not for a higher position in the first? It would take more than just a third to move back up in the second...unless you would be ok with trading our second and third for a second... I'm aware that it might take more than just the third to move up. Late in the second round like that you might find a team that's willing to move back a little for maybe a third and 4th or 5th rounder. I'm ok with that. It's the frontline depth I'm interested in. I don't care much about the later rounds, though there have been exceptions. And those exceptions are why I also wouldn't have minded keeping the 3rd rounder and not trading up in the first place. This is based on my belief that WR was not a big enough need to trade up for. There were others. But I would have preferred a corner. I guess we'll see how jean-baptiste does now.
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