I don't like the trade

TheOak · 05-10-2014, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

When you review the entire body of work of Loomis/Payton in regards to personnel and draft, they're like a powerful fourth hole hitter in Baseball...

There average is lower than most, but they do hit some homeruns...

That was an amazing draft last year...

But their flaw is they do get fixated on a player and tend to make mistakes...

The Saints were convinced Glenn Dorsey and Jeremy Shockey additions would propel them past Chicago in the playoffs...

Well they overpaid the Giants for Shockey and panicked when Chiefs' Carl Peterson sensed the desperation for Dorsey and tried to extort them...

Saints FO fell back, but still smarting, made the horrible mistake of trading with the Pats to get Ellis...

Probably passing on a great linebacker in Jerrod Mayo and could have let the Bengals spare us Ellis and his lame, lazy-@$$ game...

Just because some don't drink the coolaid, that doesn't mean they're less a fan - some just question - and that is a good thing...

Hind sight brother, it's crystal clear 5 years later. You've not once been high on a player pre-draft and 4 years later he was no longer in the NFL? Sean and Loomis have brought us the best 8 years of Saints football in history. There is no consistent perfection on the NFL, if there is I challenge you to point it out.

Shockey played his part in a Super Bowl win.

mighty12 · 05-10-2014, 10:00 AM

Here is why it is a good trade......most other positions fill 1 role, especially center. Cooks fills a couple positions of need. WR opposite Colston, return man, Scat back. Those positions were lost when Moore and Sproles were let go and now we have 1 player that can fill it instead of 2 or 3. As someone stated a roster is 53 players so the more versatile players are a better fit especially with this team. Also, he would not have been there at 27 because Philadelphia wanted him to replace Desean jackson.

With all that said, if the Saints would have done what you wanted them to do, who are your picks at those selections? I am not trying to be contrarian. I want to know who you would have wanted with those 3 extra picks?

Danno · 05-10-2014, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by mighty12

Here is why it is a good trade......most other positions fill 1 role, especially center. Cooks fills a couple positions of need. WR opposite Colston, return man, Scat back. Those positions were lost when Moore and Sproles were let go and now we have 1 player that can fill it instead of 2 or 3. As someone stated a roster is 53 players so the more versatile players are a better fit especially with this team. Also, he would not have been there at 27 because Philadelphia wanted him to replace Desean jackson.

With all that said, if the Saints would have done what you wanted them to do, who are your picks at those selections? I am not trying to be contrarian. I want to know who you would have wanted with those 3 extra picks?

Agreed, the draft is loaded with JAGS, a Bill Parcells term for "just a guy". A lot of picks helps teams that are building. We aren't a team that's building, we're a team re-loading.

We identified a guy that we think is a real difference maker, not "just a guy" to fill a hole somewhere.

If we had 12 picks I'd estimate 6 wouldn't even make this team.

I understand the quantity over quality strategy too, and its a solid strategy too.

I love the pick, and losing a 3rd rounder isn't much of a price to pay for a guy we think will be a star.

AsylumGuido · 05-10-2014, 10:16 AM

Call me crazy, but for some unknown reason I have this sneaking suspicion that Mickey Loomis and Sean Payton know a tad bit more about NFL player personnel decisions than our new friend Gumbeauxx and our old friend Jean-Pierre combined.

If Payton and Loomis feel that an undrafted free agent lineman can assume the duties sufficiently at center then I trust them. I suspect that they may have spent a few more minutes observing his progress up close and personal than our two cronies. Or perhaps, Loomis and Payton may have other ideas about handling the center position in mind which they have yet to approach our local forum experts for their valuable input.

I understand that the team of Loomis and Payton are new to this NFL thingy and have only managed one measly Super Bowl win, but I feel we should give them a chance to prove themselves worthy. Not everyone can be as well-schooled in the matter of NFL player personnel decisions as some of our learned colleagues around here.

Mr.Riaton · 05-10-2014, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Call me crazy, but for some unknown reason I have this sneaking suspicion that Mickey Loomis and Sean Payton know a tad bit more about NFL player personnel decisions than our new friend Gumbeauxx and our old friend Jean-Pierre combined.

If Payton and Loomis feel that an undrafted free agent lineman can assume the duties sufficiently at center then I trust them. I suspect that they may have spent a few more minutes observing his progress up close and personal than our two cronies. Or perhaps, Loomis and Payton may have other ideas about handling the center position in mind which they have yet to approach our local forum experts for their valuable input.

I understand that the team of Loomis and Payton are new to this NFL thingy and have only managed to win one measly Super Bowl win, but I feel we should give them a chance to prove themselves worthy. Not everyone can be as well-schooled in the matter of NFL player personnel decisions as some of our learned colleagues around here.

F**king spot on! Good post!

lee909 · 05-10-2014, 11:25 AM

For me the talent drop from the best prospect in rounds 1/2 to the mid range back end guys is far more than the round 5-7 and UDFA.

TheOak · 05-10-2014, 12:30 PM

It's not worth arguing over, a select group of kids count Christmas presents and will not be happy until the count is in their favor.

What the bigger gamble the guy that was a stud in college that may not do it in the NFL or 2 guys that couldn't be studs in college?

RailBoss · 05-10-2014, 06:00 PM

Someone will be going guaranteed.

Danno · 05-10-2014, 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by RailBoss

Someone will be going guaranteed.

I'm confused. What?

NoZone504 · 05-10-2014, 06:05 PM

Cooks will be a big time player for us.. And I expect him to contribute next year in the return game.

05-10-2014, 10:07 AM	#1
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,050	Re: I don't like the trade Originally Posted by jeanpierre When you review the entire body of work of Loomis/Payton in regards to personnel and draft, they're like a powerful fourth hole hitter in Baseball... There average is lower than most, but they do hit some homeruns... That was an amazing draft last year... But their flaw is they do get fixated on a player and tend to make mistakes... The Saints were convinced Glenn Dorsey and Jeremy Shockey additions would propel them past Chicago in the playoffs... Well they overpaid the Giants for Shockey and panicked when Chiefs' Carl Peterson sensed the desperation for Dorsey and tried to extort them... Saints FO fell back, but still smarting, made the horrible mistake of trading with the Pats to get Ellis... Probably passing on a great linebacker in Jerrod Mayo and could have let the Bengals spare us Ellis and his lame, lazy-@$$ game... Just because some don't drink the coolaid, that doesn't mean they're less a fan - some just question - and that is a good thing... Hind sight brother, it's crystal clear 5 years later. You've not once been high on a player pre-draft and 4 years later he was no longer in the NFL? Sean and Loomis have brought us the best 8 years of Saints football in history. There is no consistent perfection on the NFL, if there is I challenge you to point it out. Shockey played his part in a Super Bowl win.

05-10-2014, 10:00 AM	#2
mighty12 500th Post Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 980 Blog Entries: 1	Re: I don't like the trade Here is why it is a good trade......most other positions fill 1 role, especially center. Cooks fills a couple positions of need. WR opposite Colston, return man, Scat back. Those positions were lost when Moore and Sproles were let go and now we have 1 player that can fill it instead of 2 or 3. As someone stated a roster is 53 players so the more versatile players are a better fit especially with this team. Also, he would not have been there at 27 because Philadelphia wanted him to replace Desean jackson. With all that said, if the Saints would have done what you wanted them to do, who are your picks at those selections? I am not trying to be contrarian. I want to know who you would have wanted with those 3 extra picks?

05-10-2014, 10:06 AM	#3
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: I don't like the trade Originally Posted by mighty12 Here is why it is a good trade......most other positions fill 1 role, especially center. Cooks fills a couple positions of need. WR opposite Colston, return man, Scat back. Those positions were lost when Moore and Sproles were let go and now we have 1 player that can fill it instead of 2 or 3. As someone stated a roster is 53 players so the more versatile players are a better fit especially with this team. Also, he would not have been there at 27 because Philadelphia wanted him to replace Desean jackson. With all that said, if the Saints would have done what you wanted them to do, who are your picks at those selections? I am not trying to be contrarian. I want to know who you would have wanted with those 3 extra picks? Agreed, the draft is loaded with JAGS, a Bill Parcells term for "just a guy". A lot of picks helps teams that are building. We aren't a team that's building, we're a team re-loading. We identified a guy that we think is a real difference maker, not "just a guy" to fill a hole somewhere. If we had 12 picks I'd estimate 6 wouldn't even make this team. I understand the quantity over quality strategy too, and its a solid strategy too. I love the pick, and losing a 3rd rounder isn't much of a price to pay for a guy we think will be a star. pumpkindriver, dizzle88 and brees84 like this.

05-10-2014, 10:16 AM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,676	Re: I don't like the trade Call me crazy, but for some unknown reason I have this sneaking suspicion that Mickey Loomis and Sean Payton know a tad bit more about NFL player personnel decisions than our new friend Gumbeauxx and our old friend Jean-Pierre combined. If Payton and Loomis feel that an undrafted free agent lineman can assume the duties sufficiently at center then I trust them. I suspect that they may have spent a few more minutes observing his progress up close and personal than our two cronies. Or perhaps, Loomis and Payton may have other ideas about handling the center position in mind which they have yet to approach our local forum experts for their valuable input. I understand that the team of Loomis and Payton are new to this NFL thingy and have only managed one measly Super Bowl win, but I feel we should give them a chance to prove themselves worthy. Not everyone can be as well-schooled in the matter of NFL player personnel decisions as some of our learned colleagues around here. pumpkindriver and Mr.Riaton like this.
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05-10-2014, 10:29 AM	#5
Mr.Riaton 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Broussard,La. Posts: 1,308	Re: I don't like the trade Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Call me crazy, but for some unknown reason I have this sneaking suspicion that Mickey Loomis and Sean Payton know a tad bit more about NFL player personnel decisions than our new friend Gumbeauxx and our old friend Jean-Pierre combined. If Payton and Loomis feel that an undrafted free agent lineman can assume the duties sufficiently at center then I trust them. I suspect that they may have spent a few more minutes observing his progress up close and personal than our two cronies. Or perhaps, Loomis and Payton may have other ideas about handling the center position in mind which they have yet to approach our local forum experts for their valuable input. I understand that the team of Loomis and Payton are new to this NFL thingy and have only managed to win one measly Super Bowl win, but I feel we should give them a chance to prove themselves worthy. Not everyone can be as well-schooled in the matter of NFL player personnel decisions as some of our learned colleagues around here. F**king spot on! Good post!

05-10-2014, 11:25 AM	#6
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,875 Blog Entries: 1	Re: I don't like the trade For me the talent drop from the best prospect in rounds 1/2 to the mid range back end guys is far more than the round 5-7 and UDFA.

05-10-2014, 12:30 PM	#7
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,050	Re: I don't like the trade It's not worth arguing over, a select group of kids count Christmas presents and will not be happy until the count is in their favor. What the bigger gamble the guy that was a stud in college that may not do it in the NFL or 2 guys that couldn't be studs in college?

05-10-2014, 06:00 PM	#8
RailBoss 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: South Of The Mason Dixon Line Posts: 7,113	Re: I don't like the trade Someone will be going guaranteed.

05-10-2014, 06:04 PM	#9
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: I don't like the trade Originally Posted by RailBoss Someone will be going guaranteed. I'm confused. What?

05-10-2014, 06:05 PM	#10
NoZone504 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 114	Re: I don't like the trade Cooks will be a big time player for us.. And I expect him to contribute next year in the return game.
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