AB in Saints HoF

ScottF · 05-19-2014, 06:08 PM

We have some legit guys now.. I am against adding marginally above average players just because we had futility for so long.

Can you imagine him even being considered in Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Dallas?

Danno · 05-19-2014, 06:15 PM

Originally Posted by ScottF

We have some legit guys now.. I am against adding marginally above average players just because we had futility for so long.

Can you imagine him even being considered in Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Dallas?

Have you compared our 40 plus years to those teams? We'd have about 3 players in our HOF if that were the standard.

ScottF · 05-19-2014, 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Have you compared our 40 plus years to those teams? We'd have about 3 players in our HOF if that were the standard.

Oh I get it, and three might actually be generous... my point is that we should stop watering down. We should be a little more particular than "won our first playoff game".
Brees, Nicks, Colston, Graham?---all top notch at their positions.

Look at some guys we have already: Kilmer, Doug Atkins, even Dempsey. They were barely Saints.
I understand your point; I just feel that we can look beyond a guy who had 3 good seasons and choose a higher calibre of player.

Danno · 05-19-2014, 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by ScottF

Oh I get it, and three might actually be generous... my point is that we should stop watering down. We should be a little more particular than "won our first playoff game".
Brees, Nicks, Colston, Graham?---all top notch at their positions.

Look at some guys we have already: Kilmer, Doug Atkins, even Dempsey. They were barely Saints.
I understand your point; I just feel that we can look beyond a guy who had 3 good seasons and choose a higher calibre of player.

Well thats fine, but if you wanna leave Brooks out, you have a ton of players that need to be removed as well.

Just to be clear, a Saints Hall of Fame was an oxymoron for at least 40 years.

I just saw a "value" list on pro-reference and they had Brooks rated as the 15th best in our history. Seriously?

Kinda sad really. Its why I get embarrassed when newbies blast other teams futilty. We were the laughing stock of the NFL for nearly our entire existence.

Although I still don't mind making fun of Atlanta. They sucked as bad as we did, only they looked much more low-class doing it.

frydaddy · 05-20-2014, 10:22 AM

SF, I agree with you about most things generally, but you're wearing rose colored glasses when you look back on AB's time here. Are you telling me you don't remember the many times that his arm went one way and the ball went the other? Without anyone even getting a hand on it. What about the way he'd take off running backwards to try to avoid pressure, only to end up sacked for a huge loss or intercepted. His decision making got worse as time went on, his pocket presence and sense for the rush disappeared.. But yeah, he did put up nice stat lines every now and then. He had a cannon after all and eventually our guys had to catch a few. Bad defense? Yep. Shoddy o line play? Yep. We were a mostly garbage team who played a mostly garbage schedule while he was here. So let's applaud him for his ability to occasionally dominate other crappy teams... I don't hate the guy. I'll always appreciate the one good year we got out of him, but that was all we got out of him. I do blame Haslett and his staff be for breaking him. I think if he'd been allowed to do the kinda things he did in year one then it could have turned out a lot better for him.. but it is what it is.

Also, you look kinda silly and a lot like the pot who called the kettle black, ranting about morons and people with their emotions on their sleeves but you got a little butt hurt when Boutte called you out on the name calling.

saintfan · 05-20-2014, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by frydaddy

SF, I agree with you about most things generally, but you're wearing rose colored glasses when you look back on AB's time here. Are you telling me you don't remember the many times that his arm went one way and the ball went the other? Without anyone even getting a hand on it. What about the way he'd take off running backwards to try to avoid pressure, only to end up sacked for a huge loss or intercepted. His decision making got worse as time went on, his pocket presence and sense for the rush disappeared.. But yeah, he did put up nice stat lines every now and then. He had a cannon after all and eventually our guys had to catch a few. Bad defense? Yep. Shoddy o line play? Yep. We were a mostly garbage team who played a mostly garbage schedule while he was here. So let's applaud him for his ability to occasionally dominate other crappy teams... I don't hate the guy. I'll always appreciate the one good year we got out of him, but that was all we got out of him. I do blame Haslett and his staff be for breaking him. I think if he'd been allowed to do the kinda things he did in year one then it could have turned out a lot better for him.. but it is what it is.

Also, you look kinda silly and a lot like the pot who called the kettle black, ranting about morons and people with their emotions on their sleeves but you got a little butt hurt when Boutte called you out on the name calling.

Butt hurt? Not even close. I call it like it see it. Always will. Boutte may not like that. That's his choice.

Now I do get passionate on this topic, as many old-timers here will remember. The fact is that Brooks' numbers, while not worthy of the NFL HOF (and no one is suggesting that) are ABSOLUTELY worthy of ours. You and others hit on something which is key, and that is that the coaching staff tried to take a scrambler like Favre and turn him into a pocket passer, and that, probably more than anything, hurt Brooks' game.

But Lord almighty the stuff that got blamed on Aaron. Our defense can't defend a screen. It's Brooks' fault. Yes, some moron actually made that argument here. He wants a raise. He's not a team player! He runs backwards (something you mentioned). Yes, he did. Most usually running for his life because we couldn't block a d-line full of grandmothers.

Below is a link that is a good read. I'm not much on the racism angle, but I have NO DOUBT IN MY MIND that it played a part. The Brooks hate was just off the charts back then:

A Case for Aaron Brooks - Canal Street Chronicles

This one is shorter for those who don't want to invest the time:

Aaron Brooks: Saint or sinner? - NFL - Yahoo Sports

voodooido · 05-21-2014, 12:44 PM

I always wanted to punch him in the face every time he smiled after a INT. With that being said he played great at times and did win our first playoff game.

saintfan · 05-19-2014, 07:00 PM

I'm sure I'll offend. Whatever.

He absolutely belongs in the Saints HoF. Ab-SO-Lutely beongs.

Anybody who thinks otherwise is a moron.

Offense was never our problem during his tenure. Most of the AB hate - I mean the real AB hate - came from those who wanted Delhomme, and they used every excuse in the book, even going to far as to blame AB for our sorry defense. Determined to replace what at best they called "average" with another "average" because he was from here. BS is what it was/is.

He belongs. End of story. Period. Paragraph.

GOOD FOR YOU AB! I wish I could be there to see it.

Danno · 05-19-2014, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

I'm sure I'll offend. Whatever.

He absolutely belongs in the Saints HoF. Ab-SO-Lutely beongs.

Anybody who thinks otherwise is a moron.

Offense was never our problem during his tenure. Most of the AB hate - I mean the real AB hate - came from those who wanted Delhomme, and they used every excuse in the book, even going to far as to blame AB for our sorry defense. Determined to replace what at best they called "average" with another "average" because he was from here. BS is what it was/is.

He belongs. End of story. Period. Paragraph.

GOOD FOR YOU AB! I wish I could be there to see it.

|Mitch| · 05-19-2014, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

I'm sure I'll offend. Whatever.

He absolutely belongs in the Saints HoF. Ab-SO-Lutely beongs.

Anybody who thinks otherwise is a moron.

Offense was never our problem during his tenure. Most of the AB hate - I mean the real AB hate - came from those who wanted Delhomme, and they used every excuse in the book, even going to far as to blame AB for our sorry defense. Determined to replace what at best they called "average" with another "average" because he was from here. BS is what it was/is.

He belongs. End of story. Period. Paragraph.

GOOD FOR YOU AB! I wish I could be there to see it.

Very Well Said!

05-19-2014, 06:08 PM	#1
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: AB in Saints HoF We have some legit guys now.. I am against adding marginally above average players just because we had futility for so long. Can you imagine him even being considered in Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Dallas? Boutte, jeanpierre, frydaddy and 1 others like this.

05-19-2014, 06:15 PM	#2
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: AB in Saints HoF Originally Posted by ScottF We have some legit guys now.. I am against adding marginally above average players just because we had futility for so long. Can you imagine him even being considered in Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Dallas? Have you compared our 40 plus years to those teams? We'd have about 3 players in our HOF if that were the standard.

05-19-2014, 06:44 PM	#3
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: AB in Saints HoF Originally Posted by Danno Have you compared our 40 plus years to those teams? We'd have about 3 players in our HOF if that were the standard. Oh I get it, and three might actually be generous... my point is that we should stop watering down. We should be a little more particular than "won our first playoff game". Brees, Nicks, Colston, Graham?---all top notch at their positions. Look at some guys we have already: Kilmer, Doug Atkins, even Dempsey. They were barely Saints. I understand your point; I just feel that we can look beyond a guy who had 3 good seasons and choose a higher calibre of player. SmashMouth likes this.

05-19-2014, 06:57 PM	#4
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: AB in Saints HoF Originally Posted by ScottF Oh I get it, and three might actually be generous... my point is that we should stop watering down. We should be a little more particular than "won our first playoff game". Brees, Nicks, Colston, Graham?---all top notch at their positions. Look at some guys we have already: Kilmer, Doug Atkins, even Dempsey. They were barely Saints. I understand your point; I just feel that we can look beyond a guy who had 3 good seasons and choose a higher calibre of player. Well thats fine, but if you wanna leave Brooks out, you have a ton of players that need to be removed as well. Just to be clear, a Saints Hall of Fame was an oxymoron for at least 40 years. I just saw a "value" list on pro-reference and they had Brooks rated as the 15th best in our history. Seriously? Kinda sad really. Its why I get embarrassed when newbies blast other teams futilty. We were the laughing stock of the NFL for nearly our entire existence. Although I still don't mind making fun of Atlanta. They sucked as bad as we did, only they looked much more low-class doing it. Boutte, ScottF and AliJee like this.

05-20-2014, 10:22 AM	#5
frydaddy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Lafayette Posts: 1,964 Blog Entries: 1	Re: AB in Saints HoF SF, I agree with you about most things generally, but you're wearing rose colored glasses when you look back on AB's time here. Are you telling me you don't remember the many times that his arm went one way and the ball went the other? Without anyone even getting a hand on it. What about the way he'd take off running backwards to try to avoid pressure, only to end up sacked for a huge loss or intercepted. His decision making got worse as time went on, his pocket presence and sense for the rush disappeared.. But yeah, he did put up nice stat lines every now and then. He had a cannon after all and eventually our guys had to catch a few. Bad defense? Yep. Shoddy o line play? Yep. We were a mostly garbage team who played a mostly garbage schedule while he was here. So let's applaud him for his ability to occasionally dominate other crappy teams... I don't hate the guy. I'll always appreciate the one good year we got out of him, but that was all we got out of him. I do blame Haslett and his staff be for breaking him. I think if he'd been allowed to do the kinda things he did in year one then it could have turned out a lot better for him.. but it is what it is. Also, you look kinda silly and a lot like the pot who called the kettle black, ranting about morons and people with their emotions on their sleeves but you got a little butt hurt when Boutte called you out on the name calling. ScottF and CharityMike like this.
	Mais forte do que a morte

05-20-2014, 10:43 AM	#6
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: AB in Saints HoF Originally Posted by frydaddy SF, I agree with you about most things generally, but you're wearing rose colored glasses when you look back on AB's time here. Are you telling me you don't remember the many times that his arm went one way and the ball went the other? Without anyone even getting a hand on it. What about the way he'd take off running backwards to try to avoid pressure, only to end up sacked for a huge loss or intercepted. His decision making got worse as time went on, his pocket presence and sense for the rush disappeared.. But yeah, he did put up nice stat lines every now and then. He had a cannon after all and eventually our guys had to catch a few. Bad defense? Yep. Shoddy o line play? Yep. We were a mostly garbage team who played a mostly garbage schedule while he was here. So let's applaud him for his ability to occasionally dominate other crappy teams... I don't hate the guy. I'll always appreciate the one good year we got out of him, but that was all we got out of him. I do blame Haslett and his staff be for breaking him. I think if he'd been allowed to do the kinda things he did in year one then it could have turned out a lot better for him.. but it is what it is. Also, you look kinda silly and a lot like the pot who called the kettle black, ranting about morons and people with their emotions on their sleeves but you got a little butt hurt when Boutte called you out on the name calling. Butt hurt? Not even close. I call it like it see it. Always will. Boutte may not like that. That's his choice. Now I do get passionate on this topic, as many old-timers here will remember. The fact is that Brooks' numbers, while not worthy of the NFL HOF (and no one is suggesting that) are ABSOLUTELY worthy of ours. You and others hit on something which is key, and that is that the coaching staff tried to take a scrambler like Favre and turn him into a pocket passer, and that, probably more than anything, hurt Brooks' game. But Lord almighty the stuff that got blamed on Aaron. Our defense can't defend a screen. It's Brooks' fault. Yes, some moron actually made that argument here. He wants a raise. He's not a team player! He runs backwards (something you mentioned). Yes, he did. Most usually running for his life because we couldn't block a d-line full of grandmothers. Below is a link that is a good read. I'm not much on the racism angle, but I have NO DOUBT IN MY MIND that it played a part. The Brooks hate was just off the charts back then: A Case for Aaron Brooks - Canal Street Chronicles This one is shorter for those who don't want to invest the time: Aaron Brooks: Saint or sinner? - NFL - Yahoo Sports rezburna likes this.
	C'mon Man...

05-21-2014, 12:44 PM	#7
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,840	Re: AB in Saints HoF I always wanted to punch him in the face every time he smiled after a INT. With that being said he played great at times and did win our first playoff game.
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05-19-2014, 07:00 PM	#8
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: AB in Saints HoF I'm sure I'll offend. Whatever. He absolutely belongs in the Saints HoF. Ab-SO-Lutely beongs. Anybody who thinks otherwise is a moron. Offense was never our problem during his tenure. Most of the AB hate - I mean the real AB hate - came from those who wanted Delhomme, and they used every excuse in the book, even going to far as to blame AB for our sorry defense. Determined to replace what at best they called "average" with another "average" because he was from here. BS is what it was/is. He belongs. End of story. Period. Paragraph. GOOD FOR YOU AB! I wish I could be there to see it. Danno, foreverfan, exile and 4 others like this.
	C'mon Man... Last edited by saintfan; 05-19-2014 at 07:05 PM..

05-19-2014, 07:07 PM	#9
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: AB in Saints HoF Originally Posted by saintfan I'm sure I'll offend. Whatever. He absolutely belongs in the Saints HoF. Ab-SO-Lutely beongs. Anybody who thinks otherwise is a moron. Offense was never our problem during his tenure. Most of the AB hate - I mean the real AB hate - came from those who wanted Delhomme, and they used every excuse in the book, even going to far as to blame AB for our sorry defense. Determined to replace what at best they called "average" with another "average" because he was from here. BS is what it was/is. He belongs. End of story. Period. Paragraph. GOOD FOR YOU AB! I wish I could be there to see it.

05-19-2014, 07:17 PM	#10
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: AB in Saints HoF Originally Posted by saintfan I'm sure I'll offend. Whatever. He absolutely belongs in the Saints HoF. Ab-SO-Lutely beongs. Anybody who thinks otherwise is a moron. Offense was never our problem during his tenure. Most of the AB hate - I mean the real AB hate - came from those who wanted Delhomme, and they used every excuse in the book, even going to far as to blame AB for our sorry defense. Determined to replace what at best they called "average" with another "average" because he was from here. BS is what it was/is. He belongs. End of story. Period. Paragraph. GOOD FOR YOU AB! I wish I could be there to see it. Very Well Said!

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