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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by exile No one his a moron on this thread. Look here saps: One of the best Saints players in history: NOT QB of one of the greatest games in Saints history: YES So it really depends on ...

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Old 05-20-2014, 09:29 AM   #1
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Re: AB in Saints HoF

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No one his a moron on this thread. Look here saps:

One of the best Saints players in history: NOT
QB of one of the greatest games in Saints history: YES

So it really depends on what you want from the Saints HOF. Just great players or great players + players from amazing moments in Saints history.

Float on....
Disagree. On multiple counts.

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Disagree. On multiple counts.
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Old 05-20-2014, 01:21 PM   #3
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An AB story I'll never forget, mostly...

We lost an important game and everyone was blaming AB for the loss, including the boobs on WWL. The coaches were irritated enough to invite Buddy D and company to a film review and show him exactly what the plays were, and exactly where AB was supposed to throw the ball to, and exactly where the WR was supposed to be but wasn't.

The very next day Buddy D admitted on air that yes, the plays in question were NOT AB's fault at all.

Two days later he's back on air blaming AB for those plays.
I remember this very well too.

I think Brooks was an easy scapegoat for a couple reasons, mostly because he didn't look the part. He had the skinniest chicken legs I've ever seen and a head (with his helmet on) that looked way too big for his body. He was shy. He looked awkward on the field. He could run like a deer and had a rocket launcher for an arm. But anytime he wasn't doing one of those two things he looked like the clumsy kid at school, which made his mistakes look even worse. And he wasn't out there yelling at people and being a fiery leader.

The racism angle is overplayed. I don't people in general disliked him because they were racists (although some did). I think they disliked him because the team wasn't winning enough games and he just didn't fit the mental image of what people wanted their favorite team's QB to look like. And I actually understand that.

But good Lord, those teams had a distinct lack of talent. When I say that I don't mean a lack of speed or size, we had a whole bunch of real fast guys with size and real big guys with speed. We just didn't have a whole lot of smart players. We had routinely one of the most penalized teams in the league. O-line would hold and false start all game long. I won't even get into the revolving cast of buffoons he put on the o-line. Jerry Fontenot was a decent player in his twilight years and LeCharles Bentley had a pretty good rookie season. Other than that it was straight trash for 5 years.Defense was full of Malcolm Jenkins/Tebucky Jones types who never took a proper angle or wrapped up on a tackle in their lives. And no discipline or accountability either. That's all on Haslett.

I still do not understand how Haslett could've been such a good defensive coordinator yet have such a bad defense as head coach. His big ideas were to move a pass rushing DE to middle linebacker (Clemons) and to put two giant fat guys in the middle of the DL (Hand and Jackson). Continually brought in guys like Jason Craft and Fakhir Brown and tried to convince everybody "hey these guys are pretty good" well maybe they were a little better than the super-crappy guy you had in that spot last year but it still ain't exactly "good." When your best linebacker is 142-year-old Darrin Smith you have some pretty big problems.

I could go on and on but I'd just make myself mad at the sheer incompetence.
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I am just here to work on my charming disposition.

I am agreeing with the masses to make as many people feel good about themselves and their emotion driven rhetoric as possible.

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I don't think he was good enough for the HoF.
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I think Aaron Brooks problem was Haslett and Venturi.

But you know who the OC was for Brooks? You see why he was decent at times.
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I think Aaron Brooks problem was Haslett and Venturi.

But you know who the OC was for Brooks? You see why he was decent at times.
Agreed. There was a season where we needed to win one of our remaining 3 games to make the playoffs. Haslett refused to bench a hurt Brooks and start Jake Delhomme. Brooks played like an injured QB, Saints lost all 3 games, and Brooks got flamed for it. I still put that squarely on Haslett.

BTW: We have no way of knowing what would have happened if Delhomme had started, but, at least our QB would have been healthy.

Oh, and don't hold the 3-13 post Katrina season against anyone.
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Agreed. There was a season where we needed to win one of our remaining 3 games to make the playoffs. Haslett refused to bench a hurt Brooks and start Jake Delhomme. Brooks played like an injured QB, Saints lost all 3 games, and Brooks got flamed for it. I still put that squarely on Haslett.

BTW: We have no way of knowing what would have happened if Delhomme had started, but, at least our QB would have been healthy.

Oh, and don't hold the 3-13 post Katrina season against anyone.
And in that last game, Brooks threw a pass to pathon. Nothing but 40 yards of green to the end zone. Pass hit him directly in the hands. He catches we score and likely win. He dropped it. We lose. And all the morons scream even louder for Brooks' head.

It...never...stopped.

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I think there is some confusion here. Brooks himself stated he wanted to be known as a pocket passer and not the typical running black QB. It wasn't the Saints trying to convert him, that's what he wanted. I also think you need to look again at the defense. The defense was not awful. In 2000 Glover led the league in sacks and we had a +9 turnover ratio. The first playoff win the defense had 3 picks and 2 fumble recoveries. That playoff win was all around team win but if you feel better with AB in the Saints HOF so be it. There are others that can be labeled questionable also.

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I think there is some confusion here. Brooks himself stated he wanted to be known as a pocket passer and not the typical running black QB. It wasn't the Saints trying to convert him, that's what he wanted. I also think you need to look again at the defense. The defense was not awful. In 2000 Glover led the league in sacks and we had a +9 turnover ratio. The first playoff win the defense had 3 picks and 2 fumble recoveries. That playoff win was all around team win but if you feel better with AB in the Saints HOF so be it. There are others that can be labeled questionable also.
Black QB's say that only to shed the negative connotations that come with being a black, scrambling, qb. It damn sure doesn't stop them from running. Cam Newton says he wants to be known as a pocket passer, as well as RG3, and Vick...but they keep running.
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