AB in Saints HoF

Budsdrinker · 05-20-2014, 01:07 PM

I think there is some confusion here. Brooks himself stated he wanted to be known as a pocket passer and not the typical running black QB. It wasn't the Saints trying to convert him, that's what he wanted. I also think you need to look again at the defense. The defense was not awful. In 2000 Glover led the league in sacks and we had a +9 turnover ratio. The first playoff win the defense had 3 picks and 2 fumble recoveries. That playoff win was all around team win but if you feel better with AB in the Saints HOF so be it. There are others that can be labeled questionable also.

rezburna · 05-20-2014, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

I think there is some confusion here. Brooks himself stated he wanted to be known as a pocket passer and not the typical running black QB. It wasn't the Saints trying to convert him, that's what he wanted. I also think you need to look again at the defense. The defense was not awful. In 2000 Glover led the league in sacks and we had a +9 turnover ratio. The first playoff win the defense had 3 picks and 2 fumble recoveries. That playoff win was all around team win but if you feel better with AB in the Saints HOF so be it. There are others that can be labeled questionable also.

Black QB's say that only to shed the negative connotations that come with being a black, scrambling, qb. It damn sure doesn't stop them from running. Cam Newton says he wants to be known as a pocket passer, as well as RG3, and Vick...but they keep running.

Jack Vegas · 05-20-2014, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

I think there is some confusion here. Brooks himself stated he wanted to be known as a pocket passer and not the typical running black QB. It wasn't the Saints trying to convert him, that's what he wanted.

Did he really want that, or was that just a sound bite? The whole "becoming a pocket passer" was a creation of the media. I don't think Brooks nor the coaching staff ever really wanted to make an issue of it one way or another.

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

I also think you need to look again at the defense. The defense was not awful. In 2000 Glover led the league in sacks and we had a +9 turnover ratio. The first playoff win the defense had 3 picks and 2 fumble recoveries.

The defense was not awful in 2000, but they did give up a bajillion points against the Rams which is why we almost lost that game. It was a good defense the same way as the 2009 team, give up tons of yards and points but counter it with big plays, sacks and interceptions. It certainly was not a defense on the order of what we have now, or anything approaching the Mora years. But that was the only year they were even close to being considering a good defense. Starting in 2001 they were brutally terrible and continued to be terrible until the end of Haslett's tenure.

exile · 05-21-2014, 10:29 AM

They are still all smiles. Good for them.

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Vrillon82 · 05-21-2014, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

I think there is some confusion here. Brooks himself stated he wanted to be known as a pocket passer and not the typical running black QB. It wasn't the Saints trying to convert him, that's what he wanted. I also think you need to look again at the defense. The defense was not awful. In 2000 Glover led the league in sacks and we had a +9 turnover ratio. The first playoff win the defense had 3 picks and 2 fumble recoveries. That playoff win was all around team win but if you feel better with AB in the Saints HOF so be it. There are others that can be labeled questionable also.

Ron Zooks was our DC in 2000, why the defense was good. once Venturi came in, it was like having Spags defense out there.

05-20-2014, 01:07 PM	#1
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: AB in Saints HoF I think there is some confusion here. Brooks himself stated he wanted to be known as a pocket passer and not the typical running black QB. It wasn't the Saints trying to convert him, that's what he wanted. I also think you need to look again at the defense. The defense was not awful. In 2000 Glover led the league in sacks and we had a +9 turnover ratio. The first playoff win the defense had 3 picks and 2 fumble recoveries. That playoff win was all around team win but if you feel better with AB in the Saints HOF so be it. There are others that can be labeled questionable also.

05-20-2014, 01:23 PM	#2
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,122	Re: AB in Saints HoF Originally Posted by Budsdrinker I think there is some confusion here. Brooks himself stated he wanted to be known as a pocket passer and not the typical running black QB. It wasn't the Saints trying to convert him, that's what he wanted. I also think you need to look again at the defense. The defense was not awful. In 2000 Glover led the league in sacks and we had a +9 turnover ratio. The first playoff win the defense had 3 picks and 2 fumble recoveries. That playoff win was all around team win but if you feel better with AB in the Saints HOF so be it. There are others that can be labeled questionable also. Black QB's say that only to shed the negative connotations that come with being a black, scrambling, qb. It damn sure doesn't stop them from running. Cam Newton says he wants to be known as a pocket passer, as well as RG3, and Vick...but they keep running. saintfan likes this.

05-20-2014, 01:25 PM	#3
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: AB in Saints HoF Originally Posted by Budsdrinker I think there is some confusion here. Brooks himself stated he wanted to be known as a pocket passer and not the typical running black QB. It wasn't the Saints trying to convert him, that's what he wanted. Did he really want that, or was that just a sound bite? The whole "becoming a pocket passer" was a creation of the media. I don't think Brooks nor the coaching staff ever really wanted to make an issue of it one way or another. Originally Posted by Budsdrinker I also think you need to look again at the defense. The defense was not awful. In 2000 Glover led the league in sacks and we had a +9 turnover ratio. The first playoff win the defense had 3 picks and 2 fumble recoveries. The defense was not awful in 2000, but they did give up a bajillion points against the Rams which is why we almost lost that game. It was a good defense the same way as the 2009 team, give up tons of yards and points but counter it with big plays, sacks and interceptions. It certainly was not a defense on the order of what we have now, or anything approaching the Mora years. But that was the only year they were even close to being considering a good defense. Starting in 2001 they were brutally terrible and continued to be terrible until the end of Haslett's tenure. foreverfan likes this.
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05-21-2014, 10:31 AM	#5
Vrillon82 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 1,127	Re: AB in Saints HoF Originally Posted by Budsdrinker I think there is some confusion here. Brooks himself stated he wanted to be known as a pocket passer and not the typical running black QB. It wasn't the Saints trying to convert him, that's what he wanted. I also think you need to look again at the defense. The defense was not awful. In 2000 Glover led the league in sacks and we had a +9 turnover ratio. The first playoff win the defense had 3 picks and 2 fumble recoveries. That playoff win was all around team win but if you feel better with AB in the Saints HOF so be it. There are others that can be labeled questionable also. Ron Zooks was our DC in 2000, why the defense was good. once Venturi came in, it was like having Spags defense out there.
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