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Just heard about this today, not sure how I feel about it. I know he had some good stats for a couple of season and we won our first play off game with him but when he was bad he was absolutely awful!

Thoughts?

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Who? Alex Brown?

Link?

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No problem with it (if it's true). He helped with the first playoff game in Saints history and had a great year in 2000. Doesn't mean he was a great Saints player but he is a part of history with that win alone.

http://ts3.mm.bing.net/th?id=HN.6080...072999&pid=1.7

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Noooooo!!!!:nono:

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When he was bad, he was real bad, but when he was on he was pretty darn good. You have to admit the dude has his place in Saints history, some good and some bad but all of it very notable in some way.

Those teams were not very good talent-wise though, looking back. We were extremely dependent on Deuce and Joe Horn to do almost all the work and the defense was god-awful. Even if we'd had a top-tier QB back then, we would still not have been anything more than a borderline playoff team praying for a playoff berth.

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IIRC I think he's 2nd in most all-time Saints QB stats.

As previously stated, at times his freaking bullwhip lazers were absolutely a thing of beauty. He won a hell of a lot more games for us than he lost.

Good decision and I'm happy for him.

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I actually loved watching him run the 2-minute drill. He did very well, because he didn't have time to think. Give him another second or two, and that's when it all went downhill.

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No thanks to what? I don't think he's attempting a comeback in New Orleans chief.

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We have some legit guys now.. I am against adding marginally above average players just because we had futility for so long.

Can you imagine him even being considered in Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Dallas?

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Have you compared our 40 plus years to those teams? We'd have about 3 players in our HOF if that were the standard.

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Oh I get it, and three might actually be generous... my point is that we should stop watering down. We should be a little more particular than "won our first playoff game".
Brees, Nicks, Colston, Graham?---all top notch at their positions.

Look at some guys we have already: Kilmer, Doug Atkins, even Dempsey. They were barely Saints.
I understand your point; I just feel that we can look beyond a guy who had 3 good seasons and choose a higher calibre of player.

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Well thats fine, but if you wanna leave Brooks out, you have a ton of players that need to be removed as well.

Just to be clear, a Saints Hall of Fame was an oxymoron for at least 40 years.

I just saw a "value" list on pro-reference and they had Brooks rated as the 15th best in our history. Seriously?

Kinda sad really. Its why I get embarrassed when newbies blast other teams futilty. We were the laughing stock of the NFL for nearly our entire existence.

Although I still don't mind making fun of Atlanta. They sucked as bad as we did, only they looked much more low-class doing it.:p

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I'm sure I'll offend. Whatever.

He absolutely belongs in the Saints HoF. Ab-SO-Lutely beongs.

Anybody who thinks otherwise is a moron.

Offense was never our problem during his tenure. Most of the AB hate - I mean the real AB hate - came from those who wanted Delhomme, and they used every excuse in the book, even going to far as to blame AB for our sorry defense. Determined to replace what at best they called "average" with another "average" because he was from here. BS is what it was/is.

He belongs. End of story. Period. Paragraph.

GOOD FOR YOU AB! I wish I could be there to see it.

:bng:

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:praise:

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Very Well Said!

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Ahem, it was JEFF BLAKE who got the Saints to the playoffs where AB got the first playoff win. Brooks in that year was his usual, average, middling, 3-2 record. The QB that some people wanted in that era (Delhomme) went on to win an NFC Championship for his team, and go to a Pro Bowl, neither of which Brooks ever accomplished in his extremely average and mediocre NFL career as a Saint. Brooks left New Orleans and went to Oakland where he continued his trend of mediocrity. Delhomme left, led his new team to the Super Bowl, Pro Bowl, and still holds passing records for the Panthers that have not been topped.

AB in Saints HoF
 

The only word I found offensive.

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If you look at our past... I say he deserves it.

He Did his job as a back up and won us our first play off game EVER to that point. He played brilliant and eventually it all falls apart for everyone. Our O line shares part of the blame for the debacle.

I have great memories of watching him play and he was a Saint... once a Saint always a Saint.

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I don't have a problem with AB in the Saints HOF.

I believe that if Hakim hadn't "...dropped the ball" the Rams would have won that game.

Brooks was Michael Vick before there was a Michael Vick and IMO the Saints trying to make him a pocket passer is what ruined him.

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Good point... I do recall now how Jeff Blake got the shaft by Hazbeen.

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Then I'm a moron.
In the "Brooks era" we were 45-51.
He had 120 TD's vs 84 ints. He also lost 23 fumbles. That's 107 turnovers in a little over 5 seasons. His career passing rating is 78.5

Stellar numbers that clearly merit honoring.

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We also averaged nearly 30 points a game while he was here, had a crap o-line and to say the defense was sorry would be kind. One thing I've learned is haters gonna hate. Rock right on. He is by many measures the 2nd be QB we've ever had. I could argue the same point I've argued a thousand times, but the haters will hate in spite of reason. I will celebrate with him. You can hate on him some more. He won't lose any sleep...and neither will I.

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Our best year under Brooks we averaged 27 ppg; other years it was closer to 22 ppg. His last 3 years we went 8-8, 8-8, 3-13.
You can celebrate mediocrity if you want, but get your numbers straight before you start calling people 'moron'

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My thoughts exactly. When we were down in the 4th he was excellent.

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First off calling some one a moron for disagreeing with you is uncalled for. And calling him our 2nd best QB makes me wonder how far back you go as a fan. Billy Kilmer, Jim Everett, Archie Manning and even Bobby Hebert were all better than him. Stats don't tell the whole story.

No need for insults, it really doesn't further your argument. As far as being a I didn't hate the guy, I just hated having him for a QB.

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Didn't Archie Manning throw more picks then TD'S in his career? Brooks was a good quarterback. He wasn't elite, but he was good...and better then Jake Delhomme. The game manager who benefitted from a stellar run game and outstanding defense. All Brooks ever had was Joe Horn and Deuce McAllister. The likes of Boo Williams and Jerome Pathon is what he was dealing with.

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That you people take things personally is not my problem. I'd take Aaron Brooks over any of those guys.

I shared my opinion. Been doing it here for a decade. I will keep on doing so. When I insult you or anyone else personally you'll know it. That you people wear your feelings on your sleeve is not my problem.

You're right about one thing tho. Stats don't tell the whole story, but with Brooks there's no way to convince the haters, stats or not. Morons can't see past their tunnel vision. They don't want to.

Now thanks pops, for the moral lesson on what's called for and what isnt. I'll take care of my own thought process big fella, if you don't mind...or even if you do.

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Don't even waste your time. I've wasted enough here trying to talk sense into some of these people.

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BH is in it. Some times we do celebrate mediocrity.

Let's not get high on our success, there are many years I would have given away a kidney for mediocrity.

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And another AB discussion... lmao

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It was a NO then, and should still be a NO

http://blackandgold.com/saints/26724...e-one-day.html

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"my brain just vomited, because I thought.....well, yeah, I guess he does.

I will type it..... but none of you could ever make me speak it.

Yes, put him in.

Dear Lord, I can't believe I just typed that."

That is what I wrote back on 1 June 2010.

I think a lot of people are missing the most obvious point to this.

This is the New Orleans Saints HoF. Not the NFL's HoF.

Now, I wasn't a fan of AB's during his last couple of years with the team. I down right cussed him the entire game. He is an important player to remember, IN SAINTS HISTORY. I'm not saying put a bronze statue of him out in front of the Dome, but he was good enough to make OUR HoF.

Now, if you will exuse me. I need to go to the doctor and get seen about for this AB love I'm showing.

Congrats Aaron.

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I hate the guy. Always did. As much as I hate to admit it though I think the qb who got us our first postseason win should get a bone.

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An AB story I'll never forget, mostly...

We lost an important game and everyone was blaming AB for the loss, including the boobs on WWL. The coaches were irritated enough to invite Buddy D and company to a film review and show him exactly what the plays were, and exactly where AB was supposed to throw the ball to, and exactly where the WR was supposed to be but wasn't.

The very next day Buddy D admitted on air that yes, the plays in question were NOT AB's fault at all.

Two days later he's back on air blaming AB for those plays.

Thats when I became thoroughly convinced that Buddy D was an idiot.

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I am just here to work on my charming disposition.

I am agreeing with the masses to make as many people feel good about themselves and their emotion driven rhetoric as possible.:p

agreement for you...

agreement for you...

agreement for you...

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I remember that. People forget - more likely they choose to ignore - just what a bad team, particularly on defense, we were. Had we not had a Cajon homer...cut by something like 3 other NFL coaches already...waiting in the wings, maybe it would have been different.

And what's the first thing Jake did after his first season starting for carolina? He demanded more money. Oh how they roasted Brooks for that very thing.

Fact is he was one of the best things going back then. And that 3-13 record wasn't that the post Katrina no home games season?

Yes the haters (morons) gonna hate. Hate on, because yalls ignorance is showing. Much like Buddy's often did...but then I could never tell if he was sober...

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No one his a moron on this thread. Look here saps:

One of the best Saints players in history: NOT
QB of one of the greatest games in Saints history: YES

So it really depends on what you want from the Saints HOF. Just great players or great players + players from amazing moments in Saints history.

Float on....

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Disagree. On multiple counts.

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Float on saintfan... put on some Greatful Dead.