Is The Saints Offense Too Predictable?

QBREES9 · 06-09-2014, 12:17 AM

A Graham deal will get done.

Papa Voodoo · 06-09-2014, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by QBREES9

A Graham deal will get done.

You mean a Daham deal

dizzle88 · 06-09-2014, 03:49 AM

Our offense gets predictable in critical situations, I'm talking 3rd and short etc

based on the personell payton brings on, I can tell what the play will be so other teams definitely can

Michigan_SF · 06-09-2014, 06:38 AM

Isn't it predictable the Saints are going to score a lot of points?

halloween 65 · 06-09-2014, 07:04 AM

Alot of teams have set their D up to shut down our pass happy O.We are way to predictable in our O when we run certain packages. With Sproles not being here it should tone down the screen some. I still would let Graham walk for a more traditional TE and run the ball more. I feel we should be more of a play-action O over a pass happy O, 7 days a week 24 hours a day 365 days a year. If there is a year for a UDFA to step up I feel O-lineman would be the spot.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 06-09-2014, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

Alot of teams have set their D up to shut down our pass happy O.We are way to predictable in our O when we run certain packages. With Sproles not being here it should tone down the screen some. I still would let Graham walk for a more traditional TE and run the ball more. I feel we should be more of a play-action O over a pass happy O, 7 days a week 24 hours a day 365 days a year. If there is a year for a UDFA to step up I feel O-lineman would be the spot.

I'm trying to find something in here that makes sense.

1. Every defense sets up the D to stop a pass happy offense. With Brees, pressure up the middle disrupts the play most every time. With DLP gone and hopefully a healthy Evans, this is going to be curtailed a bit.

2. Sproles really wasn't the screen guy. PT is really the screen guy. Defenses simply became more disciplined to the screen. LB stayed home instead of rushing.

3. Jimmy Graham isn't going anywhere. And honestly where is the value of letting a double digit TD guy walk?

4. Pass happy offense works the vast majority of the time. Last year Brees averaged nearly 8 yards per attempt. Not completions, attempts. Yards per completion posted at 11.5 yards. So on average the Saints got a first down each and every time someone caught the ball.

5. You may not realize it, but the Saints oLine has guys that have made the Pro Bowl in virtually every position and some point in their recent career. And the one who hasn't (Armstead) is poised for a breakout year. So exactly where is a UDFA going to crack the lineup?

I always see discussions as if the offense is seriously broken and needs to be overhauled. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

The only thing I'd really question is what should the Saints do in the 4 minute drill, when you absolutely have to keep possession of the ball. That's where pass happy falls down and inconsistent running gets you in trouble.

But I don't see much sense in overhauling the entire offense just for that situation. Simply come up with a package for consistent possession and clutch yards and pull it out when necessary.

SFIAH

halloween 65 · 06-09-2014, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

I'm trying to find something in here that makes sense.

1. Every defense sets up the D to stop a pass happy offense. With Brees, pressure up the middle disrupts the play most every time. With DLP gone and hopefully a healthy Evans, this is going to be curtailed a bit.

2. Sproles really wasn't the screen guy. PT is really the screen guy. Defenses simply became more disciplined to the screen. LB stayed home instead of rushing.

3. Jimmy Graham isn't going anywhere. And honestly where is the value of letting a double digit TD guy walk?

4. Pass happy offense works the vast majority of the time. Last year Brees averaged nearly 8 yards per attempt. Not completions, attempts. Yards per completion posted at 11.5 yards. So on average the Saints got a first down each and every time someone caught the ball.

5. You may not realize it, but the Saints oLine has guys that have made the Pro Bowl in virtually every position and some point is their recent career. And the one who hasn't (Armstead) is poised for a breakout year. So exactly where is a UDFA going to crack the lineup?

I always see discussions as if the offense is seriously broken and needs to be overhauled. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

The only thing I'd really question is what should the Saints do in the 4 minute drill, when you absolutely have to keep possession of the ball. That's where pass happy falls down and inconsistent running gets you in trouble.

But I don't see much sense in overhauling the entire offense just for that situation. Simply come up with a package for consistent possession and clutch yards and pull it out when necessary.

SFIAH

You fail to mention all the hurries ,sacks, happy feet, and running for his life Brees had to do. A stud C would ease a lot of that, not to mention shoring up the run game and pass protection, not getting our trigger man killed is the key. As far as Graham he don't block, gets shut down by physical DB's, a traditional TE does it all. If they let him go I wouldn't lose any sleep. Our screen was blown up time after time, time for a change, whether it was Sproles or PT. And when have we pulled out clutch yds. against Seattle, they own us as it is now, so some change is good, losing Graham wouldn't hurt and a stud C would help. Our run game needs to set the game and the pass will be there!!

exile · 06-09-2014, 04:03 PM

They are way too predictable. 40 points per game over and over and over.

Audiotom · 06-09-2014, 07:47 AM

the Saints were ruling the NFL in 2010,2011 with screen plays and options

other teams took notice and adjusted their formation to make sure the plays didn't develop

how many screen plays last year netted no yac? a lot

jeanpierre · 06-09-2014, 08:00 AM

Originally Posted by Audiotom

the Saints were ruling the NFL in 2010,2011 with screen plays and options

other teams took notice and adjusted their formation to make sure the plays didn't develop

how many screen plays last year netted no yac? a lot

So another question to ask was "Have the Saints Lost Their Ability To Make Adjustments?!?"

It sure did seem we were slow to make adjustments at times...

Hindsight is easy, but it'd been nice had the Saints gone hurryup on offense against the Seahacks, not allowing Seattle to keep rotating fresh pass rushers...

The Saints had some success in hurryup, but I'm not sure how much of that was leading, late-game effort and how much was effectiveness...

That's why I'd like to see Saints limit opponents ability to rotate defenders earlier in games with the quicker pace...

06-09-2014, 12:17 AM	#1
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06-09-2014, 02:48 PM	#2
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06-09-2014, 03:49 AM	#3
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06-09-2014, 07:04 AM	#5
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Is The Saints Offense Too Predictable? Alot of teams have set their D up to shut down our pass happy O.We are way to predictable in our O when we run certain packages. With Sproles not being here it should tone down the screen some. I still would let Graham walk for a more traditional TE and run the ball more. I feel we should be more of a play-action O over a pass happy O, 7 days a week 24 hours a day 365 days a year. If there is a year for a UDFA to step up I feel O-lineman would be the spot. Seer1 likes this.

06-09-2014, 01:55 PM	#6
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,789	Re: Is The Saints Offense Too Predictable? Originally Posted by halloween 65 Alot of teams have set their D up to shut down our pass happy O.We are way to predictable in our O when we run certain packages. With Sproles not being here it should tone down the screen some. I still would let Graham walk for a more traditional TE and run the ball more. I feel we should be more of a play-action O over a pass happy O, 7 days a week 24 hours a day 365 days a year. If there is a year for a UDFA to step up I feel O-lineman would be the spot. I'm trying to find something in here that makes sense. 1. Every defense sets up the D to stop a pass happy offense. With Brees, pressure up the middle disrupts the play most every time. With DLP gone and hopefully a healthy Evans, this is going to be curtailed a bit. 2. Sproles really wasn't the screen guy. PT is really the screen guy. Defenses simply became more disciplined to the screen. LB stayed home instead of rushing. 3. Jimmy Graham isn't going anywhere. And honestly where is the value of letting a double digit TD guy walk? 4. Pass happy offense works the vast majority of the time. Last year Brees averaged nearly 8 yards per attempt. Not completions, attempts. Yards per completion posted at 11.5 yards. So on average the Saints got a first down each and every time someone caught the ball. 5. You may not realize it, but the Saints oLine has guys that have made the Pro Bowl in virtually every position and some point in their recent career. And the one who hasn't (Armstead) is poised for a breakout year. So exactly where is a UDFA going to crack the lineup? I always see discussions as if the offense is seriously broken and needs to be overhauled. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me. The only thing I'd really question is what should the Saints do in the 4 minute drill, when you absolutely have to keep possession of the ball. That's where pass happy falls down and inconsistent running gets you in trouble. But I don't see much sense in overhauling the entire offense just for that situation. Simply come up with a package for consistent possession and clutch yards and pull it out when necessary. SFIAH hagan714 likes this.
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06-09-2014, 04:01 PM	#7
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Is The Saints Offense Too Predictable? Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL I'm trying to find something in here that makes sense. 1. Every defense sets up the D to stop a pass happy offense. With Brees, pressure up the middle disrupts the play most every time. With DLP gone and hopefully a healthy Evans, this is going to be curtailed a bit. 2. Sproles really wasn't the screen guy. PT is really the screen guy. Defenses simply became more disciplined to the screen. LB stayed home instead of rushing. 3. Jimmy Graham isn't going anywhere. And honestly where is the value of letting a double digit TD guy walk? 4. Pass happy offense works the vast majority of the time. Last year Brees averaged nearly 8 yards per attempt. Not completions, attempts. Yards per completion posted at 11.5 yards. So on average the Saints got a first down each and every time someone caught the ball. 5. You may not realize it, but the Saints oLine has guys that have made the Pro Bowl in virtually every position and some point is their recent career. And the one who hasn't (Armstead) is poised for a breakout year. So exactly where is a UDFA going to crack the lineup? I always see discussions as if the offense is seriously broken and needs to be overhauled. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me. The only thing I'd really question is what should the Saints do in the 4 minute drill, when you absolutely have to keep possession of the ball. That's where pass happy falls down and inconsistent running gets you in trouble. But I don't see much sense in overhauling the entire offense just for that situation. Simply come up with a package for consistent possession and clutch yards and pull it out when necessary. SFIAH You fail to mention all the hurries ,sacks, happy feet, and running for his life Brees had to do. A stud C would ease a lot of that, not to mention shoring up the run game and pass protection, not getting our trigger man killed is the key. As far as Graham he don't block, gets shut down by physical DB's, a traditional TE does it all. If they let him go I wouldn't lose any sleep. Our screen was blown up time after time, time for a change, whether it was Sproles or PT. And when have we pulled out clutch yds. against Seattle, they own us as it is now, so some change is good, losing Graham wouldn't hurt and a stud C would help. Our run game needs to set the game and the pass will be there!! hagan714 likes this.

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