Is The Saints Offense Too Predictable?

SaintFanInATLHELL · 06-09-2014, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

Alot of teams have set their D up to shut down our pass happy O.We are way to predictable in our O when we run certain packages. With Sproles not being here it should tone down the screen some. I still would let Graham walk for a more traditional TE and run the ball more. I feel we should be more of a play-action O over a pass happy O, 7 days a week 24 hours a day 365 days a year. If there is a year for a UDFA to step up I feel O-lineman would be the spot.

I'm trying to find something in here that makes sense.

1. Every defense sets up the D to stop a pass happy offense. With Brees, pressure up the middle disrupts the play most every time. With DLP gone and hopefully a healthy Evans, this is going to be curtailed a bit.

2. Sproles really wasn't the screen guy. PT is really the screen guy. Defenses simply became more disciplined to the screen. LB stayed home instead of rushing.

3. Jimmy Graham isn't going anywhere. And honestly where is the value of letting a double digit TD guy walk?

4. Pass happy offense works the vast majority of the time. Last year Brees averaged nearly 8 yards per attempt. Not completions, attempts. Yards per completion posted at 11.5 yards. So on average the Saints got a first down each and every time someone caught the ball.

5. You may not realize it, but the Saints oLine has guys that have made the Pro Bowl in virtually every position and some point in their recent career. And the one who hasn't (Armstead) is poised for a breakout year. So exactly where is a UDFA going to crack the lineup?

I always see discussions as if the offense is seriously broken and needs to be overhauled. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

The only thing I'd really question is what should the Saints do in the 4 minute drill, when you absolutely have to keep possession of the ball. That's where pass happy falls down and inconsistent running gets you in trouble.

But I don't see much sense in overhauling the entire offense just for that situation. Simply come up with a package for consistent possession and clutch yards and pull it out when necessary.

SFIAH

brees84 · 06-09-2014, 02:32 PM

2. We also played against teams that have studs at LB position. It's not like we played Dallas every week.

Papa Voodoo · 06-09-2014, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by QBREES9

A Graham deal will get done.

You mean a Daham deal

halloween 65 · 06-09-2014, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

I'm trying to find something in here that makes sense.

1. Every defense sets up the D to stop a pass happy offense. With Brees, pressure up the middle disrupts the play most every time. With DLP gone and hopefully a healthy Evans, this is going to be curtailed a bit.

2. Sproles really wasn't the screen guy. PT is really the screen guy. Defenses simply became more disciplined to the screen. LB stayed home instead of rushing.

3. Jimmy Graham isn't going anywhere. And honestly where is the value of letting a double digit TD guy walk?

4. Pass happy offense works the vast majority of the time. Last year Brees averaged nearly 8 yards per attempt. Not completions, attempts. Yards per completion posted at 11.5 yards. So on average the Saints got a first down each and every time someone caught the ball.

5. You may not realize it, but the Saints oLine has guys that have made the Pro Bowl in virtually every position and some point is their recent career. And the one who hasn't (Armstead) is poised for a breakout year. So exactly where is a UDFA going to crack the lineup?

I always see discussions as if the offense is seriously broken and needs to be overhauled. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

The only thing I'd really question is what should the Saints do in the 4 minute drill, when you absolutely have to keep possession of the ball. That's where pass happy falls down and inconsistent running gets you in trouble.

But I don't see much sense in overhauling the entire offense just for that situation. Simply come up with a package for consistent possession and clutch yards and pull it out when necessary.

SFIAH

You fail to mention all the hurries ,sacks, happy feet, and running for his life Brees had to do. A stud C would ease a lot of that, not to mention shoring up the run game and pass protection, not getting our trigger man killed is the key. As far as Graham he don't block, gets shut down by physical DB's, a traditional TE does it all. If they let him go I wouldn't lose any sleep. Our screen was blown up time after time, time for a change, whether it was Sproles or PT. And when have we pulled out clutch yds. against Seattle, they own us as it is now, so some change is good, losing Graham wouldn't hurt and a stud C would help. Our run game needs to set the game and the pass will be there!!

exile · 06-09-2014, 04:03 PM

They are way too predictable. 40 points per game over and over and over.

Seer1 · 06-09-2014, 05:01 PM

Sorry Exile, but what was the score of the Seattle game again?

exile · 06-09-2014, 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by Seer1

Sorry Exile, but what was the score of the Seattle game again?

I know of no such game.

Rugby Saint II · 06-09-2014, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by Audiotom

I love this line

Looking to catch the Seahawks by surprise, the Saints used running back Mark Ingram for the first of their four screen plays. The Seahawks defense clearly was not expecting it, as the play fake and blocking setup both worked well. Unfortunately, further endearing himself to Saints fans who already adore him, Ingram dropped Brees' pass with blockers in front of him and a potential big gain ahead.

endearing indeed

It's a crying shame...........I had very high hopes for him coming out of Alabama. The way he ran reminded me of Emmitt Smith. Sometimes though Ingram acts like a thug. I like my athletes to be humble.
This year is a prove it year ahead of him.

Seer1 · 06-09-2014, 10:34 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

It's a crying shame...........I had very high hopes for him coming out of Alabama. The way he ran reminded me of Emmitt Smith. Sometimes though Ingram acts like a thug. I like my athletes to be humble.
This year is a prove it year ahead of him.

I was going to go more with dumbass than thug. If it helps to fire up the bench then that's cool, but his spaz attacks were kind of stupid-funny. I was wishing I was watching someone on the other team do that dumb dance.

hagan714 · 06-10-2014, 04:35 AM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

It's a crying shame...........I had very high hopes for him coming out of Alabama. The way he ran reminded me of Emmitt Smith. Sometimes though Ingram acts like a thug. I like my athletes to be humble.
This year is a prove it year ahead of him.

LMAO. i can understand spazing out if you had a great play that resulted in something big. or you just ran over a LB or something. 3 yards and spaz? give me a break. I love Lance but i will not miss his telling me he got a first down. we are a winning franchise finally and well i expect a lot of first downs.

I am a huge Barry Sander type of fan. score a touch down and calmly hand the ball to the official. He once said " if I spike the ball and/or dance you better look at the tape because i did some thing that amazed me or was huge. Well at least by my standards." Those were pretty high standards

That is a mind set the saints really need to establish. Expected greatness from ones self is a job requirement. all the the dynasty teams had it or have it. It is that professional cocky self confident attitude of organization. good is expected and greatness is common place. now impress me kinda thing.

06-09-2014, 01:55 PM	#21
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,647	Re: Is The Saints Offense Too Predictable? Originally Posted by halloween 65 Alot of teams have set their D up to shut down our pass happy O.We are way to predictable in our O when we run certain packages. With Sproles not being here it should tone down the screen some. I still would let Graham walk for a more traditional TE and run the ball more. I feel we should be more of a play-action O over a pass happy O, 7 days a week 24 hours a day 365 days a year. If there is a year for a UDFA to step up I feel O-lineman would be the spot. I'm trying to find something in here that makes sense. 1. Every defense sets up the D to stop a pass happy offense. With Brees, pressure up the middle disrupts the play most every time. With DLP gone and hopefully a healthy Evans, this is going to be curtailed a bit. 2. Sproles really wasn't the screen guy. PT is really the screen guy. Defenses simply became more disciplined to the screen. LB stayed home instead of rushing. 3. Jimmy Graham isn't going anywhere. And honestly where is the value of letting a double digit TD guy walk? 4. Pass happy offense works the vast majority of the time. Last year Brees averaged nearly 8 yards per attempt. Not completions, attempts. Yards per completion posted at 11.5 yards. So on average the Saints got a first down each and every time someone caught the ball. 5. You may not realize it, but the Saints oLine has guys that have made the Pro Bowl in virtually every position and some point in their recent career. And the one who hasn't (Armstead) is poised for a breakout year. So exactly where is a UDFA going to crack the lineup? I always see discussions as if the offense is seriously broken and needs to be overhauled. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me. The only thing I'd really question is what should the Saints do in the 4 minute drill, when you absolutely have to keep possession of the ball. That's where pass happy falls down and inconsistent running gets you in trouble. But I don't see much sense in overhauling the entire offense just for that situation. Simply come up with a package for consistent possession and clutch yards and pull it out when necessary. SFIAH hagan714 likes this.
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06-09-2014, 02:32 PM	#22
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06-09-2014, 02:48 PM	#23
Papa Voodoo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,628	Re: Is The Saints Offense Too Predictable? Originally Posted by QBREES9 A Graham deal will get done. You mean a Daham deal

06-09-2014, 04:01 PM	#24
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Is The Saints Offense Too Predictable? Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL I'm trying to find something in here that makes sense. 1. Every defense sets up the D to stop a pass happy offense. With Brees, pressure up the middle disrupts the play most every time. With DLP gone and hopefully a healthy Evans, this is going to be curtailed a bit. 2. Sproles really wasn't the screen guy. PT is really the screen guy. Defenses simply became more disciplined to the screen. LB stayed home instead of rushing. 3. Jimmy Graham isn't going anywhere. And honestly where is the value of letting a double digit TD guy walk? 4. Pass happy offense works the vast majority of the time. Last year Brees averaged nearly 8 yards per attempt. Not completions, attempts. Yards per completion posted at 11.5 yards. So on average the Saints got a first down each and every time someone caught the ball. 5. You may not realize it, but the Saints oLine has guys that have made the Pro Bowl in virtually every position and some point is their recent career. And the one who hasn't (Armstead) is poised for a breakout year. So exactly where is a UDFA going to crack the lineup? I always see discussions as if the offense is seriously broken and needs to be overhauled. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me. The only thing I'd really question is what should the Saints do in the 4 minute drill, when you absolutely have to keep possession of the ball. That's where pass happy falls down and inconsistent running gets you in trouble. But I don't see much sense in overhauling the entire offense just for that situation. Simply come up with a package for consistent possession and clutch yards and pull it out when necessary. SFIAH You fail to mention all the hurries ,sacks, happy feet, and running for his life Brees had to do. A stud C would ease a lot of that, not to mention shoring up the run game and pass protection, not getting our trigger man killed is the key. As far as Graham he don't block, gets shut down by physical DB's, a traditional TE does it all. If they let him go I wouldn't lose any sleep. Our screen was blown up time after time, time for a change, whether it was Sproles or PT. And when have we pulled out clutch yds. against Seattle, they own us as it is now, so some change is good, losing Graham wouldn't hurt and a stud C would help. Our run game needs to set the game and the pass will be there!! hagan714 likes this.

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,762	Re: Is The Saints Offense Too Predictable? Originally Posted by Audiotom I love this line Looking to catch the Seahawks by surprise, the Saints used running back Mark Ingram for the first of their four screen plays. The Seahawks defense clearly was not expecting it, as the play fake and blocking setup both worked well. Unfortunately, further endearing himself to Saints fans who already adore him, Ingram dropped Brees' pass with blockers in front of him and a potential big gain ahead. endearing indeed It's a crying shame...........I had very high hopes for him coming out of Alabama. The way he ran reminded me of Emmitt Smith. Sometimes though Ingram acts like a thug. I like my athletes to be humble. This year is a prove it year ahead of him. hagan714 likes this.

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Seer1 Site Donor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bayou Bayfield CO Posts: 4,722	Re: Is The Saints Offense Too Predictable? Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II It's a crying shame...........I had very high hopes for him coming out of Alabama. The way he ran reminded me of Emmitt Smith. Sometimes though Ingram acts like a thug. I like my athletes to be humble. This year is a prove it year ahead of him. I was going to go more with dumbass than thug. If it helps to fire up the bench then that's cool, but his spaz attacks were kind of stupid-funny. I was wishing I was watching someone on the other team do that dumb dance. hagan714 likes this.

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hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Is The Saints Offense Too Predictable? Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II It's a crying shame...........I had very high hopes for him coming out of Alabama. The way he ran reminded me of Emmitt Smith. Sometimes though Ingram acts like a thug. I like my athletes to be humble. This year is a prove it year ahead of him. LMAO. i can understand spazing out if you had a great play that resulted in something big. or you just ran over a LB or something. 3 yards and spaz? give me a break. I love Lance but i will not miss his telling me he got a first down. we are a winning franchise finally and well i expect a lot of first downs. I am a huge Barry Sander type of fan. score a touch down and calmly hand the ball to the official. He once said " if I spike the ball and/or dance you better look at the tape because i did some thing that amazed me or was huge. Well at least by my standards." Those were pretty high standards That is a mind set the saints really need to establish. Expected greatness from ones self is a job requirement. all the the dynasty teams had it or have it. It is that professional cocky self confident attitude of organization. good is expected and greatness is common place. now impress me kinda thing. Rugby Saint II likes this.
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