Five Reasons Someone Will Steal Jimmy Graham from the Saints

WhoDat!656 · 06-10-2014, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by SAINTstunna

I'm sick of this JG thing . . He needs to realize his numbers are as much to credit to Drew Brees as to himself . . . Let him test the waters with another team and experience a mediocre QB and life without playoff hopes . . He will indeed have plenty of money to spend in his long off season, but if he wants to go down is history with the biggest name in tight ends he need to shut the F#@$ up and play ball with the WHO DATT nation !!! !! lets get it baby . . . TWO DATT! !!

Graham needs to talk to Meachem

SaintFanInATLHELL · 06-10-2014, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656

Graham needs to talk to Meachem

Different situation. Meachem played out his rookie contract. The Saints declined to make him an offer and let him go to the free agent market.

They were right on the money. San Diego overpaid and his production was poor.

But it's not like Meachem was the #1 receiving option during his first stint with the Saints. Even his best year was 45 receptions for 722 yards and 7 TDs. Compared to JG, that's pretty laughable.

Why is everyone equating the fact the JG's not agreeing to the first contract offered to his wanting to leave?

This is a contract negotiation. Two parties, each with their own agenda make offers and counteroffers until they come to an agreement. Problem here is that there are facts not in evidence. Specifically the franchise tag designation for Graham. Once that is established (IMHO he'll remain tagged as a TE) it shouldn't take too terribly long to get the deal done.

Let's not forget we had the same questions with Brees 2 years ago. Remember that Brees argued that he was being tagged for the 2nd or 3rd time? Same thing. Went the arbitation. Went against Brees. Contract got done. Richest in QB history (for 5 minutes). Looks like a bargain 2 years later. And I remember that some wanted to get rid of him too. SMDH.

As for Meachem. 2 Years, 14 receptions, 207 yards, 2 TD, for a guaranteed payday of $14 million. What's not to like?

SFIAH

AsylumGuido · 06-10-2014, 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656

Graham needs to talk to Meachem

About what? Meachem was a free agent and his agent got him more money than the Saints were able to match. That money is now in his pocket. Graham, on the other hand, is a player that the Saints ARE willing to pay handsomely and he will get the money he deserves and all parties will be happy... that is, once the league and the NFLPA resolve their little issue with the tag designation.

Besides, it isn't Meachem or Graham making these calls. It is the person that they signed to do all of this dirty work ... the agent.

Utah_Saint · 06-10-2014, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by SAINTstunna

he need to shut the F#@$ up and play ball with the WHO DATT nation !!! !! lets get it baby . . . TWO DATT! !!

What did he say?

SaintFanInATLHELL · 06-10-2014, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by SAINTstunna

... he need to shut the F#@$ up and play ball with the WHO DATT nation !!! !!

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

What did he say?

Nothing. He's said nothing. He has an agent that's doing his job, which is trying to maximize his client's value. He has a player's association that is attempting to redefine the position for franchise tag purposes. He hasn't signed his franchise tender, nor agreed to a long term contract with the team. Of course it's just common sense not to do so, since his value has not yet been established.

He didn't show up to voluntary OTAs. Note that he is currently a free agent and has no contractual obligation to participate in any Saints activities.

He has not touted his career numbers, which BTW are on a Hall of Fame pace. He has not spoken out about the team and how they are mistreating him. He's not spouting off on Twitter about how he needs to be paid.

He has said absolutely, positively nothing at all.

So I just gotta ask: Why U Mad Bro?

SFIAH

AsylumGuido · 06-10-2014, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

Nothing. He's said nothing. He has an agent that's doing his job, which is trying to maximize his client's value. He has a player's association that is attempting to redefine the position for franchise tag purposes. He hasn't signed his franchise tender, nor agreed to a long term contract with the team. Of course it's just common sense not to do so, since his value has not yet been established.

He didn't show up to voluntary OTAs. Note that he is currently a free agent and has no contractual obligation to participate in any Saints activities.

He has not touted his career numbers, which BTW are on a Hall of Fame pace. He has not spoken out about the team and how they are mistreating him. He's not spouting off on Twitter about how he needs to be paid.

He has said absolutely, positively nothing at all.

So I just gotta ask: Why U Mad Bro?

SFIAH

I empathize with you, brother. I just can't understand why these people get a burr up their ass over nothing. Few players in the league have shown the class demonstrated by Graham.

AsylumGuido · 06-10-2014, 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

What did he say?

Nothing. Not a word.

AsylumGuido · 06-10-2014, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by SAINTstunna

I'm sick of this JG thing . . He needs to realize his numbers are as much to credit to Drew Brees as to himself . . . Let him test the waters with another team and experience a mediocre QB and life without playoff hopes . . He will indeed have plenty of money to spend in his long off season, but if he wants to go down is history with the biggest name in tight ends he need to shut the F#@$ up and play ball with the WHO DATT nation !!! !! lets get it baby . . . TWO DATT! !!

How can he "shut the F#@$ up" when has has not said a word. This has NOTHING to do with Graham. This has EVERYTHING to do with the business of professional football. Graham has always given all of the credit for his success to Brees. I am not sure where you are getting the idea that he has ever implied otherwise.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 06-10-2014, 12:23 PM

Sigh.

Someone on YardBarker posts an opinion piece and everyone takes it as gospel.

Sigh.

Fans take personal affront to a bog standard business negotiation. Many seem to miss the point that while players may or may not be fanatics about the team and the sport, at the end of the day it's their job and their career. Like all of us, when you get an opportunity to maximize your value in the marketplace, you take it.

Sigh.

It's funny how Graham really isn't a very good tight end (blocking first, receiving second), yet everyone is ticked off at the tactic of not classifying him as a tight end.

Sigh.

Does anyone really believe that any GM is going to be as stupid as Jerry Jones, who is unique because he is also the owner, as to give up TWO FIRST ROUND PICKS and a $60+ million contract for anyone.

Sigh.

If someone was going to make an offer, then the time to make it is before the hearing when JG's value is finally established.

Sigh.

This is an issue between the league, who classified JG as a TE, and the players association, who is disputing the claim.

Sigh.

I'm getting pretty tired of repeating the simple fact that if the Saints didn't want JG, then they would have traded him when they had the opportunity. Or let him go into free agency. They didn't. By franchising their prized player, they both guaranteed that he will play for the Saints next year (and even possibly the year after that), and that JG is going to get paid.

Sigh.

I am sick of this bashing on arguably the best player on the squad. Nothing has changed. JG wants to be here. The Saints want him here. Loomis has almost always let the market set the value for a player, then come up with a contract that's near market price.

Sigh.

Our friend at YB doesn't understand how the salary cap works. The $7 million cap number for JG is already on the books. Any long term contract with up front money will likely have a cap number below that because the signing bonus is spread over the life of the contract. JG wants long term security. So he's not going to sign a contract where a team can cut him after two years.

Sigh.

I know it's June. And I know that it's slow. But absolutely nothing has changed from the timeline I posted in February. A long term deal will be done in July. And this fiasco, enflamed by fan frustration, will finally be put away.

Sigh.

SFIAH

AsylumGuido · 06-10-2014, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

Sigh.

Someone on YardBarker posts an opinion piece and everyone takes it as gospel.

Sigh.

Fans take personal affront to a bog standard business negotiation. Many seem to miss the point that while players may or may not be fanatics about the team and the sport, at the end of the day it's their job and their career. Like all of us, when you get an opportunity to maximize your value in the marketplace, you take it.

Sigh.

It's funny how Graham really isn't a very good tight end (blocking first, receiving second), yet everyone is ticked off at the tactic of not classifying him as a tight end.

Sigh.

Does anyone really believe that any GM is going to be as stupid as Jerry Jones, who is unique because he is also the owner, as to give up TWO FIRST ROUND PICKS and a $60+ million contract for anyone.

Sigh.

If someone was going to make an offer, then the time to make it is before the hearing when JG's value is finally established.

Sigh.

This is an issue between the league, who classified JG as a TE, and the players association, who is disputing the claim.

Sigh.

I'm getting pretty tired of repeating the simple fact that if the Saints didn't want JG, then they would have traded him when they had the opportunity. Or let him go into free agency. They didn't. By franchising their prized player, they both guaranteed that he will play for the Saints next year (and even possibly the year after that), and that JG is going to get paid.

Sigh.

I am sick of this bashing on arguably the best player on the squad. Nothing has changed. JG wants to be here. The Saints want him here. Loomis has almost always let the market set the value for a player, then come up with a contract that's near market price.

Sigh.

Our friend at YB doesn't understand how the salary cap works. The $7 million cap number for JG is already on the books. Any long term contract with up front money will likely have a cap number below that because the signing bonus is spread over the life of the contract. JG wants long term security. So he's not going to sign a contract where a team can cut him after two years.

Sigh.

I know it's June. And I know that it's slow. But absolutely nothing has changed from the timeline I posted in February. A long term deal will be done in July. And this fiasco, enflamed by fan frustration, will finally be put away.

Sigh.

SFIAH

^^^^

Some of you need to take time to read this before making yourselves look foolish by bashing Graham.

06-10-2014, 01:28 PM	#2
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: Five Reasons Someone Will Steal Jimmy Graham from the Saints Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 Graham needs to talk to Meachem Different situation. Meachem played out his rookie contract. The Saints declined to make him an offer and let him go to the free agent market. They were right on the money. San Diego overpaid and his production was poor. But it's not like Meachem was the #1 receiving option during his first stint with the Saints. Even his best year was 45 receptions for 722 yards and 7 TDs. Compared to JG, that's pretty laughable. Why is everyone equating the fact the JG's not agreeing to the first contract offered to his wanting to leave? This is a contract negotiation. Two parties, each with their own agenda make offers and counteroffers until they come to an agreement. Problem here is that there are facts not in evidence. Specifically the franchise tag designation for Graham. Once that is established (IMHO he'll remain tagged as a TE) it shouldn't take too terribly long to get the deal done. Let's not forget we had the same questions with Brees 2 years ago. Remember that Brees argued that he was being tagged for the 2nd or 3rd time? Same thing. Went the arbitation. Went against Brees. Contract got done. Richest in QB history (for 5 minutes). Looks like a bargain 2 years later. And I remember that some wanted to get rid of him too. SMDH. As for Meachem. 2 Years, 14 receptions, 207 yards, 2 TD, for a guaranteed payday of $14 million. What's not to like? SFIAH
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06-10-2014, 02:10 PM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Five Reasons Someone Will Steal Jimmy Graham from the Saints Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 Graham needs to talk to Meachem About what? Meachem was a free agent and his agent got him more money than the Saints were able to match. That money is now in his pocket. Graham, on the other hand, is a player that the Saints ARE willing to pay handsomely and he will get the money he deserves and all parties will be happy... that is, once the league and the NFLPA resolve their little issue with the tag designation. Besides, it isn't Meachem or Graham making these calls. It is the person that they signed to do all of this dirty work ... the agent.

06-10-2014, 12:43 PM	#4
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Five Reasons Someone Will Steal Jimmy Graham from the Saints Originally Posted by SAINTstunna he need to shut the F#@$ up and play ball with the WHO DATT nation !!! !! lets get it baby . . . TWO DATT! !! What did he say?

06-10-2014, 01:12 PM	#5
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: Five Reasons Someone Will Steal Jimmy Graham from the Saints Originally Posted by SAINTstunna ... he need to shut the F#@$ up and play ball with the WHO DATT nation !!! !! Originally Posted by Utah_Saint What did he say? Nothing. He's said nothing. He has an agent that's doing his job, which is trying to maximize his client's value. He has a player's association that is attempting to redefine the position for franchise tag purposes. He hasn't signed his franchise tender, nor agreed to a long term contract with the team. Of course it's just common sense not to do so, since his value has not yet been established. He didn't show up to voluntary OTAs. Note that he is currently a free agent and has no contractual obligation to participate in any Saints activities. He has not touted his career numbers, which BTW are on a Hall of Fame pace. He has not spoken out about the team and how they are mistreating him. He's not spouting off on Twitter about how he needs to be paid. He has said absolutely, positively nothing at all. So I just gotta ask: Why U Mad Bro? SFIAH AsylumGuido and SaintGup like this.
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06-10-2014, 02:15 PM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Five Reasons Someone Will Steal Jimmy Graham from the Saints Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL Nothing. He's said nothing. He has an agent that's doing his job, which is trying to maximize his client's value. He has a player's association that is attempting to redefine the position for franchise tag purposes. He hasn't signed his franchise tender, nor agreed to a long term contract with the team. Of course it's just common sense not to do so, since his value has not yet been established. He didn't show up to voluntary OTAs. Note that he is currently a free agent and has no contractual obligation to participate in any Saints activities. He has not touted his career numbers, which BTW are on a Hall of Fame pace. He has not spoken out about the team and how they are mistreating him. He's not spouting off on Twitter about how he needs to be paid. He has said absolutely, positively nothing at all. So I just gotta ask: Why U Mad Bro? SFIAH I empathize with you, brother. I just can't understand why these people get a burr up their ass over nothing. Few players in the league have shown the class demonstrated by Graham.

06-10-2014, 12:34 PM	#1
WhoDat!656 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 16,086	Re: Five Reasons Someone Will Steal Jimmy Graham from the Saints Originally Posted by SAINTstunna I'm sick of this JG thing . . He needs to realize his numbers are as much to credit to Drew Brees as to himself . . . Let him test the waters with another team and experience a mediocre QB and life without playoff hopes . . He will indeed have plenty of money to spend in his long off season, but if he wants to go down is history with the biggest name in tight ends he need to shut the F#@$ up and play ball with the WHO DATT nation !!! !! lets get it baby . . . TWO DATT! !! Graham needs to talk to Meachem foreverfan likes this.

06-10-2014, 02:11 PM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Five Reasons Someone Will Steal Jimmy Graham from the Saints Originally Posted by Utah_Saint What did he say? Nothing. Not a word.

06-10-2014, 02:02 PM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Five Reasons Someone Will Steal Jimmy Graham from the Saints Originally Posted by SAINTstunna I'm sick of this JG thing . . He needs to realize his numbers are as much to credit to Drew Brees as to himself . . . Let him test the waters with another team and experience a mediocre QB and life without playoff hopes . . He will indeed have plenty of money to spend in his long off season, but if he wants to go down is history with the biggest name in tight ends he need to shut the F#@$ up and play ball with the WHO DATT nation !!! !! lets get it baby . . . TWO DATT! !! How can he "shut the F#@$ up" when has has not said a word. This has NOTHING to do with Graham. This has EVERYTHING to do with the business of professional football. Graham has always given all of the credit for his success to Brees. I am not sure where you are getting the idea that he has ever implied otherwise.

06-10-2014, 12:23 PM	#9
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: Five Reasons Someone Will Steal Jimmy Graham from the Saints Sigh. Someone on YardBarker posts an opinion piece and everyone takes it as gospel. Sigh. Fans take personal affront to a bog standard business negotiation. Many seem to miss the point that while players may or may not be fanatics about the team and the sport, at the end of the day it's their job and their career. Like all of us, when you get an opportunity to maximize your value in the marketplace, you take it. Sigh. It's funny how Graham really isn't a very good tight end (blocking first, receiving second), yet everyone is ticked off at the tactic of not classifying him as a tight end. Sigh. Does anyone really believe that any GM is going to be as stupid as Jerry Jones, who is unique because he is also the owner, as to give up TWO FIRST ROUND PICKS and a $60+ million contract for anyone. Sigh. If someone was going to make an offer, then the time to make it is before the hearing when JG's value is finally established. Sigh. This is an issue between the league, who classified JG as a TE, and the players association, who is disputing the claim. Sigh. I'm getting pretty tired of repeating the simple fact that if the Saints didn't want JG, then they would have traded him when they had the opportunity. Or let him go into free agency. They didn't. By franchising their prized player, they both guaranteed that he will play for the Saints next year (and even possibly the year after that), and that JG is going to get paid. Sigh. I am sick of this bashing on arguably the best player on the squad. Nothing has changed. JG wants to be here. The Saints want him here. Loomis has almost always let the market set the value for a player, then come up with a contract that's near market price. Sigh. Our friend at YB doesn't understand how the salary cap works. The $7 million cap number for JG is already on the books. Any long term contract with up front money will likely have a cap number below that because the signing bonus is spread over the life of the contract. JG wants long term security. So he's not going to sign a contract where a team can cut him after two years. Sigh. I know it's June. And I know that it's slow. But absolutely nothing has changed from the timeline I posted in February. A long term deal will be done in July. And this fiasco, enflamed by fan frustration, will finally be put away. Sigh. SFIAH saintfan, hagan714, AsylumGuido and 5 others like this.
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06-10-2014, 02:06 PM	#10
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Five Reasons Someone Will Steal Jimmy Graham from the Saints Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL Sigh. Someone on YardBarker posts an opinion piece and everyone takes it as gospel. Sigh. Fans take personal affront to a bog standard business negotiation. Many seem to miss the point that while players may or may not be fanatics about the team and the sport, at the end of the day it's their job and their career. Like all of us, when you get an opportunity to maximize your value in the marketplace, you take it. Sigh. It's funny how Graham really isn't a very good tight end (blocking first, receiving second), yet everyone is ticked off at the tactic of not classifying him as a tight end. Sigh. Does anyone really believe that any GM is going to be as stupid as Jerry Jones, who is unique because he is also the owner, as to give up TWO FIRST ROUND PICKS and a $60+ million contract for anyone. Sigh. If someone was going to make an offer, then the time to make it is before the hearing when JG's value is finally established. Sigh. This is an issue between the league, who classified JG as a TE, and the players association, who is disputing the claim. Sigh. I'm getting pretty tired of repeating the simple fact that if the Saints didn't want JG, then they would have traded him when they had the opportunity. Or let him go into free agency. They didn't. By franchising their prized player, they both guaranteed that he will play for the Saints next year (and even possibly the year after that), and that JG is going to get paid. Sigh. I am sick of this bashing on arguably the best player on the squad. Nothing has changed. JG wants to be here. The Saints want him here. Loomis has almost always let the market set the value for a player, then come up with a contract that's near market price. Sigh. Our friend at YB doesn't understand how the salary cap works. The $7 million cap number for JG is already on the books. Any long term contract with up front money will likely have a cap number below that because the signing bonus is spread over the life of the contract. JG wants long term security. So he's not going to sign a contract where a team can cut him after two years. Sigh. I know it's June. And I know that it's slow. But absolutely nothing has changed from the timeline I posted in February. A long term deal will be done in July. And this fiasco, enflamed by fan frustration, will finally be put away. Sigh. SFIAH ^^^^ Some of you need to take time to read this before making yourselves look foolish by bashing Graham.

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