Five Reasons Someone Will Steal Jimmy Graham from the Saints

voodooido · 06-10-2014, 09:12 PM

In 2009 the Saints rushed for 2106 yards on 468 carries. Avg of 4.5 per carry
In 2013 the Saints rushed for 1473 yards on 391 carries. Avg of 3.8 per carry.

Balanced team. JG CAN NOT BLOCK

AsylumGuido · 06-10-2014, 09:13 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

I tell you how a more balanced roster is better. I could block better than JG.

I would put quite a bit of money on the fact that you couldn't. Graham is not your prototypical blocking TE. His value as a playmaker FAR, FAR outweighs any perception that he can't block. I would much rather have a player that can catch over 100 passes, score over 15 TD's and receive for over 1000 yards than have an extra freaking offensive tackle. The Saints are a better team with Graham on the field than they are without him on the field. THAT is a fact.

voodooido · 06-10-2014, 09:15 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Can't help but be an ass when trying to explain the obvious to those who have an unrealistic agenda. As for the claim of ignorance, far from it. Give legitimate reasons with factual support when making your claims. I have presented logical arguments well recognized with those "in the know". Prove your lack of "ignorance" by doing the same without simply making flippant comments.

Your past couple posts proves that you can't help but be a ass. When looking at your posts through out the site you spend more time arguing than anything. Home life suck so you have to argue here? This is a place for Saints fans to post and LEARN from others without being spoken down to. I'm sure many other sites with love to have your asinine posts. As for this site it is full of grownups who love the Saints and want to show support for there team.

PS: Gronk can block and is a playmaker. That is what we could use. Not a show boat who is demanding Drew Brees money.

AsylumGuido · 06-10-2014, 09:19 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

In 2009 the Saints rushed for 2106 yards on 468 carries. Avg of 4.5 per carry
In 2013 the Saints rushed for 1473 yards on 391 carries. Avg of 3.8 per carry.

Balanced team. JG CAN NOT BLOCK

My god! Are you for real? And exactly why do those numbers have anything to do with Jimmy Graham? The offensive line, the fullback and the offensive play calling have far more influence in the running game than a TE. You do realize that Graham was split from the shoulder of the OT around 60% of the plays, right? Didn't think so ... or if you did you didn't realize the relevance. It is pretty damned difficult for the TE to be involved in the blocking game when the coaching staff has him out in that position.

In other words, the Saints ran a totally different offence in 2009 than they did last year.

Yes, here it comes again ...

voodooido · 06-10-2014, 09:22 PM

It is spelled OFFENSE.

AsylumGuido · 06-10-2014, 09:24 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

Your past couple posts proves that you can't help but be a ass. When looking at your posts through out the site you spend more time arguing than anything. Home life suck so you have to argue here? This is a place for Saints fans to post and LEARN from others without being spoken down to. I'm sure many other sites with love to have your asinine posts. As for this site it is full of grownups who love the Saints and want to show support for there team.

PS: Gronk can block and is a playmaker. That is what we could use. Not a show boat who is demanding Drew Brees money.

I have not heard Graham demand anything. Gronk is a continuously injured player. If you had truly looked at my posts throughout the site you would know differently. But, I will argue a point with someone that I know is wrong.

AsylumGuido · 06-10-2014, 09:26 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

It is spelled OFFENSE.

Now that is sad. LOL. All is lost when pointing out a typo is your best "offense".

Yup. Here it comes again ...

halloween 65 · 06-10-2014, 09:59 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I would put quite a bit of money on the fact that you couldn't. Graham is not your prototypical blocking TE. His value as a playmaker FAR, FAR outweighs any perception that he can't block. I would much rather have a player that can catch over 100 passes, score over 15 TD's and receive for over 1000 yards than have an extra freaking offensive tackle. The Saints are a better team with Graham on the field than they are without him on the field. THAT is a fact.

I disagree with the playmaker statement because a playmaker produces and overcomes. Grahams been shut out by corners before, where were his playmakingt abilities then. I also disagree that we are better with him on the field. He is no more than a product of Paytons system. If he leaves he could easily be replaced by a traditional TE( one that does what a TE does) and a little different playcalling we wouldn't miss a beat and would be better as a O.

AsylumGuido · 06-10-2014, 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

I disagree with the playmaker statement because a playmaker produces and overcomes. Grahams been shut out by corners before, where were his playmakingt abilities then. I also disagree that we are better with him on the field. He is no more than a product of Paytons system. If he leaves he could easily be replaced by a traditional TE( one that does what a TE does) and a little different playcalling we wouldn't miss a beat and would be better as a O.

I disagree completely. He has been shutdown a couple of times by extremely physical corners that got away with more than would normally be allowed. There is not another TE in the league that could have done anything more under those circumstances. And, replacing him with a traditional TE would mean one less real threat in the passing game. Graham has led the entire league in receiving TD's over the past two seasons. That is huge!

If you truly believe we wouldn't miss a beat then you do not know football.

Rugby Saint II · 06-10-2014, 11:05 PM

Payton isn't going to lose one of his favorite chess pieces.

06-10-2014, 09:12 PM	#41
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,749	Re: Five Reasons Someone Will Steal Jimmy Graham from the Saints In 2009 the Saints rushed for 2106 yards on 468 carries. Avg of 4.5 per carry In 2013 the Saints rushed for 1473 yards on 391 carries. Avg of 3.8 per carry. Balanced team. JG CAN NOT BLOCK
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06-10-2014, 09:13 PM	#42
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: Five Reasons Someone Will Steal Jimmy Graham from the Saints Originally Posted by voodooido I tell you how a more balanced roster is better. I could block better than JG. I would put quite a bit of money on the fact that you couldn't. Graham is not your prototypical blocking TE. His value as a playmaker FAR, FAR outweighs any perception that he can't block. I would much rather have a player that can catch over 100 passes, score over 15 TD's and receive for over 1000 yards than have an extra freaking offensive tackle. The Saints are a better team with Graham on the field than they are without him on the field. THAT is a fact. SaintFanInATLHELL and AliJee like this.

06-10-2014, 09:15 PM	#43
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,749	Re: Five Reasons Someone Will Steal Jimmy Graham from the Saints Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Can't help but be an ass when trying to explain the obvious to those who have an unrealistic agenda. As for the claim of ignorance, far from it. Give legitimate reasons with factual support when making your claims. I have presented logical arguments well recognized with those "in the know". Prove your lack of "ignorance" by doing the same without simply making flippant comments. Your past couple posts proves that you can't help but be a ass. When looking at your posts through out the site you spend more time arguing than anything. Home life suck so you have to argue here? This is a place for Saints fans to post and LEARN from others without being spoken down to. I'm sure many other sites with love to have your asinine posts. As for this site it is full of grownups who love the Saints and want to show support for there team. PS: Gronk can block and is a playmaker. That is what we could use. Not a show boat who is demanding Drew Brees money.
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06-10-2014, 09:19 PM	#44
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: Five Reasons Someone Will Steal Jimmy Graham from the Saints Originally Posted by voodooido In 2009 the Saints rushed for 2106 yards on 468 carries. Avg of 4.5 per carry In 2013 the Saints rushed for 1473 yards on 391 carries. Avg of 3.8 per carry. Balanced team. JG CAN NOT BLOCK My god! Are you for real? And exactly why do those numbers have anything to do with Jimmy Graham? The offensive line, the fullback and the offensive play calling have far more influence in the running game than a TE. You do realize that Graham was split from the shoulder of the OT around 60% of the plays, right? Didn't think so ... or if you did you didn't realize the relevance. It is pretty damned difficult for the TE to be involved in the blocking game when the coaching staff has him out in that position. In other words, the Saints ran a totally different offence in 2009 than they did last year. Yes, here it comes again ...

06-10-2014, 09:22 PM	#45
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,749	Re: Five Reasons Someone Will Steal Jimmy Graham from the Saints It is spelled OFFENSE.
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06-10-2014, 09:24 PM	#46
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: Five Reasons Someone Will Steal Jimmy Graham from the Saints Originally Posted by voodooido Your past couple posts proves that you can't help but be a ass. When looking at your posts through out the site you spend more time arguing than anything. Home life suck so you have to argue here? This is a place for Saints fans to post and LEARN from others without being spoken down to. I'm sure many other sites with love to have your asinine posts. As for this site it is full of grownups who love the Saints and want to show support for there team. PS: Gronk can block and is a playmaker. That is what we could use. Not a show boat who is demanding Drew Brees money. I have not heard Graham demand anything. Gronk is a continuously injured player. If you had truly looked at my posts throughout the site you would know differently. But, I will argue a point with someone that I know is wrong.

06-10-2014, 09:26 PM	#47
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: Five Reasons Someone Will Steal Jimmy Graham from the Saints Originally Posted by voodooido It is spelled OFFENSE. Now that is sad. LOL. All is lost when pointing out a typo is your best "offense". Yup. Here it comes again ...

06-10-2014, 09:59 PM	#48
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Five Reasons Someone Will Steal Jimmy Graham from the Saints Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I would put quite a bit of money on the fact that you couldn't. Graham is not your prototypical blocking TE. His value as a playmaker FAR, FAR outweighs any perception that he can't block. I would much rather have a player that can catch over 100 passes, score over 15 TD's and receive for over 1000 yards than have an extra freaking offensive tackle. The Saints are a better team with Graham on the field than they are without him on the field. THAT is a fact. I disagree with the playmaker statement because a playmaker produces and overcomes. Grahams been shut out by corners before, where were his playmakingt abilities then. I also disagree that we are better with him on the field. He is no more than a product of Paytons system. If he leaves he could easily be replaced by a traditional TE( one that does what a TE does) and a little different playcalling we wouldn't miss a beat and would be better as a O.

06-10-2014, 10:30 PM	#49
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: Five Reasons Someone Will Steal Jimmy Graham from the Saints Originally Posted by halloween 65 I disagree with the playmaker statement because a playmaker produces and overcomes. Grahams been shut out by corners before, where were his playmakingt abilities then. I also disagree that we are better with him on the field. He is no more than a product of Paytons system. If he leaves he could easily be replaced by a traditional TE( one that does what a TE does) and a little different playcalling we wouldn't miss a beat and would be better as a O. I disagree completely. He has been shutdown a couple of times by extremely physical corners that got away with more than would normally be allowed. There is not another TE in the league that could have done anything more under those circumstances. And, replacing him with a traditional TE would mean one less real threat in the passing game. Graham has led the entire league in receiving TD's over the past two seasons. That is huge! If you truly believe we wouldn't miss a beat then you do not know football. SaintFanInATLHELL and exile like this.

06-10-2014, 11:05 PM	#50
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,747	Re: Five Reasons Someone Will Steal Jimmy Graham from the Saints Payton isn't going to lose one of his favorite chess pieces.

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