Five Reasons Someone Will Steal Jimmy Graham from the Saints

Utah_Saint · 06-11-2014, 01:17 AM

Originally Posted by voodooido

In 2009 the Saints rushed for 2106 yards on 468 carries. Avg of 4.5 per carry
In 2013 the Saints rushed for 1473 yards on 391 carries. Avg of 3.8 per carry.

Balanced team. JG CAN NOT BLOCK

In 2011 with Jimmy Graham as the starting TE, the Saints rushed for 2127 yards on 431 carries Avg. 4.9 yards per carry. That's the best year the Saints have had rushing since Payton and Drew have been here.

On top of that excellent rushing attack, Graham contributed 1310 yards and 11 touchdowns in the regular season.

That's balance.

Utah_Saint · 06-11-2014, 01:30 AM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

I disagree with the playmaker statement because a playmaker produces and overcomes. Grahams been shut out by corners before, where were his playmakingt abilities then. I also disagree that we are better with him on the field. He is no more than a product of Paytons system. If he leaves he could easily be replaced by a traditional TE( one that does what a TE does) and a little different playcalling we wouldn't miss a beat and would be better as a O.

Last season Graham scored more touchdowns than anyone else in the NFL. If that's getting shut out too often, that's a pretty high standard.

He's gotten more yards per season and TDs per season since he became a starter than any receiver Drew has ever played with or that Payton has ever been the head coach for. If it's true that he's just a product of Payton's system, he's the best product Payton's system has produced so far.

jeanpierre · 06-11-2014, 02:14 AM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

Last season Graham scored more touchdowns than anyone else in the NFL. If that's getting shut out too often, that's a pretty high standard.

He's gotten more yards per season and TDs per season since he became a starter than any receiver Drew has ever played with or that Payton has ever been the head coach for. If it's true that he's just a product of Payton's system, he's the best product Payton's system has produced so far.

Utah, it's not a question of his inherent ability - it's the fact that when he's failed to overcome in big games, i.e. Seattle, the Saints lose...

He really needs to own guys like Sherman and Talib in THEIR house as well as his own...

Utah_Saint · 06-11-2014, 09:16 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Utah, it's not a question of his inherent ability - it's the fact that when he's failed to overcome in big games, i.e. Seattle, the Saints lose...

He really needs to own guys like Sherman and Talib in THEIR house as well as his own...

In the regular season game against Seattle, Graham was the only Saint that scored but it's his fault the Saints lost?

Everybody gets shut down sometime. When you lead the league in touchdowns, you're not getting shut down often?

iceshack149 · 06-11-2014, 09:37 AM

Jimmy Graham is the new Aaron Brooks at B&G. A good player that many argue is not that great and that the Saints would be better without him.

To be clear, the Saints actually were better without Brooks in 2006 when he was replaced by a future Hall of Famer. But... I'd better stop there before I add too much fuel to this fire.

voodooido · 06-11-2014, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

Jimmy Graham is the new Aaron Brooks at B&G. A good player that many argue is not that great and that the Saints would be better without him.

To be clear, the Saints actually were better without Brooks in 2006 when he was replaced by a future Hall of Famer. But... I'd better stop there before I add too much fuel to this fire.

There is no doubt the man is a beast. The point I raise is don't over pay. We won without him before we can do it again.

AsylumGuido · 06-11-2014, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Utah, it's not a question of his inherent ability - it's the fact that when he's failed to overcome in big games, i.e. Seattle, the Saints lose...

He really needs to own guys like Sherman and Talib in THEIR house as well as his own...

Name any player in the NFL that has owned Sherman and Talib in their own houses. If Graham could do that consistently he would be worth $15M per year while receiving for over 2000 yards and 20 TD's.

Graham is clearly one of the elite offensive threats in the entire NFL and some of you actually think the Saints would be better off without him. That is pure lunacy.

There were 52 other players on the active roster when the Saints lost to the Seahawks and you honesty place the blame on Graham?

AsylumGuido · 06-11-2014, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by voodooido

There is no doubt the man is a beast. The point I raise is don't over pay. We won without him before we can do it again.

He will not be overpaid. As one of the top offensive threats in the game he is a bargain at $11 per year, which can easily be structured in a way to open up an additional $3-$4M in cap space for 2014.

Can the Saints win without him? Sure they can, but they are undoubtedly better with him. I want the taste of another Super Bowl win and Graham gives us a far better chance to achieve that goal.

exile · 06-11-2014, 10:27 AM

Graham is awesome.

Isn't worth WR money though.

Can't blame him for the Seattle game.

He will either play this year under the franchise tag of a TE or get a new contract or sit out the season. Either way, he is a Saint in 2014.

AsylumGuido · 06-11-2014, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by exile

Graham is awesome.

Isn't worth WR money though.

Can't blame him for the Seattle game.

He will either play this year under the franchise tag of a TE or get a new contract or sit out the season. Either way, he is a Saint in 2014.

Only one of those will happen ... he'll get a new contract. There is zero percent chance that will not happen.

06-11-2014, 01:17 AM	#51
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Five Reasons Someone Will Steal Jimmy Graham from the Saints Originally Posted by voodooido In 2009 the Saints rushed for 2106 yards on 468 carries. Avg of 4.5 per carry In 2013 the Saints rushed for 1473 yards on 391 carries. Avg of 3.8 per carry. Balanced team. JG CAN NOT BLOCK In 2011 with Jimmy Graham as the starting TE, the Saints rushed for 2127 yards on 431 carries Avg. 4.9 yards per carry. That's the best year the Saints have had rushing since Payton and Drew have been here. On top of that excellent rushing attack, Graham contributed 1310 yards and 11 touchdowns in the regular season. That's balance. SaintFanInATLHELL likes this.

06-11-2014, 01:30 AM	#52
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Five Reasons Someone Will Steal Jimmy Graham from the Saints Originally Posted by halloween 65 I disagree with the playmaker statement because a playmaker produces and overcomes. Grahams been shut out by corners before, where were his playmakingt abilities then. I also disagree that we are better with him on the field. He is no more than a product of Paytons system. If he leaves he could easily be replaced by a traditional TE( one that does what a TE does) and a little different playcalling we wouldn't miss a beat and would be better as a O. Last season Graham scored more touchdowns than anyone else in the NFL. If that's getting shut out too often, that's a pretty high standard. He's gotten more yards per season and TDs per season since he became a starter than any receiver Drew has ever played with or that Payton has ever been the head coach for. If it's true that he's just a product of Payton's system, he's the best product Payton's system has produced so far. SaintFanInATLHELL likes this.

06-11-2014, 02:14 AM	#53
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Five Reasons Someone Will Steal Jimmy Graham from the Saints Originally Posted by Utah_Saint Last season Graham scored more touchdowns than anyone else in the NFL. If that's getting shut out too often, that's a pretty high standard. He's gotten more yards per season and TDs per season since he became a starter than any receiver Drew has ever played with or that Payton has ever been the head coach for. If it's true that he's just a product of Payton's system, he's the best product Payton's system has produced so far. Utah, it's not a question of his inherent ability - it's the fact that when he's failed to overcome in big games, i.e. Seattle, the Saints lose... He really needs to own guys like Sherman and Talib in THEIR house as well as his own... voodooido and K Major like this.

06-11-2014, 09:16 AM	#54
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Five Reasons Someone Will Steal Jimmy Graham from the Saints Originally Posted by jeanpierre Utah, it's not a question of his inherent ability - it's the fact that when he's failed to overcome in big games, i.e. Seattle, the Saints lose... He really needs to own guys like Sherman and Talib in THEIR house as well as his own... In the regular season game against Seattle, Graham was the only Saint that scored but it's his fault the Saints lost? Everybody gets shut down sometime. When you lead the league in touchdowns, you're not getting shut down often?

06-11-2014, 09:37 AM	#55
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,258 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Five Reasons Someone Will Steal Jimmy Graham from the Saints Jimmy Graham is the new Aaron Brooks at B&G. A good player that many argue is not that great and that the Saints would be better without him. To be clear, the Saints actually were better without Brooks in 2006 when he was replaced by a future Hall of Famer. But... I'd better stop there before I add too much fuel to this fire.

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voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,766	Re: Five Reasons Someone Will Steal Jimmy Graham from the Saints Originally Posted by iceshack149 Jimmy Graham is the new Aaron Brooks at B&G. A good player that many argue is not that great and that the Saints would be better without him. To be clear, the Saints actually were better without Brooks in 2006 when he was replaced by a future Hall of Famer. But... I'd better stop there before I add too much fuel to this fire. There is no doubt the man is a beast. The point I raise is don't over pay. We won without him before we can do it again.
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06-11-2014, 10:22 AM	#57
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Five Reasons Someone Will Steal Jimmy Graham from the Saints Originally Posted by jeanpierre Utah, it's not a question of his inherent ability - it's the fact that when he's failed to overcome in big games, i.e. Seattle, the Saints lose... He really needs to own guys like Sherman and Talib in THEIR house as well as his own... Name any player in the NFL that has owned Sherman and Talib in their own houses. If Graham could do that consistently he would be worth $15M per year while receiving for over 2000 yards and 20 TD's. Graham is clearly one of the elite offensive threats in the entire NFL and some of you actually think the Saints would be better off without him. That is pure lunacy. There were 52 other players on the active roster when the Saints lost to the Seahawks and you honesty place the blame on Graham? SaintFanInATLHELL and AliJee like this.
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06-11-2014, 10:27 AM	#58
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Five Reasons Someone Will Steal Jimmy Graham from the Saints Originally Posted by voodooido There is no doubt the man is a beast. The point I raise is don't over pay. We won without him before we can do it again. He will not be overpaid. As one of the top offensive threats in the game he is a bargain at $11 per year, which can easily be structured in a way to open up an additional $3-$4M in cap space for 2014. Can the Saints win without him? Sure they can, but they are undoubtedly better with him. I want the taste of another Super Bowl win and Graham gives us a far better chance to achieve that goal.

06-11-2014, 10:27 AM	#59
exile Cake or Death? Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,608	Re: Five Reasons Someone Will Steal Jimmy Graham from the Saints Graham is awesome. Isn't worth WR money though. Can't blame him for the Seattle game. He will either play this year under the franchise tag of a TE or get a new contract or sit out the season. Either way, he is a Saint in 2014. SaintFanInATLHELL likes this.
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06-11-2014, 10:30 AM	#60
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Five Reasons Someone Will Steal Jimmy Graham from the Saints Originally Posted by exile Graham is awesome. Isn't worth WR money though. Can't blame him for the Seattle game. He will either play this year under the franchise tag of a TE or get a new contract or sit out the season. Either way, he is a Saint in 2014. Only one of those will happen ... he'll get a new contract. There is zero percent chance that will not happen.

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