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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by AsylumGuido No, you need to tell me how arguably the best TE in the league being on the roster isn't not better than inferior TE's in his place. If Jimmy Graham had been on the 2009 squad ...

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Old 06-10-2014, 09:03 PM   #1
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Re: Five Reasons Someone Will Steal Jimmy Graham from the Saints

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No, you need to tell me how arguably the best TE in the league being on the roster isn't not better than inferior TE's in his place. If Jimmy Graham had been on the 2009 squad the Saints would have been just that more dominant.

You tell us how a weaker roster is better. Well?

I tell you how a more balanced roster is better. I could block better than JG.
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I tell you how a more balanced roster is better. I could block better than JG.
I would put quite a bit of money on the fact that you couldn't. Graham is not your prototypical blocking TE. His value as a playmaker FAR, FAR outweighs any perception that he can't block. I would much rather have a player that can catch over 100 passes, score over 15 TD's and receive for over 1000 yards than have an extra freaking offensive tackle. The Saints are a better team with Graham on the field than they are without him on the field. THAT is a fact.
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I would put quite a bit of money on the fact that you couldn't. Graham is not your prototypical blocking TE. His value as a playmaker FAR, FAR outweighs any perception that he can't block. I would much rather have a player that can catch over 100 passes, score over 15 TD's and receive for over 1000 yards than have an extra freaking offensive tackle. The Saints are a better team with Graham on the field than they are without him on the field. THAT is a fact.
I disagree with the playmaker statement because a playmaker produces and overcomes. Grahams been shut out by corners before, where were his playmakingt abilities then. I also disagree that we are better with him on the field. He is no more than a product of Paytons system. If he leaves he could easily be replaced by a traditional TE( one that does what a TE does) and a little different playcalling we wouldn't miss a beat and would be better as a O.
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I disagree with the playmaker statement because a playmaker produces and overcomes. Grahams been shut out by corners before, where were his playmakingt abilities then. I also disagree that we are better with him on the field. He is no more than a product of Paytons system. If he leaves he could easily be replaced by a traditional TE( one that does what a TE does) and a little different playcalling we wouldn't miss a beat and would be better as a O.
I disagree completely. He has been shutdown a couple of times by extremely physical corners that got away with more than would normally be allowed. There is not another TE in the league that could have done anything more under those circumstances. And, replacing him with a traditional TE would mean one less real threat in the passing game. Graham has led the entire league in receiving TD's over the past two seasons. That is huge!

If you truly believe we wouldn't miss a beat then you do not know football.
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I disagree with the playmaker statement because a playmaker produces and overcomes. Grahams been shut out by corners before, where were his playmakingt abilities then. I also disagree that we are better with him on the field. He is no more than a product of Paytons system. If he leaves he could easily be replaced by a traditional TE( one that does what a TE does) and a little different playcalling we wouldn't miss a beat and would be better as a O.
Last season Graham scored more touchdowns than anyone else in the NFL. If that's getting shut out too often, that's a pretty high standard.

He's gotten more yards per season and TDs per season since he became a starter than any receiver Drew has ever played with or that Payton has ever been the head coach for. If it's true that he's just a product of Payton's system, he's the best product Payton's system has produced so far.
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Last season Graham scored more touchdowns than anyone else in the NFL. If that's getting shut out too often, that's a pretty high standard.

He's gotten more yards per season and TDs per season since he became a starter than any receiver Drew has ever played with or that Payton has ever been the head coach for. If it's true that he's just a product of Payton's system, he's the best product Payton's system has produced so far.
Utah, it's not a question of his inherent ability - it's the fact that when he's failed to overcome in big games, i.e. Seattle, the Saints lose...

He really needs to own guys like Sherman and Talib in THEIR house as well as his own...
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Utah, it's not a question of his inherent ability - it's the fact that when he's failed to overcome in big games, i.e. Seattle, the Saints lose...

He really needs to own guys like Sherman and Talib in THEIR house as well as his own...
In the regular season game against Seattle, Graham was the only Saint that scored but it's his fault the Saints lost?

Everybody gets shut down sometime. When you lead the league in touchdowns, you're not getting shut down often?
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Jimmy Graham is the new Aaron Brooks at B&G. A good player that many argue is not that great and that the Saints would be better without him.

To be clear, the Saints actually were better without Brooks in 2006 when he was replaced by a future Hall of Famer. But... I'd better stop there before I add too much fuel to this fire.
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In the regular season game against Seattle, Graham was the only Saint that scored but it's his fault the Saints lost?

Everybody gets shut down sometime. When you lead the league in touchdowns, you're not getting shut down often?

I'm just saying that he's struggled, been shutdown against the elite cornerbacks; when we needed him to get crucial first downs, he's been on the short end of coming down on the ball despite having superior size and athleticism...

Look, I've been a Graham fan since I saw him his first training camp (went so homer that I dropped Dallas Clark in Fantasy Keeper for Graham before his rookie campaign); but when you want elite money, you've got to come down with the ball against the elite...

Do I want to get rid of Graham - H**L, Neaux! But his success is as much about the table that is set in New Orleans than anything and I find the argument for more money like a top five WR has many holes in it...

It's not that my way is the right way, I just make the right way my way...
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Re: Five Reasons Someone Will Steal Jimmy Graham from the Saints

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Utah, it's not a question of his inherent ability - it's the fact that when he's failed to overcome in big games, i.e. Seattle, the Saints lose...

He really needs to own guys like Sherman and Talib in THEIR house as well as his own...
Name any player in the NFL that has owned Sherman and Talib in their own houses. If Graham could do that consistently he would be worth $15M per year while receiving for over 2000 yards and 20 TD's.

Graham is clearly one of the elite offensive threats in the entire NFL and some of you actually think the Saints would be better off without him. That is pure lunacy.

There were 52 other players on the active roster when the Saints lost to the Seahawks and you honesty place the blame on Graham?
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