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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by foreverfan The n-word is not a skin color... today it has become an attitude. I guess one can trace it to good ol' boys pronouncing the word "negro" like they pronounce anything ending with the "o" sound, ...

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Old 06-13-2014, 03:11 PM   #1
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Re: Saints' Champ Bailey: Redskins name like N-word

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The n-word is not a skin color... today it has become an attitude.
I guess one can trace it to good ol' boys pronouncing the word "negro" like they pronounce anything ending with the "o" sound, and "negro" is a color.

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People just love a reason to get offended. Being offended is a choice. There are SO many other things to worry about but people are all waiting their turn to find a reason to be offended.
It works both ways...
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Other than this one group from upstate New York that's litigating and fighting it, I have yet to really hear from any real native Americans to find out what they think, if they are offended or not... You would think with all this kerfluffle that somebody would go out there and do an objective poll, put the facts on the table, ask them the question and make a nice pie graph or chart telling us what the native Americans really think, all over the country, but evidently not, it hasn't been done.

If the majority of actual Indian people had a problem with the name, I would change it in a heartbeat. I'm just not sure it's been demonstrated yet that that's the case.

Same as I do with My Black Friends ™ (although that's a bit of a cliche) on matters that have to do with their cultural stuff. I let them decide if something is offensive to them, or not. But if somebody I know is like "dang, that's offensive" then I'm offended too.
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I wonder how Native Americans (I hate that word since I'm a native American as well, as is my Father, Grandfather, Great Grandfather etc)
feel about what I think are Honorary names like Braves, Warriors, Chiefs?

Or how the feel about tribal names like Seminoles and Blackhawks?

The only things that I can agree with and see as offensive is the name Redskins and that stupid looking Indian mascot of the Cleveland Indians.



Seriously? I hate the PC movement but that's gotta be about as offensive as it gets.
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Or how the feel about tribal names like Seminoles and Blackhawks?
The Utes love the fact that Utah uses their tribe's name. A poll last year (or the year before last) showed over 95% approval among the tribe members.

The University consults with the tribe often to make sure the feel they're being portrayed in a good light.
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Well now I don't like champ. He better play well and shut up from here on out, because I don't care about a single thing he has to say.

If Indian people are this easily offended then that's just too bad. I can tell you that if a team wanted to call themselves the whiteskins, I would say that sounds really weird but it surely doesn't offend me. I'm tired of the crying about everything being racist. It's only racist if you make it that way! Stop making everything about you. Nobody cares. No matter how butt hurt you want to be, I can promise you that nobody was thinking about you when they came up with the name, because it's not about you. It will never be about you. Shut up, stop feeling sorry for yourself and go find something productive to do with your time. It's none of your business what a franchise calls itself. You don't own it.

If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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One race can't determine how offensive a word is to another race. Give it up with the "they use it, so why can't we" talk. **** sounds stupid. You can call your friends things other people can't and everything is fine and dandy. Quit trying to make an argument out of some **** that can be really simple.

Washington needs to just change the damn name.
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One race can't determine how offensive a word is to another race. Give it up with the "they use it, so why can't we" talk. **** sounds stupid. You can call your friends things other people can't and everything is fine and dandy. Quit trying to make an argument out of some **** that can be really simple.

Washington needs to just change the damn name.
Are you aware that we all belong to the same race? It's called the human race. Color has nothing to do with race. People of all colors can point to some time that their ancestors went through. It has nothing to do with the present. Nobody is trying to step on anyone's toes. But some people are just determined to play the perpetual victim in every possible scenario.

And you know what else? You made a comment that didn't have anything to do with this redskins name, but I found it ridiculous nonetheless. You say you're tired of hearing "they use it so why can't we". Look, lot's of words are used in lot's of different contexts. I'm not defending some of the things that people say to each other. But IF you are offended by a certain word, I don't care what the context is, you shouldn't use it if you don't want others to use it. I don't care how you talk to your friends. But don't use whatever word you feel like in one minute and tell somebody they can't use that same word the next. It's hypocritical. I think people getting all up in a tizzy over a word is dumb. But I'm not telling people what they can say. You have no right to decide what words a person can use if you think you have the right to say whatever you want. Simple.
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If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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Are you aware that we all belong to the same race? It's called the human race. Color has nothing to do with race. People of all colors can point to some time that their ancestors went through. It has nothing to do with the present. Nobody is trying to step on anyone's toes. But some people are just determined to play the perpetual victim in every possible scenario.

And you know what else? You made a comment that didn't have anything to do with this redskins name, but I found it ridiculous nonetheless. You say you're tired of hearing "they use it so why can't we". Look, lot's of words are used in lot's of different contexts. I'm not defending some of the things that people say to each other. But IF you are offended by a certain word, I don't care what the context is, you shouldn't use it if you don't want others to use it. I don't care how you talk to your friends. But don't use whatever word you feel like in one minute and tell somebody they can't use that same word the next. It's hypocritical. I think people getting all up in a tizzy over a word is dumb. But I'm not telling people what they can say. You have no right to decide what words a person can use if you think you have the right to say whatever you want. Simple.
The whole world is built on hypocritical **** and this is the battle you want to fight? Everything is situational and contextual. This **** ain't black and white, no pun intended. Life is dynamic. Now personally, I use the n word all day everyday and I don't care who else uses it. You can say whatever you want, but if you piss somebody off and get shot or beat up I don't want to hear how messed up it is. This **** isn't a hard concept to understand, but people want to make it an argument and discussion. It's nothing to discuss. It's nothing to talk about. The majority of blacks are uncomfortable with white people using the word. Point blank period. If the Native Americans don't like the use of Redskin, change the ****. We may all be human but it definitely doesn't work like that in the real world. Never has.

In a nutshell you're telling an entire sub group of people what they should and shouldn't be offended by. I'm offended if you call me an ass hole but if my brother does I don't care. He's my brother. If my friend does I don't care. He's my friend. So quit pretending like the n word is the only word that works like this. You know exactly why black people are sensitive to white people using the word.

Redskins need to change the name. Point blank.
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The whole world is built on hypocritical **** and this is the battle you want to fight? Everything is situational and contextual. This **** ain't black and white, no pun intended. Life is dynamic. Now personally, I use the n word all day everyday and I don't care who else uses it. You can say whatever you want, but if you piss somebody off and get shot or beat up I don't want to hear how messed up it is. This **** isn't a hard concept to understand, but people want to make it an argument and discussion. It's nothing to discuss. It's nothing to talk about. The majority of blacks are uncomfortable with white people using the word. Point blank period. If the Native Americans don't like the use of Redskin, change the ****. We may all be human but it definitely doesn't work like that in the real world. Never has.

In a nutshell you're telling an entire sub group of people what they should and shouldn't be offended by. I'm offended if you call me an ass hole but if my brother does I don't care. He's my brother. If my friend does I don't care. He's my friend. So quit pretending like the n word is the only word that works like this. You know exactly why black people are sensitive to white people using the word.

Redskins need to change the name. Point blank.
You are a picture perfect example of what I'm talking about. YOU are a hypocrite. YOU think you can say whatever you want but others can't. Now if I call you any name and I clearly have anger in my tone, and it's obvious that I'm making an attack on you, then you have a reason to be offended. But a team naming themselves redskins is just a name. They're not called the "Red Skinned Savages" are they? There is no attack being made. Yet you have a group of people who have decided this is offensive. I say too bad. And if YOU are uncomfortable by a word, then stop encouraging it. Anybody can call you any kind of offensive name. And the same goes for you toward others. So if you don't like the "N word", fine. Go have it outlawed. But you're going to need to outlaw all the others and be prepared to stop using them yourself. What's my point? You're words are no better than anyone else's. But you think you deserve special consideration, and for what? For what reason do you deserve this? I don't hate anyone. I hate a lot of things that some people stand for, but I don't hate people. I don't call people things that I think will hurt them. But when I hear the whining of some people about the very things that they, themselves, do and say everyday, it makes my blood boil.

And by the way, the world is not built on hypocrisy. But it is most certainly being destroyed by it. Selfish people... People such as yourself, who think everything is cause for a fight, that the whole world is against you and you have to be offended by everything. But you don't know what other people go through in all corners of the world. You don't know because you don't care. You don't know the struggles I've been through or my siblings or parents, or any of my ancestors. I don't expect you to. You're not responsible for any of us. I don't need your pity. I don't need my own pity. I just deal with life and move on. That's what a reasonable person does.

If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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You are a picture perfect example of what I'm talking about. YOU are a hypocrite. YOU think you can say whatever you want but others can't. Now if I call you any name and I clearly have anger in my tone, and it's obvious that I'm making an attack on you, then you have a reason to be offended. But a team naming themselves redskins is just a name. They're not called the "Red Skinned Savages" are they? There is no attack being made. Yet you have a group of people who have decided this is offensive. I say too bad. And if YOU are uncomfortable by a word, then stop encouraging it. Anybody can call you any kind of offensive name. And the same goes for you toward others. So if you don't like the "N word", fine. Go have it outlawed. But you're going to need to outlaw all the others and be prepared to stop using them yourself. What's my point? You're words are no better than anyone else's. But you think you deserve special consideration, and for what? For what reason do you deserve this? I don't hate anyone. I hate a lot of things that some people stand for, but I don't hate people. I don't call people things that I think will hurt them. But when I hear the whining of some people about the very things that they, themselves, do and say everyday, it makes my blood boil.

And by the way, the world is not built on hypocrisy. But it is most certainly being destroyed by it. Selfish people... People such as yourself, who think everything is cause for a fight, that the whole world is against you and you have to be offended by everything. But you don't know what other people go through in all corners of the world. You don't know because you don't care. You don't know the struggles I've been through or my siblings or parents, or any of my ancestors. I don't expect you to. You're not responsible for any of us. I don't need your pity. I don't need my own pity. I just deal with life and move on. That's what a reasonable person does.
I clearly said you can say whatever you want. I am not one of the black people who says you can't say the n word. And with that, you should be able to respect whatever reaction you get from me or anybody else when you do. You use it around me, I'm not trippin. I lose all respect for you, but I'm not trippin. I make it a point to not use it around people who aren't black. But it's cool, I'll be a hypocrite. But you are too. And so is everybody else in some form or fashion. So you can take it how you want. Better yet, if this is the fight you want to fight go ahead and start using it in your everyday speech. Go up to a group of blacks and try it out, and if you get hurt take it to court. Put it all on the line. You seem pretty passionate about it.

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