Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 597586)

I did address it. He has made made it clear he wants to be designated WR money. His unwillingness to agree to less is a demand. How did you miss that? You want me to show you an exact quote from him? When do we ever get those? They let their agents do all the talking. Agents don't think for players, they work for them. They offer advice, but ultimately the choices are up to the players. You make it seem as though players have no say in negotiations and that's absurd on your part.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 597587)

No. That is where you are terribly mistaken. The NFLPA acts on what they feel is for the good of the membership as a whole. The NFLPA jumped on this opportunity. You are naive if you feel that Graham instigated this affair. It was entirely NFLPA driven. Did they get Graham's buy in? Of course, he really had no choice. Did he want to be recognized as the player who refused to help "the cause"?

And once again, you are making claims that Graham has asked for anything. Search it out. Find anyone other than the NFLPA via the frachise tag amount that have stated anything about any demand.

Any.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 597588)

I'm sorry, but you have not. Show me any source that attributes Jimmy Graham as to have made any demands or having turned down any deal. Hell. Show me any quote from his agent Sexton then, that he has turned an offer or made any demands.

Do that. That all. Because it has never happened.

Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 597589)

Stop posting for two seconds and read my above reply, wise guy. Do you have any information showing exactly who initiated what? Show me. Don't tell me what you think you understand.

I'm going by common sense, and it is my opinion. If you want to believe another thing, you go right ahead. I don't recall asking you any questions. Neither graham nor the union has a case. The numbers show that his performance is well below average when lined up wide against a corner.

Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 597584)

I understand what you're saying. I don't disagree with you at all on what the tactic is. But I'm saying that I don't think he's worth WR money, and I doubt the Saints do either. I'm sure they would be willing to pay more than 7 million, but since obviously negotiations aren't working they did what they had to do. Slap the franchise tag and hope he accepts it. Which of course he hasn't.

So it's not so much about the franchise tag as it is about him not being willing to accept a reasonable number on contract. Asylum will say there has been no offer, but you know there have been negotiations. It's ludicrous to think otherwise.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 597592)

Graham knows that. You know that. I know that. His agent knows that. This is all about the NFLPA trying to flex their muscle via the CBA. Hell, Graham calls himself a TE everywhere. That IS what he is.

I will guarantee you that Sexton or Graham have never demanded WR money. This is all NFLPA vs. NFL politics. Don't blame Graham. He is not at fault for anything.

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint (Post 597593)

What did the Saints offer and he rejected that has you so mad?

Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 597590)

And you know this how? You think they are going to tell you what they are negotiating? Does not the absence of a deal show a demand is not being met. We have heard for months they were in talks. So what were they talking about? shoes? Get over yourself guy.

Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 597589)

Stop posting for two seconds and read my above reply, wise guy. Do you have any information showing exactly who initiated what? Show me. Don't tell me what you think you understand.

I'm going by common sense, and it is my opinion. If you want to believe another thing, you go right ahead. I don't recall asking you any questions. Neither graham nor the union has a case. The numbers show that his performance is well below average when lined up wide against a corner.

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint (Post 597597)

Actually the numbers show that since he's been a starter, he's scored more touchdowns than any wide receiver in the NFL and only 5 wide receivers have earned more yards. Last season he scored the same number of touchdowns wide as he did tight.