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AsylumGuido 06-18-2014 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 597594)
So then he can end it. The union doesn't have power over anyone. They simply represent. He can negotiate his own terms. He knows where the Saints stand, and he knows how much they are paying Drew. So if he wants to be here it's up to him. So even if he didn't initiate this, he can stop it. And you can call this conjecture, but reading some of the things he's said over the last couple months leads me to believe he feels disrespected. So it's hard for me to believe that he has nothing to do with this.
That's the whole point. Jimmy Graham has never said anything concerning this negotiation. Nothing at all. Zip. Zero. Nada.

I don't know where you are getting that false impression, but Graham has never made any statement, tweet, facebook post or any other mention of any thing to do with any contract terms.

If that is what pisses you off you have wasted a ton of piss.

:D

AsylumGuido 06-18-2014 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 597598)
The numbers how that lined up against a corner he is WAY below even the declining Colston. As much as drew forces it to him, he should do a lot more with his chances if he thinks he's a wide receiver.
He has never claimed to be a WR. He knows what he is. This is the NFLPA vs. the NFL. That is all. Geez.

:rolleyes:

burningmetal 06-18-2014 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 597596)
So, when did they tell you that Graham turned down an offer? And when did they tell you about demands for WR money around $12 million?

All I am discrediting is that either of the above have happened as many claim. I have no clue what they are negotiating or what offers have or have not been made. But Jimmy Graham is being crucified by many saying he has turned down a supposed offer and has demanded a supposed demand.

It is you and others, not me, that are making the claims. All I am saying is don't believe the hype. It is all media driven and is seldom anywhere near the truth.
I never said anything about demands to begin with. Not contract demands. But you can use a little common sense to figure out that talks aren't going so well if they had to place the franchise tag, and then the subsequent legal battle kinds of boils down to turning down the franchise tag, wouldn't you say? But you want to blame the NFLPA. Fine. You no nothing more than I do about who did what. So why are you on my case if you have no more proof than I?

Utah_Saint 06-18-2014 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 597598)
The numbers how that lined up against a corner he is WAY below even the declining Colston. As much as drew forces it to him, he should do a lot more with his chances if he thinks he's a wide receiver.
He's scored the most touchdowns in the NFL and you're saying he should "do a lot more"?

burningmetal 06-18-2014 07:01 PM
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That is your opinion. Lawyers speak for their clients. This is foreign to you? You've said the same thing over and over. I don't see your proof. I know what I believe. Let HIM prove me wrong. I hope he does. Your words are meaningless to me.

AsylumGuido 06-18-2014 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 597601)
I never said anything about demands to begin with. Not contract demands. But you can use a little common sense to figure out that talks aren't going so well if they had to place the franchise tag, and then the subsequent legal battle kinds of boils down to turning down the franchise tag, wouldn't you say? But you want to blame the NFLPA. Fine. You no nothing more than I do about who did what. So why are you on my case if you have no more proof than I?
Common sense. Both the NFLPA and the NFL wants this issue resolved. It was first addressed with Terrell Suggs with DE vs. LB. That matter never made it to arbitration. I would suspect that the NFLPA has pressured Sexton to tread water and the NFL has asked Loomis and the Saints to do the same to get this issue settled once and for all.

We all know the Saints and Graham will make a deal and the tag won't have any affect on him. The exact same thing happened with the Brees tag. We all knew he would get the deal and not play on the tag, but the PA and the league wanted it ironed out first.

burningmetal 06-18-2014 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Utah_Saint (Post 597602)
He's scored the most touchdowns in the NFL and you're saying he should "do a lot more"?
Drew could throw touchdowns to any one of his receivers when we get in the redzone. Jimmy is his favorite target. But what happens when the other team puts a corner on him? He does nothing. He has shown zero ability to make the tough plays when we need him to, particularly against the better defenses. You don't see other elite WR's CONSISTENTLY disappearing in those games. And remember the franchise number is based on the top few salaries at the position.

burningmetal 06-18-2014 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 597604)
Common sense. Both the NFLPA and the NFL wants this issue resolved. It was first addressed with Terrell Suggs with DE vs. LB. That matter never made it to arbitration. I would suspect that the NFLPA has pressured Sexton to tread water and the NFL has asked Loomis and the Saints to do the same to get this issue settled once and for all.

We all know the Saints and Graham will make a deal and the tag won't have any affect on him. The exact same thing happened with the Brees tag. We all knew he would get the deal and not play on the tag, but the PA and the league wanted it ironed out first.
Drew made more than the tag. Drew wasn't claiming another position. That is literally the worst example you could have given.

AsylumGuido 06-18-2014 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 597603)
That is your opinion. Lawyers speak for their clients. This is foreign to you? You've said the same thing over and over. I don't see your proof. I know what I believe. Let HIM prove me wrong. I hope he does. Your words are meaningless to me.
I don't need proof because I am not making the definitive statements that Graham turned down offers, and made demands, and as you claimed, had "some of the things he's said over the last couple months".

You prove yourself right about those simple claims. All that would take is a web search if they were true.

Simple as that.

Utah_Saint 06-18-2014 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 597605)
Drew could throw touchdowns to any one of his receivers when we get in the redzone. Jimmy is his favorite target. But what happens when the other team puts a corner on him? He does nothing. He has shown zero ability to make the tough plays when we need him to, particularly against the better defenses. You don't see other elite WR's CONSISTENTLY disappearing in those games. And remember the franchise number is based on the top few salaries at the position.
He scored the most touchdowns in the NFL and you call that "consistently disappearing"?

In the regular season, he scored touchdowns in 11 games and in another he went over a hundred yards.

If it corners can easily shut him down why wouldn't every team just put a corner on him and be done with it?

And when you say he has zero ability to play against better defenses, you do realize he scored 3 touchdowns against Carolina and 1 against Seattle right? 4 touchdowns in 4 games is good, against top 3 defenses it's REALLY good.


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