GumboBC

I prefer to call a spade a spade. This o-line is one of the worst in the NFL. They weren\'t great at pass blocking last year, which I pointed out many times, now they can\'t run block for one of the best RBs in the game.

I don\'t know if you\'re making excuses for the O-line, but IMHO, you\'re way off base. Brooks coming of the snap slowly is reaching. How do you explain him getting instant pressure in the shotgun?

Everything always seems to go back to Brooks.

How \'bout Eli Manning? Is Eli making is O-line play poorly?

WhoDat

And here it is folks. Please read carefully. This isn\'t about AB, or coaching, or the team in any way. This is Billy trying to settle old scores. Do not mistake what he says for what he means - in other words, don\'t be blind to his \"agenda.\" LOL

Just look at what the guy said:

We are pathetic on the O-line.
We are pathetic on Defense.
We have bad coaching.
Deuce is struggling some but it\'s not all his fault.
And Brooks is struggling but it\'s a long way from being all his fault.

We are bad along the line right now, not pathetic. We are pathetic on D. Coaching is terrible, something he argued with me over tooth and nail for over a year. The important thing is that you should notice that only Brooks is \"a long way\" from fault. Deuce is responsible for his own play. So is the line, so is the defense... but not Brooks. When AB plays poorly it\'s \"a long way from his fault.\"

Despite what you want to say, AB may be servicable and may not be worse than a lot of QBs in the league, but in my opinion, he needs to go. QB is the most important position on the field. Billy has argued this fact as well, but on most teams, they play like their QB. Think about it. GB wins 3 or 4 and then has a meltdown game. Sound like Favre to you? Brady is smart and scrappy and refuses to lose - sound like the Patties? Delhomme may not be great but he played great for the Panthers last year. Indy plays explosive and smart but not real tough.

Thus, when you look at AB is it any real shock that the Saints have been up and down? Is it any shock that they\'re loaded with talent but just can\'t seem to get it done? AB was forced into being the leader of this team by Haslett and his own mouth. Well, gentlemen, this is what you get. Happy? As Danno has said time again, this team needs an identity change. Haslett and Brooks are two of the biggest \"identities\" on this team and maybe the two who are underachieving the most. Time to go.

\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. That’s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans Saints’ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse


\"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"

GumboBC

WhoDat --

The only reason I pick on you is because of the way your present your arguement. In other words, when you ALWAYS point out how right you were and never point to when you are wrong... well .... you come off as being a bit brash.......LMAO

Seriously, I don\'t care if you were right or wrong. It\'s no big surprise to me what you\'re posting on here. I could go 10-years without reading your posts and still tell everyone what you are posting... A lepord doesn\'t change his spots... LOL

See... I blame Brooks for his mistakes. Just not every mistake the whole team makes.

You don\'t blame Brooks for 100% of the problems.... Just 99% and that will never change.

JKool

johnny,

Maybe it was the crack... :seeingstars:

Actually, I was responding to 4ss\' idea that if we got a LB, OL, and CB, we could evaluate our QB.

That said, I kind of agree with his point. Football is a team game (surprise!), which means that it is difficult to evaluate players in isolation based on what you see on the field during a game, which is where I think the bulk of evaluation should occur.

Consider, WhoDat\'s hatred for the Duece arguments; here is a good Duece argument:

IF the reason you believe Duece is \"struggling\" this season is because the game plan must be changed because we\'re always down by 20, the OL is nothing but pure carp (he he), and that he has bad coaching/play calling, THEN it is perfectly acceptable to think that about Brooks too.

"... I was beating them with my eyes the whole game..." - Aaron Brooks

JKool

I think I\'m partially inclined to agree with Whodi on this one.

There are times that Brooks makes the OL look worse than they already are. Consider the two cases: (1) he steps out of the back of the pocket - who does this other than AB, I mean really? OT\'s aren\'t THAT fast that they can get back and block for a QB who steps out of the protection fifteen yards behind the LOS. (2) He does take forever to get out from under center. I don\'t remember that being a problem last year?!

The second one may be forgiveable. If you were knocked for mishandling the snap all the time and known for putting the ball on the carpet all the time, you might take an extra moment to take care of that. I hypothesize that this may be Bentley\'s fault and not Brooks. The center exchange may be awkward. I have no evidence for this other than it didn\'t seem to be such a problem last year. What do you guys think?

As for one, it seems to me to ABs fault, pure and simple, but I\'m willing to hear argument one way or the other.

"... I was beating them with my eyes the whole game..." - Aaron Brooks

JKool

Gator,

I couldn\'t agree more (at least on the points about agendas, bias, and being a fan).

I think you and I made similar arguments a year ago at about this time. I guess we never learn?

saintswhodi

Excellent point Kool about Brooks maybe trying to ensure he gets the snap. I hadn\'t even thought of that when I was watching it. All I could think was, why is this fool taking so long to get from under center? There were plays where the guards were nearly behind him by the time he was backing up. Now you tell me how an o-line is supposed to compensate for that? They are bad no doubt, but that adds to it. If the exchange is the problem, then it is the coaches\' faults also for not recognizing it earlier. The question is, is it Brooks\' fault just for mismanaging snaps(remember all the phanton fumbles last year) or is it Bentley\'s fault? That\'s the million dollar question, submitted to you Gumbo. Kool had my back on this one, and brought a strong observation.

saintswhodi

I don\'t know if you watched the game Sunday Gumbo, but after the first quarter, the line played their best game all season. They opened holes for Deuce and there was no pressure on Brooks to speak of. He had all day in the shotgun and got his best yards there, I even wrote about it in another thread. But despite all this, he still looked only okay to bad. Brooks looks like a guy playing out the string. His passes were terrible, with no pressure on him. I am sure you could say, well all season long the line has been bad and that\'s why he looked bad, but there was no such excuse against Dallas. Explain to me the reason he threw the goalline INT with zero pressure. Explain to me how he throws a ball into double coverage with zero pressure, giving Roy Williams his first pick of the year. Explain to me how he throws balls into the turf on crossing routes with no pressure. Explain to me how he can\'t hit a simple out route to an open receiver cause he has no idea what touch is. The defense played great, Brooks had no pressure, so what is his excuse for 1 TD and 2 picks and generally looking apathetic the whole game? And barely completing 50% of his passes? Since backing up from center too slow wasn\'t a viable excuse, funny how others notice it too, some not even Saints fans. I guess they also have \"agendas\" for the Saints or are making excuses for OUR o-line.

JKool

(08 should never have told me about all the smileys... where the heck is he anyway?)

saintswhodi

Good one Kool. I\'m waiting too.
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