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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; When contain gets broken players begin to come up and try to make a play. That's the threat of a running quarterback....

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Old 11-11-2014, 04:31 PM   #21
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Re: The Sinkhole: Vaccaro #3

When contain gets broken players begin to come up and try to make a play. That's the threat of a running quarterback.
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Old 11-11-2014, 04:40 PM   #22
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When contain gets broken players begin to come up and try to make a play. That's the threat of a running quarterback.
True.

But KV is the worst safety in the league for the season, not just that one awful play. I won't defend him, because as Danno knows I was hard on Jenkins/Harper when they were with us... well right now I wouldn't mind having them back.
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Old 11-11-2014, 04:45 PM   #23
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Lofton is also the "worst" LB according to PFF. That's not accurate.
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Old 11-11-2014, 04:49 PM   #24
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 View Post
Lofton is also the "worst" LB according to PFF. That's not accurate.
FFS do we need to split hairs on everything...

So what are you saying? KV might be the worst or he might not, or maybe he is the second worst... ****

All I know is he is playing like ****, don't need PFF to tell me that.
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Old 11-11-2014, 05:08 PM   #25
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Re: The Sinkhole: Vaccaro #3

Originally Posted by blackangold View Post
FFS do we need to split hairs on everything...

So what are you saying? KV might be the worst or he might not, or maybe he is the second worst... ****

All I know is he is playing like ****, don't need PFF to tell me that.
You need to give a few more hints to what **** means. Is it s**t or f**k? Son of a f***in b**ch I'm so confused...
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Re: The Sinkhole: Vaccaro #3

Originally Posted by |Mitch| View Post
We haven't seen much of the three safety this year; that would be ideal... Bush, Sunseri/Ball, with Vaccaro roaming the LOS; just like last year
Ideally, I'd like to see this happen as well. At the same time, he forgot how to tackle to rendering him pretty damn useless in all aspects.

Send his ass home to his momma's house so he can get a nice home cooked meal and get his mind right. Start Sunseri for a game and re-evaluate from there. He needs to get out of his own head and his mind off of football imo.
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Originally Posted by blackangold View Post
FFS do we need to split hairs on everything...

So what are you saying? KV might be the worst or he might not, or maybe he is the second worst... ****

All I know is he is playing like ****, don't need PFF to tell me that.
You're calling him the "worst safety in the league". It's simply not true - whether you got it from PFF or not.

I'm saying PFF is wrong also.
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Re: The Sinkhole: Vaccaro #3

PFF is as legit as Madden ratings.
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Originally Posted by |Mitch| View Post
We haven't seen much of the three safety this year; that would be ideal... Bush, Sunseri/Ball, with Vaccaro roaming the LOS; just like last year
I like the idea with the exception of Ball. He hasn't exactly lit it up as I thought he would. As for Sunseri, let the kid play more. He is bright and has a very high football IQ.
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Old 11-11-2014, 06:32 PM   #30
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They had a blown coverage assignment on a 28-yard pass in the final seconds at Cleveland in Week 2. They had a series of missed tackles on Golden Tate's 73-yard touchdown catch in the final minutes at Detroit in Week 7. Then they got burned by San Francisco quarterback Colin Kaepernick's big arm when they left Michael Crabtree wide open for a 51-yard catch on a fourth-and-10 play this past Sunday (click here for an extensive breakdown).

Saints safety Kenny Vaccaro was the deep safety who decided to roll his coverage to the middle of the field instead of staying back on Crabtree. After watching the tape, Vaccaro admitted Monday that if he could redo it, maybe he would have stayed deeper. But he disagreed with TV analyst Tony Dungy, whom Vaccaro said called him "undisciplined."

"When a guy rolls out, we're taught as safeties, you gotta roll with him. And he was at the far sideline. … Once he shuts down half the field, we close half the field. He just has a cannon, that's it," explained Vaccaro, who said he decided to run up on tight end Vernon Davis in the middle of the field instead because he considered him a bigger threat and had seen Kaepernick make a similar throw on film.


sounds all good and everything except one thing.

worth repeating

"When a guy rolls out, we're taught as safeties, you gotta roll with him. And he was at the far sideline

Kenny bud, you were the last saint on the opposite side of the field. all that other crap does not cut it. you blew it simple and plan. you were responsible for the last line defense to the side he rolled too. from that side of the field deep is were you should have been.

you were too cut him off at the goal line from your position when the play unfolded. not chase Kap or Davis down the field. which by the way you would never have caught because you are not fast enough. you bailed and to make matters worse you gave up any angle of pursuit advantage you may have had.

you blew it. end of story

As who to blame? depends. When we drafted Kenny it was not for his coverage skills or his ability to be a true SS in the NFL. draft over hype? that was not his role in college and that by all odds will never be his role on this team unless we see major changes in his play. he is last for a reason

question is what to do with him?

i guess we ride the horse to the end and see what develops. then decide in the off season. maybe another of our many SS can step up and we can go back to using Kenny at what he does best. A pest all over the field. which in my opinion he maybe one of the best in the NFL at driving players crazy.

Rob Ryan does not escape this one. this is his #1 pick to fit this scheme. he needs to make this work and stop this down hill slide the saints defense is on since the bye week of last year. injuries are no excuse at this point.

IMO use him like you did last year. he is great at it.
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