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Re: Should we fire RR?

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Originally Posted by papz (Post 633288)

I'd like to show him some loyalty and keep him around for another season. There are plenty of scapegoats but I think it's set bad precedent for future signings/hires to give up on someone so soon. He had one great year and one horrible year... Id like to give him a fair shake and see what we can do next season. Because if we're going to fire Ryan, there are plenty coaches on both sides of the ball, and players for that matter, that have shown to be productive in the past that should be shown the door as well.

^^^THIS^^^

This is the problem: Too Many Guaranteed Contracts

How does Ryan motivate guys without the fear of them losing their jobs?!?

Problem is we need a General Manager to offset, challenge Coach Payton with a different perspective take on our personnel disposition...

Loomis and a good bit of the scouting department must go, now!!!

And like the above states, you keep firing people and fail to give them the ammo to succeed, no talented coach is going to want to come here...

Re: Should we fire RR?

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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 633279)

What do you guys think?

After yesterdays debacle; why is he still here? The question is not should we, it's why haven't we.......................??????????????????

Re: Should we fire RR?

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 633600)

^^^THIS^^^

This is the problem: Too Many Guaranteed Contracts

Loomis and a good bit of the scouting department must go, now!!!

And like the above states, you keep firing people and fail to give them the ammo to succeed, no talented coach is going to want to come here...

+1. We allow too many players/coaches to 'hang around'. Time to produce or show you the door. Our scouts have done a horrible job at evaluating talent.

Re: Should we fire RR?

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 633618)

+1. We allow too many players/coaches to 'hang around'. Time to produce or show you the door. Our scouts have done a horrible job at evaluating talent.

We have "scouts"?

Dang. They get paid, too, I reckon?

Re: Should we fire RR?

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 633600)

[B]^^^THIS^^^

How does Ryan motivate guys without the fear of them losing their jobs?!?

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Every team has this same issue, if he can't motivate them then he is 100% the problem. That's his job. I think anyway. SP too.

One thing I will say, we didn't lose this past week because of the defense.

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Originally Posted by Barry from MS (Post 633529)

...Like it or not, we are seeing the effects of that Bounty Gate crap. Call it a cop out or what not for the way this year has unfolded at 7-9 or 6-10 if you like, but losing TWO 2nd Round draft picks or having the option of trading those picks for veterans with leadership qualities and most importantly breaking the continuity of leadership Sean Payton had between 2011 & 2013 showed up in 2014....

Hay, much much worse. I think you are right.

Re: Should we fire RR?

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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 633657)

Every team has this same issue, if he can't motivate them then he is 100% the problem. That's his job. I think anyway. SP too.

One thing I will say, we didn't lose this past week because of the defense.

I disagree. The defense was just as horrible as the offense. Both sides stunk. I don't think Matt Ryan even had to wash his uniform after the game.

Re: Should we fire RR?

Defense did more than expected against atl.....if offense can't sustain and keep the defense on the field all game yesterday's game will look like it did......d held atl in check for nearly the first half while offense stunk it up....so I say give him another chance at least half season next year he did work a miracle with this d with the same positions coach he deserves a pass to me

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Re: Should we fire RR?

I think our offense made our defense much worse than it is. Not saying that they shouldn't get a lot of the blame but I would give him one more year.

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I don't know what the final numbers will look like at the end of the year, but the EYEBALL test tells me that, this defense is probably every bit as bad as the 2012 "Worst In History" unit.

The only real difference I see, is the 2012 defense gave up a few more colossal failures on epic big ugly plays in each game. (RGIII's coming out party, the big Jamaal Charles run, the Vincent Jackson pass where Malcolm Jenkins chased him down on the goal line, DeAngelo Williams breaking loose for a 65-yard run, etc. etc). These few plays, of course made the yardage totals go up, the stats were a bit more horrible, but in actual practice the two defenses of 2012 and 2014 are basically both the same: completely impotent, when you get right down to it.

Think about what you saw. The defense this year was the exact same as 2012! The other team would line up, get in their base offense, run, pass, scramble, pick us apart. They'd do whatever they wanted to do, and strut down the field to score, without any push back or opposition from the Saints.

No turnovers, no game changing plays, no decisive sacks, no nothing. No adjustments were ever needed from the other team's QB or coaches, EVER. Whether it was 1st down, 2nd down, or 3rd down, late in the game or early, it didn't matter. The result was always the same. The other team would just march down the field and score whatever points they needed to score. Again and again, this defense could NOT stop anybody. Just like 2012.

The only truly stout games they had were against QBs who were injured: Rodgers (hamstring), and Roethlesberger (hand). And in both those games, before the injuries happened or when the injuries wore off (1st half Green Bay and 4th quarter Steelers), the other team moved the ball pretty much at will against the pitiful Saints. Oh, and they looked good against the Bears. I guess that is something?

I don't know whether you fire Ryan or not, but at minimum he definitely needs to be taken behind the woodshed and roughed up a bit. On paper it would seem strange if Spagnuolo got the sack for his bad defense, and Ryan gets a pass for his, but who knows.