Saints players offer strong support for Rob Ryan

Mardigras9 · 12-23-2014, 11:06 AM

Ryan can't make the players on the field get through the blocks to get pressure. Hell 7 guys on the line couldn't get pressure most times. Can't blame Ryan, he had to dance with who he brought.

SaintsBro · 12-23-2014, 01:28 PM

This is the thing. This thread discussion is SO CLOSE to it, but everybody's still kinda tiptoeing around and not quite there yet. Yes, it is a coordinator issue. But it's more than just that.

The thing is, the Goodell bounty stuff is STILL in Payton's head. TO THIS DAY. His mind has been completely messed up, ever since it happened to him. Like when you put a prisoner in a dark box for a month or something, he's not the same man when he comes out. Payton is NOT going to easily give up control of the defensive side of the locker room, to some DC's personal assistants that Payton can't control. Those same old same old coordinators are in there for a reason, because they are Yes Men to Payton, and because he got railroaded, and the Bountygate stuff is STILL all up inside Payton's head TO THIS DAY. On one level, he is completely and totally paranoid. Control freak, yes. Perfectionist, yes. He always was one, but the aftershocks of the Bounty thing has made it spin off in weird ways.

I think maybe one or two coordinators may go, emphasis on MAY go, out the door. But a wholesale house cleaning, top to bottom? I don't see it happening, unless Payton is somehow forced to.

CharityMike · 12-23-2014, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

This is the thing. This thread discussion is SO CLOSE to it, but everybody's still kinda tiptoeing around and not quite there yet. Yes, it is a coordinator issue. But it's more than just that.

The thing is, the Goodell bounty stuff is STILL in Payton's head. TO THIS DAY. His mind has been completely messed up, ever since it happened to him. Like when you put a prisoner in a dark box for a month or something, he's not the same man when he comes out. Payton is NOT going to easily give up control of the defensive side of the locker room, to some DC's personal assistants that Payton can't control. Those same old same old coordinators are in there for a reason, because they are Yes Men to Payton, and because he got railroaded, and the Bountygate stuff is STILL all up inside Payton's head TO THIS DAY. On one level, he is completely and totally paranoid. Control freak, yes. Perfectionist, yes. He always was one, but the aftershocks of the Bounty thing has made it spin off in weird ways.

I think maybe one or two coordinators may go, emphasis on MAY go, out the door. But a wholesale house cleaning, top to bottom? I don't see it happening, unless Payton is somehow forced to.

I want to agree with you. But my question would be, what about last year. How do you explain the drop off? Payton hand would have been in RR pocket just as much last year as this year.

Mr.Riaton · 12-23-2014, 06:23 PM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

This is the thing. This thread discussion is SO CLOSE to it, but everybody's still kinda tiptoeing around and not quite there yet. Yes, it is a coordinator issue. But it's more than just that.

The thing is, the Goodell bounty stuff is STILL in Payton's head. TO THIS DAY. His mind has been completely messed up, ever since it happened to him. Like when you put a prisoner in a dark box for a month or something, he's not the same man when he comes out. Payton is NOT going to easily give up control of the defensive side of the locker room, to some DC's personal assistants that Payton can't control. Those same old same old coordinators are in there for a reason, because they are Yes Men to Payton, and because he got railroaded, and the Bountygate stuff is STILL all up inside Payton's head TO THIS DAY. On one level, he is completely and totally paranoid. Control freak, yes. Perfectionist, yes. He always was one, but the aftershocks of the Bounty thing has made it spin off in weird ways.

I think maybe one or two coordinators may go, emphasis on MAY go, out the door. But a wholesale house cleaning, top to bottom? I don't see it happening, unless Payton is somehow forced to.

I have to disagree with you on this. Payton is too smart and has too much pride to let a fag like RG get in his head.

dizzle88 · 12-23-2014, 01:36 PM

Plenty of blame to go around

D line could not get pressure, but Ryan had the DB's playing soft coverage

Literally the reason why QB's would carve us up so easily.

I think Ryan will get another year, but I want us to get more physical and use press coverage more.

st thomas · 12-23-2014, 01:57 PM

why is it the joe vitts of the saints don't get sent up the latter as they say in coaches clicks, where there in this fraternity that you will get an opportunity to climb the latter, but like the vitts that stay in the one circle of friends lets me think he just don't have it and nobody wants them.

st thomas · 12-23-2014, 02:06 PM

I wanted big rob sent packing myself several times this year. but you wonder he had no staff to give support. is it that payton calls the shots and wants to protect against the run than have a sack frensey and a 200 yard a game rusher that kills you. we were so lazy some games than some we had sack mania style Jorden vs galette . face it we need another big time rusher that has multible moves, trade off one if we have to. and lets please start looking for another young, colston with more moves' no more short guys.

WillSaints81 · 12-23-2014, 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by st thomas

I wanted big rob sent packing myself several times this year. but you wonder he had no staff to give support. is it that payton calls the shots and wants to protect against the run than have a sack frensey and a 200 yard a game rusher that kills you. we were so lazy some games than some we had sack mania style Jorden vs galette . face it we need another big time rusher that has multible moves, trade off one if we have to. and lets please start looking for another young, colston with more moves' no more short guys.

We held them to 23 offensive points and one of the TDs came off a short field. We didn't execute on offense and one thing I have known with Atlanta is Matt Ryan plays scared when trying to keep up not when given the opportunity to take over. We were hosed on a call additionally that would have dramatically changed this game. We don't need learners on offense we need knowers.

lumm0x · 12-23-2014, 02:38 PM

I do agree that if we are sticking with Rob Ryan he needs to hand pick all of his positional coaches and have 100% autonomy to deal with the defense his way. If that fails he's out. As stated, he was handed his assistants, and while we assume they preached his message, are they the ones to be able to coach what he schemed in the one on one format required of a positional coach? I would give him one more year. Normally you want to see progress year after year but I hate how this league has become a one and done for many players and coaches. What happened to 3 and 5 year plans and allowing things to develop. It's that inconsistency in system that leads to perennial failure in this league. Look at any team that is constantly flipping coaching staffs and you see failure. Look at times with consistent coaching and you see lasting success. Give things time to develop.

This defense has a lot of immature players who were incapable of handling the success of last year and fooled themselves into thinking they were all that. And subsequently they were unable to handle the failure.

As for Payton, he has gone stale and the league has caught up with his tendencies. I expect to see changes from him to determine whether he has the ability to move forward and not continue a backwards slide.

We have a tough offseason ahead of us.

NOLA54 · 12-23-2014, 02:53 PM

Keep Ryan and allow him bring in his own assistants and let some non performing players go, as they admitted in their plea for keeping Ryan, it's the players fault.

12-23-2014, 11:06 AM	#1
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Re: Saints players offer strong support for Rob Ryan Ryan can't make the players on the field get through the blocks to get pressure. Hell 7 guys on the line couldn't get pressure most times. Can't blame Ryan, he had to dance with who he brought.

12-23-2014, 01:28 PM	#2
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints players offer strong support for Rob Ryan This is the thing. This thread discussion is SO CLOSE to it, but everybody's still kinda tiptoeing around and not quite there yet. Yes, it is a coordinator issue. But it's more than just that. The thing is, the Goodell bounty stuff is STILL in Payton's head. TO THIS DAY. His mind has been completely messed up, ever since it happened to him. Like when you put a prisoner in a dark box for a month or something, he's not the same man when he comes out. Payton is NOT going to easily give up control of the defensive side of the locker room, to some DC's personal assistants that Payton can't control. Those same old same old coordinators are in there for a reason, because they are Yes Men to Payton, and because he got railroaded, and the Bountygate stuff is STILL all up inside Payton's head TO THIS DAY. On one level, he is completely and totally paranoid. Control freak, yes. Perfectionist, yes. He always was one, but the aftershocks of the Bounty thing has made it spin off in weird ways. I think maybe one or two coordinators may go, emphasis on MAY go, out the door. But a wholesale house cleaning, top to bottom? I don't see it happening, unless Payton is somehow forced to. SloMotion and captainshawn like this.

12-23-2014, 05:42 PM	#3
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Re: Saints players offer strong support for Rob Ryan Originally Posted by SaintsBro This is the thing. This thread discussion is SO CLOSE to it, but everybody's still kinda tiptoeing around and not quite there yet. Yes, it is a coordinator issue. But it's more than just that. The thing is, the Goodell bounty stuff is STILL in Payton's head. TO THIS DAY. His mind has been completely messed up, ever since it happened to him. Like when you put a prisoner in a dark box for a month or something, he's not the same man when he comes out. Payton is NOT going to easily give up control of the defensive side of the locker room, to some DC's personal assistants that Payton can't control. Those same old same old coordinators are in there for a reason, because they are Yes Men to Payton, and because he got railroaded, and the Bountygate stuff is STILL all up inside Payton's head TO THIS DAY. On one level, he is completely and totally paranoid. Control freak, yes. Perfectionist, yes. He always was one, but the aftershocks of the Bounty thing has made it spin off in weird ways. I think maybe one or two coordinators may go, emphasis on MAY go, out the door. But a wholesale house cleaning, top to bottom? I don't see it happening, unless Payton is somehow forced to. I want to agree with you. But my question would be, what about last year. How do you explain the drop off? Payton hand would have been in RR pocket just as much last year as this year. Mr.Riaton likes this.

12-23-2014, 06:23 PM	#4
Mr.Riaton 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Broussard,La. Posts: 1,308	Re: Saints players offer strong support for Rob Ryan Originally Posted by SaintsBro This is the thing. This thread discussion is SO CLOSE to it, but everybody's still kinda tiptoeing around and not quite there yet. Yes, it is a coordinator issue. But it's more than just that. The thing is, the Goodell bounty stuff is STILL in Payton's head. TO THIS DAY. His mind has been completely messed up, ever since it happened to him. Like when you put a prisoner in a dark box for a month or something, he's not the same man when he comes out. Payton is NOT going to easily give up control of the defensive side of the locker room, to some DC's personal assistants that Payton can't control. Those same old same old coordinators are in there for a reason, because they are Yes Men to Payton, and because he got railroaded, and the Bountygate stuff is STILL all up inside Payton's head TO THIS DAY. On one level, he is completely and totally paranoid. Control freak, yes. Perfectionist, yes. He always was one, but the aftershocks of the Bounty thing has made it spin off in weird ways. I think maybe one or two coordinators may go, emphasis on MAY go, out the door. But a wholesale house cleaning, top to bottom? I don't see it happening, unless Payton is somehow forced to. I have to disagree with you on this. Payton is too smart and has too much pride to let a fag like RG get in his head.

12-23-2014, 01:36 PM	#5
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,523	Re: Saints players offer strong support for Rob Ryan Plenty of blame to go around D line could not get pressure, but Ryan had the DB's playing soft coverage Literally the reason why QB's would carve us up so easily. I think Ryan will get another year, but I want us to get more physical and use press coverage more. MarchingOn likes this.

12-23-2014, 01:57 PM	#6
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: Saints players offer strong support for Rob Ryan why is it the joe vitts of the saints don't get sent up the latter as they say in coaches clicks, where there in this fraternity that you will get an opportunity to climb the latter, but like the vitts that stay in the one circle of friends lets me think he just don't have it and nobody wants them.

12-23-2014, 02:06 PM	#7
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: Saints players offer strong support for Rob Ryan I wanted big rob sent packing myself several times this year. but you wonder he had no staff to give support. is it that payton calls the shots and wants to protect against the run than have a sack frensey and a 200 yard a game rusher that kills you. we were so lazy some games than some we had sack mania style Jorden vs galette . face it we need another big time rusher that has multible moves, trade off one if we have to. and lets please start looking for another young, colston with more moves' no more short guys. halloween 65 likes this.
	thats the fact jack!!!!!

12-23-2014, 07:31 PM	#8
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,276	Re: Saints players offer strong support for Rob Ryan Originally Posted by st thomas I wanted big rob sent packing myself several times this year. but you wonder he had no staff to give support. is it that payton calls the shots and wants to protect against the run than have a sack frensey and a 200 yard a game rusher that kills you. we were so lazy some games than some we had sack mania style Jorden vs galette . face it we need another big time rusher that has multible moves, trade off one if we have to. and lets please start looking for another young, colston with more moves' no more short guys. We held them to 23 offensive points and one of the TDs came off a short field. We didn't execute on offense and one thing I have known with Atlanta is Matt Ryan plays scared when trying to keep up not when given the opportunity to take over. We were hosed on a call additionally that would have dramatically changed this game. We don't need learners on offense we need knowers. teddybarexxx likes this.

12-23-2014, 02:38 PM	#9
lumm0x Resident antediluvian Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,026	Re: Saints players offer strong support for Rob Ryan I do agree that if we are sticking with Rob Ryan he needs to hand pick all of his positional coaches and have 100% autonomy to deal with the defense his way. If that fails he's out. As stated, he was handed his assistants, and while we assume they preached his message, are they the ones to be able to coach what he schemed in the one on one format required of a positional coach? I would give him one more year. Normally you want to see progress year after year but I hate how this league has become a one and done for many players and coaches. What happened to 3 and 5 year plans and allowing things to develop. It's that inconsistency in system that leads to perennial failure in this league. Look at any team that is constantly flipping coaching staffs and you see failure. Look at times with consistent coaching and you see lasting success. Give things time to develop. This defense has a lot of immature players who were incapable of handling the success of last year and fooled themselves into thinking they were all that. And subsequently they were unable to handle the failure. As for Payton, he has gone stale and the league has caught up with his tendencies. I expect to see changes from him to determine whether he has the ability to move forward and not continue a backwards slide. We have a tough offseason ahead of us. dizzle88 likes this.

12-23-2014, 02:53 PM	#10
NOLA54 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,708 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Saints players offer strong support for Rob Ryan Keep Ryan and allow him bring in his own assistants and let some non performing players go, as they admitted in their plea for keeping Ryan, it's the players fault.

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