Savings if cut or traded

Danno · 12-23-2014, 05:45 PM

I've listed the 2015 cap and dead money figures for our 2015 team.

If you look at the table, its obvious that we cannot trade several players that keep popping up in trade scenarios. Aint gonna happen

Player....... Pos...... Cap Figure........ Dead Money........ Savings if cut or traded

Drew Brees QB $26,400,000 ($14,800,000) $11,600,000
Junior Galette OLB $15,450,000 ($16,200,000) ($750,000)
Jimmy Graham TE $11,000,000 ($11,900,000) ($900,000)
Jahri Evans G $11,000,000 ($5,000,000) $6,000,000
Jairus Byrd S $10,300,000 ($8,800,000) $1,500,000
Marques Colston WR $9,700,000 ($5,400,000) $4,300,000
Ben Grubbs G $9,600,000 ($6,000,000) $3,600,000
Curtis Lofton ILB $9,000,000 ($5,000,000) $4,000,000
Cameron Jordan DE $6,969,000 $6,969,000
Brodrick Bunkley DT $6,112,500 ($3,225,000) $2,887,500
David Hawthorne OLB $6,010,000 ($3,020,000) $2,990,000
Keenan Lewis CB $4,850,000 ($6,900,000) ($2,050,000)
Thomas Morstead P $3,400,000 ($2,150,000) $1,250,000
Zach Strief RT $3,200,000 ($6,400,000) ($3,200,000)
Kenny Vaccaro S $2,570,376 ($5,569,148) ($2,998,772)
Pierre Thomas RB $2,565,000 ($830,000) $1,735,000
Rafael Bush S $1,950,000 $1,950,000
Brandin Cooks WR $1,905,330 ($6,077,589) ($4,172,259)
Benjamin Watson TE $1,900,000 ($400,000) $1,500,000
Erik Lorig FB $1,050,000 ($750,000) $300,000
Justin Drescher LS $875,000 ($220,000) $655,000
Stanley Jean-Baptiste CB $826,530 ($1,149,822) ($323,292)
Akiem Hicks DE $808,225 ($135,725) $672,500
Terron Armstead LT $769,359 ($308,718) $460,641
Nick Toon WR $761,903 ($101,903) $660,000
John Jenkins DT $746,890 ($283,780) $463,110
Corey White CB $704,125 ($44,125) $660,000
Kenny Stills WR $633,613 ($97,226) $536,387
Glenn Foster DE $587,334 ($2,334) $585,000
Josh Hill TE $586,668 ($1,668) $585,000
Tim Lelito C $586,668 ($1,668) $585,000
Khiry Robinson RB $585,334 ($334) $585,000
Vinnie Sunseri S $554,125 ($132,375) $421,750
Ronald Powell OLB $552,215 ($126,645) $425,570
Marcus Ball S $512,000 ($4,000) $508,000
Ty Zimmerman S $511,500 $511,500
Brian Dixon CB $510,000 $510,000
Kasim Edebali DE $510,000 $510,000
Austin Johnson FB $510,000 $510,000
Seantavius Jones WR $510,000 $510,000
Kyle Knox OLB $510,000 $510,000
Jalen Saunders WR $510,000 $510,000
Andy Tanner WR $510,000 $510,000
Lawrence Virgil DE $510,000 $510,000

For those not familiar with the term dead money, its the money that would still count against our cap if we cut or traded a player.

dizzle88 · 12-23-2014, 05:58 PM

Nice work danno

In some instances I think we need to take a hit with the dead money to release or trade guys like David Hawthorne or Jahri Evans, however we are already quite far up the creak due to the back loaded contracts

I wouldn't be completely shocked if Colston was let go, although 5 Mil in dead money is a lot for someone that SP probably still values quite a bit

Jack Vegas · 12-23-2014, 06:24 PM

IMO the big cuts are Hawthorne, Bunkley and Evans. That, combined with a Brees restructure, gets you in the black easily, and let's be honest those players won't be missed that much.

I hate to say that about Evans, I really do. But he is about 1/3rd the player he was when he was good.

Loomis will manage the cap masterfully as he always does.

Mr.Riaton · 12-23-2014, 06:26 PM

A savings of 13mil. between Evans and Jordan.....see ya! I hate to see Jordan go, but its a small price to pay for what we get in return. Combine that with a restructuring of Brees and we can build a hell of an O line...theoretically speaking.

Jack Vegas · 12-23-2014, 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Nice work danno

In some instances I think we need to take a hit with the dead money to release or trade guys like David Hawthorne or Jahri Evans, however we are already quite far up the creak due to the back loaded contracts

I wouldn't be completely shocked if Colston was let go, although 5 Mil in dead money is a lot for someone that SP probably still values quite a bit

I think people misunderstand the whole dead money thing. The actual cap savings is much more important. A lot of dead money is inefficient, but it doesn't impact the overall cap number if you are replacing the dead money player with someone of comparable skill and a cheaper salary.

A simple example: For instance, if we cut Colston, we would take 9.7 million overall off the cap. We still have to pay Colston 5.4 million in dead money. But we have 4.3 million left to sign a wide receiver.

And that's the big question when it comes to these moves. Could we find a $4.3 million dollar player in free agency to replace him? It seems likely we could, considering how badly he has played as of late.

The Colts ate a ton of dead money contracts in 2012 and rebuilt that team from the ground up and have now made the playoffs three straight years. It's do-able.

dizzle88 · 12-23-2014, 06:39 PM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

I think people misunderstand the whole dead money thing. The actual cap savings is much more important. A lot of dead money is inefficient, but it doesn't impact the overall cap number if you are replacing the dead money player with someone of comparable skill and a cheaper salary.

A simple example: For instance, if we cut Colston, we would take 9.7 million overall off the cap. We still have to pay Colston 5.4 million in dead money. But we have 4.3 million left to sign a wide receiver.

And that's the big question when it comes to these moves. Could we find a $4.3 million dollar player in free agency to replace him? It seems likely we could, considering how badly he has played as of late.

The Colts ate a ton of dead money contracts in 2012 and rebuilt that team from the ground up and have now made the playoffs three straight years. It's do-able.

Ahh right thanks JV, that's actually helped a bunch because I think I misunderstood the dead money thing quite a bit

So we do have an opportunity to free up quite a bit of money and get rid of any underachievers at the same time.

The Dude · 12-23-2014, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

IMO the big cuts are Hawthorne, Bunkley and Evans. That, combined with a Brees restructure, gets you in the black easily, and let's be honest those players won't be missed that much.

I hate to say that about Evans, I really do. But he is about 1/3rd the player he was when he was good.

Loomis will manage the cap masterfully as he always does.

Evans had the benefit of another pro bowl guard right next to him. I believe due to the way Brees plays it is more important for us to have strong guards than tackles. If we got a strong guard to play next to Evans I think we can still get enough solid play out of him to protect Brees for the rest of Brees career. When Brees is done we switch our focus more to left tackle.

Danno · 12-23-2014, 06:53 PM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

I think people misunderstand the whole dead money thing. The actual cap savings is much more important. A lot of dead money is inefficient, but it doesn't impact the overall cap number if you are replacing the dead money player with someone of comparable skill and a cheaper salary.

A simple example: For instance, if we cut Colston, we would take 9.7 million overall off the cap. We still have to pay Colston 5.4 million in dead money. But we have 4.3 million left to sign a wide receiver.

And that's the big question when it comes to these moves. Could we find a $4.3 million dollar player in free agency to replace him? It seems likely we could, considering how badly he has played as of late.

The Colts ate a ton of dead money contracts in 2012 and rebuilt that team from the ground up and have now made the playoffs three straight years. It's do-able.

Exactly.

Consider Curtis Lofton. He's way overpaid at 9 Million, but if we cut him could we find a better ILB for 4 million?

NOLA54 · 12-23-2014, 06:55 PM

I'm sure Loomis will get it right.

Danno · 12-23-2014, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by NOLA54

I'm sure Loomis will get it right.

Yep, its a shell game and he's one of the best at it. Most of these high cap guys will be restructured. We aren't giving them more money, we're just giving it to them as guaranteed money instead of salary.

12-23-2014, 05:58 PM	#2
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,208	Re: Savings if cut or traded Nice work danno In some instances I think we need to take a hit with the dead money to release or trade guys like David Hawthorne or Jahri Evans, however we are already quite far up the creak due to the back loaded contracts I wouldn't be completely shocked if Colston was let go, although 5 Mil in dead money is a lot for someone that SP probably still values quite a bit

12-23-2014, 06:24 PM	#3
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: Savings if cut or traded IMO the big cuts are Hawthorne, Bunkley and Evans. That, combined with a Brees restructure, gets you in the black easily, and let's be honest those players won't be missed that much. I hate to say that about Evans, I really do. But he is about 1/3rd the player he was when he was good. Loomis will manage the cap masterfully as he always does.
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12-23-2014, 06:26 PM	#4
Mr.Riaton 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Broussard,La. Posts: 1,264	Re: Savings if cut or traded A savings of 13mil. between Evans and Jordan.....see ya! I hate to see Jordan go, but its a small price to pay for what we get in return. Combine that with a restructuring of Brees and we can build a hell of an O line...theoretically speaking.

12-23-2014, 06:31 PM	#5
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: Savings if cut or traded Originally Posted by dizzle88 Nice work danno In some instances I think we need to take a hit with the dead money to release or trade guys like David Hawthorne or Jahri Evans, however we are already quite far up the creak due to the back loaded contracts I wouldn't be completely shocked if Colston was let go, although 5 Mil in dead money is a lot for someone that SP probably still values quite a bit I think people misunderstand the whole dead money thing. The actual cap savings is much more important. A lot of dead money is inefficient, but it doesn't impact the overall cap number if you are replacing the dead money player with someone of comparable skill and a cheaper salary. A simple example: For instance, if we cut Colston, we would take 9.7 million overall off the cap. We still have to pay Colston 5.4 million in dead money. But we have 4.3 million left to sign a wide receiver. And that's the big question when it comes to these moves. Could we find a $4.3 million dollar player in free agency to replace him? It seems likely we could, considering how badly he has played as of late. The Colts ate a ton of dead money contracts in 2012 and rebuilt that team from the ground up and have now made the playoffs three straight years. It's do-able. UK_WhoDat, B_Dub_Saint, jeanpierre and 1 others like this.
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12-23-2014, 06:39 PM	#6
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,208	Re: Savings if cut or traded Originally Posted by Jack Vegas I think people misunderstand the whole dead money thing. The actual cap savings is much more important. A lot of dead money is inefficient, but it doesn't impact the overall cap number if you are replacing the dead money player with someone of comparable skill and a cheaper salary. A simple example: For instance, if we cut Colston, we would take 9.7 million overall off the cap. We still have to pay Colston 5.4 million in dead money. But we have 4.3 million left to sign a wide receiver. And that's the big question when it comes to these moves. Could we find a $4.3 million dollar player in free agency to replace him? It seems likely we could, considering how badly he has played as of late. The Colts ate a ton of dead money contracts in 2012 and rebuilt that team from the ground up and have now made the playoffs three straight years. It's do-able. Ahh right thanks JV, that's actually helped a bunch because I think I misunderstood the dead money thing quite a bit So we do have an opportunity to free up quite a bit of money and get rid of any underachievers at the same time.

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12-23-2014, 06:41 PM	#7
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,048	Re: Savings if cut or traded Originally Posted by Jack Vegas IMO the big cuts are Hawthorne, Bunkley and Evans. That, combined with a Brees restructure, gets you in the black easily, and let's be honest those players won't be missed that much. I hate to say that about Evans, I really do. But he is about 1/3rd the player he was when he was good. Loomis will manage the cap masterfully as he always does. Evans had the benefit of another pro bowl guard right next to him. I believe due to the way Brees plays it is more important for us to have strong guards than tackles. If we got a strong guard to play next to Evans I think we can still get enough solid play out of him to protect Brees for the rest of Brees career. When Brees is done we switch our focus more to left tackle.
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12-23-2014, 06:53 PM	#8
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: Savings if cut or traded Originally Posted by Jack Vegas I think people misunderstand the whole dead money thing. The actual cap savings is much more important. A lot of dead money is inefficient, but it doesn't impact the overall cap number if you are replacing the dead money player with someone of comparable skill and a cheaper salary. A simple example: For instance, if we cut Colston, we would take 9.7 million overall off the cap. We still have to pay Colston 5.4 million in dead money. But we have 4.3 million left to sign a wide receiver. And that's the big question when it comes to these moves. Could we find a $4.3 million dollar player in free agency to replace him? It seems likely we could, considering how badly he has played as of late. The Colts ate a ton of dead money contracts in 2012 and rebuilt that team from the ground up and have now made the playoffs three straight years. It's do-able. Exactly. Consider Curtis Lofton. He's way overpaid at 9 Million, but if we cut him could we find a better ILB for 4 million?

12-23-2014, 06:55 PM	#9
NOLA54 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,708 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Savings if cut or traded I'm sure Loomis will get it right.

12-23-2014, 06:58 PM	#10
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: Savings if cut or traded Originally Posted by NOLA54 I'm sure Loomis will get it right. Yep, its a shell game and he's one of the best at it. Most of these high cap guys will be restructured. We aren't giving them more money, we're just giving it to them as guaranteed money instead of salary.

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