Fixing the Saints Part 3: Another Shut-Down Corner

K Major · 01-08-2015, 08:01 AM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

The Jags have 2 CB that are FA that are coming into their own, I wouldn't mind getting them, young and up-coming, good hands with speed.

Exactly. "Shut down" corners are damn near impossible to find. These young guys have good technique, speed and very physical.

hagan714 · 01-08-2015, 09:15 AM

all we need is a solid #2 man cover corner. that is it. shut it down 75% of the works. right now we are at .. what ... 2% ?

opps had to edit 75% is a bit much that would require a pass rush which we did not have last year so lets go 50%

if the safeties can be freed up 50% of the time to support the run and cover the middle of the field this defense would greatly improve to say mid 20s at best. at the least get out of the 30s

Besides there is not a shut down corner on the FA list. Revis is the only one out there if the Pats do not keep him that fits that description.

Mr.Riaton · 01-08-2015, 01:57 PM

In '09, we also had a good secondary coach. The main thing I remember about Porter besides the great SB play was his atrocious tackling.

Jack Vegas · 01-08-2015, 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton

In '09, we also had a good secondary coach. The main thing I remember about Porter besides the great SB play was his atrocious tackling.

You're not giving him enough credit. He was a really good cover corner even as a rookie the year before. He was just too injury prone to keep it up long-term but even now he's still a pretty decent nickel.

dizzle88 · 01-08-2015, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

You're not giving him enough credit. He was a really good cover corner even as a rookie the year before. He was just too injury prone to keep it up long-term but even now he's still a pretty decent nickel.

Agreed.

First game of his rookie season was against the bucs and he ended the game with 3 pass breakups, very nearly turned into interceptions.

I'd swap P-rob for Tracy Porter in a heart beat. Porters play started to tail off a little in 2010-2011 but he's never been as bad as P-rob is consistently every season.

Mr.Riaton · 01-08-2015, 09:46 PM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

You're not giving him enough credit. He was a really good cover corner even as a rookie the year before. He was just too injury prone to keep it up long-term but even now he's still a pretty decent nickel.

Your probably right and I would like to give credit where credit is due,but when I think back on his career here, his piss-pour tackling stands out to me.

DrewDat · 01-09-2015, 10:29 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

20th in points allowed.

25th in yards allowed.

You're right people do remember that team wrongly a lot...

Porter missed 4 games.
Greer missed 8 games.
Gay missed 6 games.

Injuries happen to every team, it's not an excuse.

Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton

Your probably right and I would like to give credit where credit is due,but when I think back on his career here, his piss-pour tackling stands out to me.

I remember him reading plays and studying the quarterback he's facing....getting game saving interceptions at clutch moments in important games

RaginCajun83 · 01-08-2015, 02:17 PM

Good luck finding a shut down corner, just give me someone who does his job and doesn't get burned on a regular basis. A pass rush would help too

Marlboro Man · 01-08-2015, 11:05 PM

While I realize that a top CB is a very big need for us, We just cannot pass on a top OLB talent in the first round. Our LB's have been garbage for years and we MUST fix that to have any hope of going deep into the playoffs. If it were me, I'd go OLB, ILB, CB, OL, OL, DE, TE, but hey, that's just me, but if you look at it, our tackling is pathetic and that's on the LB's and if we can't stop the run our D is gonna be on the field a long time if we stop the run we force the pass and they we can get after the QB and and get our secondary in gear to work as a unit and not a bunch of individuals.

hagan714 · 01-09-2015, 03:27 AM

rob and his defense will never win a super bowl
SP and the offense will again

offense first defense second

top 25 defense is all we need. no reason this group could not have done it last year. coach and scheme but in no way should defense have priority.

windows closing on Drew so is our chances

01-08-2015, 08:01 AM	#1
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,865 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Fixing the Saints Part 3: Another Shut-Down Corner Originally Posted by halloween 65 The Jags have 2 CB that are FA that are coming into their own, I wouldn't mind getting them, young and up-coming, good hands with speed. Exactly. "Shut down" corners are damn near impossible to find. These young guys have good technique, speed and very physical. halloween 65 likes this.

01-08-2015, 09:15 AM	#2
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Fixing the Saints Part 3: Another Shut-Down Corner all we need is a solid #2 man cover corner. that is it. shut it down 75% of the works. right now we are at .. what ... 2% ? opps had to edit 75% is a bit much that would require a pass rush which we did not have last year so lets go 50% if the safeties can be freed up 50% of the time to support the run and cover the middle of the field this defense would greatly improve to say mid 20s at best. at the least get out of the 30s Besides there is not a shut down corner on the FA list. Revis is the only one out there if the Pats do not keep him that fits that description.
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01-08-2015, 01:57 PM	#3
Mr.Riaton 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Broussard,La. Posts: 1,308	Re: Fixing the Saints Part 3: Another Shut-Down Corner In '09, we also had a good secondary coach. The main thing I remember about Porter besides the great SB play was his atrocious tackling.

01-08-2015, 03:59 PM	#4
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: Fixing the Saints Part 3: Another Shut-Down Corner Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton In '09, we also had a good secondary coach. The main thing I remember about Porter besides the great SB play was his atrocious tackling. You're not giving him enough credit. He was a really good cover corner even as a rookie the year before. He was just too injury prone to keep it up long-term but even now he's still a pretty decent nickel. dizzle88 likes this.
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01-08-2015, 05:42 PM	#5
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,560	Re: Fixing the Saints Part 3: Another Shut-Down Corner Originally Posted by Jack Vegas You're not giving him enough credit. He was a really good cover corner even as a rookie the year before. He was just too injury prone to keep it up long-term but even now he's still a pretty decent nickel. Agreed. First game of his rookie season was against the bucs and he ended the game with 3 pass breakups, very nearly turned into interceptions. I'd swap P-rob for Tracy Porter in a heart beat. Porters play started to tail off a little in 2010-2011 but he's never been as bad as P-rob is consistently every season.

01-08-2015, 09:46 PM	#6
Mr.Riaton 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Broussard,La. Posts: 1,308	Re: Fixing the Saints Part 3: Another Shut-Down Corner Originally Posted by Jack Vegas You're not giving him enough credit. He was a really good cover corner even as a rookie the year before. He was just too injury prone to keep it up long-term but even now he's still a pretty decent nickel. Your probably right and I would like to give credit where credit is due,but when I think back on his career here, his piss-pour tackling stands out to me.

01-09-2015, 10:29 PM	#7
DrewDat DOMEPATROL Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Jacksonville,Florida Due To Military Obligation Posts: 479	Re: Fixing the Saints Part 3: Another Shut-Down Corner Originally Posted by blackangold 20th in points allowed. 25th in yards allowed. You're right people do remember that team wrongly a lot... Porter missed 4 games. Greer missed 8 games. Gay missed 6 games. Injuries happen to every team, it's not an excuse. Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton Your probably right and I would like to give credit where credit is due,but when I think back on his career here, his piss-pour tackling stands out to me. I remember him reading plays and studying the quarterback he's facing....getting game saving interceptions at clutch moments in important games

01-08-2015, 02:17 PM	#8
RaginCajun83 Hou Saints Fan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,050	Re: Fixing the Saints Part 3: Another Shut-Down Corner Good luck finding a shut down corner, just give me someone who does his job and doesn't get burned on a regular basis. A pass rush would help too teddybarexxx likes this.

01-08-2015, 11:05 PM	#9
Marlboro Man 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,469	Re: Fixing the Saints Part 3: Another Shut-Down Corner While I realize that a top CB is a very big need for us, We just cannot pass on a top OLB talent in the first round. Our LB's have been garbage for years and we MUST fix that to have any hope of going deep into the playoffs. If it were me, I'd go OLB, ILB, CB, OL, OL, DE, TE, but hey, that's just me, but if you look at it, our tackling is pathetic and that's on the LB's and if we can't stop the run our D is gonna be on the field a long time if we stop the run we force the pass and they we can get after the QB and and get our secondary in gear to work as a unit and not a bunch of individuals.

01-09-2015, 03:27 AM	#10
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Fixing the Saints Part 3: Another Shut-Down Corner rob and his defense will never win a super bowl SP and the offense will again offense first defense second top 25 defense is all we need. no reason this group could not have done it last year. coach and scheme but in no way should defense have priority. windows closing on Drew so is our chances saintsfan1976 likes this.

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