Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks

03-11-2015, 03:55 AM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

I look at it as we gave a 4th rd pick for him when the priority should've been guard

We know Evans was playing with a bum wrists,im no big fan of Grubbs but both of them trying to do there job while covering for Goodwin cant have helped them. If they team thought Lelito was the man he would have had the job. Maybe they just see him as a backup for all the interior spots.
I really think that coach wanted a top center otherwise he would have kept DLP last year. He let him walk for peanuts to Chicago and then didnt get the player in the draft he was interested in.

Wait and see what the rest of FA ad the draft brings.
Maybe we ship a guard to the Bills as has been rumoured then take Scherf or Collins in the first or laken tomlinson,Jackson.Marpet in the draft and beef up the line. Who knows

burningmetal · 03-11-2015, 03:55 AM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

When you franchise a player you can use it as leverage in negotiating a trade. You don't necessarily need him to sign anything

Correct. And they got nothing for him then. Now that he's under contract, it made more sense for a team to trade for him and give up something for a guy they had some control over. If you trade for a guy with a franchise tag, you give up two 1st rounders and there is no guarantee he re-signs with you.

nola_swammi · 03-11-2015, 03:57 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

We HAVE guards. And now we have a center as well. A 4th round pick is a 4th round pick. We have two first rounders. I can't imagine what else you need here to be satisfied. I get it, Jimmy was popular here. I wish he could have stayed in a way as well. But let's take our fan glasses off and try to think about what's smart.

These are the times I think saints PR are in here to make things look like these were smart moves just like the draft of last year. How is that panning out by the way? 3 on the roster but 2 actually played

burningmetal · 03-11-2015, 04:00 AM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

These are the times I think saints PR are in here to make things look like these were smart moves just like the draft of last year. How is that panning out by the way? 3 on the roster but 2 actually played

I said earlier that I've been critical of the front office the past couple years, so don't start with me about anything other than this move. This a good move, and it has been stated why. If you don't want to believe, you obviously don't have to. But if you want to really make your point, this PR BS you like to bring up isn't helping you.

|Mitch| · 03-11-2015, 04:01 AM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

These are the times I think saints PR are in here to make things look like these were smart moves just like the draft of last year. How is that panning out by the way? 3 on the roster but 2 actually played

I don't see how this can be classified as a dumb move... We have had a top 5 offense ever since '06 with or without Graham; and now we have a very good center to help make the offense less unpredictable; plus stealing another first round pick from the 'Hawks. How can you not be satisfied with the trade?

lee909 · 03-11-2015, 04:03 AM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

When you franchise a player you can use it as leverage in negotiating a trade. You don't necessarily need him to sign anything

You franchise him and then he can only be traded once he signs the tender.
Who would give up good picks for a player that unless its a place he wants to go can be leave as a free agent the following year. Also as soon as he signs the tag that money becomes fully guaranteed.

burningmetal · 03-11-2015, 04:03 AM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

I don't see how this can be classified as a dumb move... We have had a top 5 offense ever since '06 with or without Graham; and now we have a very good center to help make the offense less unpredictable; plus stealing another first round pick from the 'Hawks. How can you not be satisfied with the trade?

Exactly. If your pissed because jimmy is your favorite player, then just say it. But don't call the move dumb when it clearly has a chance to make us better. That's what it's about after all.

nola_swammi · 03-11-2015, 04:04 AM

I'll point how this was a bad move or bad trade when the data reveal itself but for now I wish you all the best it was nice having a ear to vent to and hopefully I am wrong but I doubt it. I just hate to see the best coach the saints ever had be fired cause of idiotic trades and drafts

burningmetal · 03-11-2015, 04:06 AM

It'll be alright man. And if not, that's just the way it is. We aren't a championship team if we stand pat.

lee909 · 03-11-2015, 04:06 AM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

These are the times I think saints PR are in here to make things look like these were smart moves just like the draft of last year. How is that panning out by the way? 3 on the roster but 2 actually played

THis PR stuff is rubbish
You only had to be on the board during lst years draftto see some of us were flipping out at what was going on. The same people shouting at the front office now are quiet happy with this move

03-11-2015, 03:55 AM	#271
Threaded by lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,875 Blog Entries: 1 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by nola_swammi I look at it as we gave a 4th rd pick for him when the priority should've been guard We know Evans was playing with a bum wrists,im no big fan of Grubbs but both of them trying to do there job while covering for Goodwin cant have helped them. If they team thought Lelito was the man he would have had the job. Maybe they just see him as a backup for all the interior spots. I really think that coach wanted a top center otherwise he would have kept DLP last year. He let him walk for peanuts to Chicago and then didnt get the player in the draft he was interested in. Wait and see what the rest of FA ad the draft brings. Maybe we ship a guard to the Bills as has been rumoured then take Scherf or Collins in the first or laken tomlinson,Jackson.Marpet in the draft and beef up the line. Who knows spkb25 likes this.
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03-11-2015, 03:55 AM	#272
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks Originally Posted by nola_swammi When you franchise a player you can use it as leverage in negotiating a trade. You don't necessarily need him to sign anything Correct. And they got nothing for him then. Now that he's under contract, it made more sense for a team to trade for him and give up something for a guy they had some control over. If you trade for a guy with a franchise tag, you give up two 1st rounders and there is no guarantee he re-signs with you. spkb25 likes this.

03-11-2015, 03:57 AM	#273
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks Originally Posted by burningmetal We HAVE guards. And now we have a center as well. A 4th round pick is a 4th round pick. We have two first rounders. I can't imagine what else you need here to be satisfied. I get it, Jimmy was popular here. I wish he could have stayed in a way as well. But let's take our fan glasses off and try to think about what's smart. These are the times I think saints PR are in here to make things look like these were smart moves just like the draft of last year. How is that panning out by the way? 3 on the roster but 2 actually played

03-11-2015, 04:00 AM	#274
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks Originally Posted by nola_swammi These are the times I think saints PR are in here to make things look like these were smart moves just like the draft of last year. How is that panning out by the way? 3 on the roster but 2 actually played I said earlier that I've been critical of the front office the past couple years, so don't start with me about anything other than this move. This a good move, and it has been stated why. If you don't want to believe, you obviously don't have to. But if you want to really make your point, this PR BS you like to bring up isn't helping you.

03-11-2015, 04:01 AM	#275
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks Originally Posted by nola_swammi These are the times I think saints PR are in here to make things look like these were smart moves just like the draft of last year. How is that panning out by the way? 3 on the roster but 2 actually played I don't see how this can be classified as a dumb move... We have had a top 5 offense ever since '06 with or without Graham; and now we have a very good center to help make the offense less unpredictable; plus stealing another first round pick from the 'Hawks. How can you not be satisfied with the trade? SaintFanInATLHELL, spkb25 and AliJee like this.

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03-11-2015, 04:03 AM	#276
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,875 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks Originally Posted by nola_swammi When you franchise a player you can use it as leverage in negotiating a trade. You don't necessarily need him to sign anything You franchise him and then he can only be traded once he signs the tender. Who would give up good picks for a player that unless its a place he wants to go can be leave as a free agent the following year. Also as soon as he signs the tag that money becomes fully guaranteed. spkb25 likes this.

03-11-2015, 04:03 AM	#277
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| I don't see how this can be classified as a dumb move... We have had a top 5 offense ever since '06 with or without Graham; and now we have a very good center to help make the offense less unpredictable; plus stealing another first round pick from the 'Hawks. How can you not be satisfied with the trade? Exactly. If your pissed because jimmy is your favorite player, then just say it. But don't call the move dumb when it clearly has a chance to make us better. That's what it's about after all. CharityMike likes this.

03-11-2015, 04:04 AM	#278
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks I'll point how this was a bad move or bad trade when the data reveal itself but for now I wish you all the best it was nice having a ear to vent to and hopefully I am wrong but I doubt it. I just hate to see the best coach the saints ever had be fired cause of idiotic trades and drafts

03-11-2015, 04:06 AM	#279
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks It'll be alright man. And if not, that's just the way it is. We aren't a championship team if we stand pat.

03-11-2015, 04:06 AM	#280
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,875 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks Originally Posted by nola_swammi These are the times I think saints PR are in here to make things look like these were smart moves just like the draft of last year. How is that panning out by the way? 3 on the roster but 2 actually played THis PR stuff is rubbish You only had to be on the board during lst years draftto see some of us were flipping out at what was going on. The same people shouting at the front office now are quiet happy with this move

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