I thought it was the defense that was the problem that needed fixing

lee909 · 03-15-2015, 08:27 AM

CFL is calling

alleycat_126 · 03-15-2015, 10:26 AM

There have been just as many releases on defense as on the offensive side of the ball... Lofton, White, and Robinson..... all gone...And, here's what I heard about the Jimmy Graham trade... is that Jimmy Grahams name wasn't the first name floated... The first name floated was Cameron Jordan... Seattle said no... So it's not like there not trying to unload some of there defensive players...

The bigger gaping whole to me has been the whole that exist because we don't have a true NT to this 3-4 defense... Teams where able to exploit the fact that we couldn't stop the run all year long after Brodrick Bunkley went down... I think the need for a Nose Tackle even supercedes the need for a speed LB... We can't get to those third and long situations because we have safeties playing LB and no NT to protect them from having to do it....

halloween 65 · 03-15-2015, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by alleycat_126

There have been just as many releases on defense as on the offensive side of the ball... Lofton, White, and Robinson..... all gone...And, here's what I heard about the Jimmy Graham trade... is that Jimmy Grahams name wasn't the first name floated... The first name floated was Cameron Jordan... Seattle said no... So it's not like there not trying to unload some of there defensive players...

The bigger gaping whole to me has been the whole that exist because we don't have a true NT to this 3-4 defense... Teams where able to exploit the fact that we couldn't stop the run all year long after Brodrick Bunkley went down... I think the need for a Nose Tackle even supercedes the need for a speed LB... We can't get to those third and long situations because we have safeties playing LB and no NT to protect them from having to do it....

I agree. If we run a 3-4 Jordan is a little light up front. I can't agree more about a true NT being needed. Jordan Phillips from Oklahoma fits that bill. I also think with the addition of Ellerbe drafting Miami's Perryman would make perfect since at ILB, run problem up the middle fixed along with D-line and lb. rotation.

lee909 · 03-15-2015, 10:56 AM

I heard a fair amount of both Kenny Vacarro and Cam Jordan to the Giants.
Especially Cam rumor

halloween 65 · 03-15-2015, 11:01 AM

Originally Posted by lee909

I heard a fair amount of both Kenny Vacarro and Cam Jordan to the Giants.
Especially Cam rumor

It wouldn't suprize me to see Jordan traded, he has really good value to a 4-3 team.

lee909 · 03-15-2015, 11:05 AM

You would have to wonder what a team would give for a player that will be a FA next summer.

WhoDatFan26 · 03-15-2015, 12:44 PM

Cam Jordan isn't the issue, the NT and RDE are the issues. Akiem Hicks is a perfect 4-3 Under Tackle or 3/4 NT, but he lacks the burst to be a 3/4 End. Therein lies the problem. Cam is the only player on the 3/4 D-Line who can set the edge and rush the passer. If they were looking at trading him it was for multiple picks. If we can get an adequate DE opposite Cam, then the D-Line becomes a strength. This is the reason we ran a 4 man front such a high percentage of the time. We need a true 3/4 DE, then we can rotate Hicks and Jenkins at NT.

spkb25 · 03-15-2015, 12:44 PM

Maybe I am in the minority here, but I wouldn't mind letting Cam go... I just don't see how helpful he was last year, and might as well get for him while the getting can be had. Same with Kenny... I just wouldn't mind it. Hey if they're here I am their biggest cheerleader, but I feel like we can do better for 7 mil a year than Cameron... Now please tell me where I am wrong because I know there is something I am not seeing.

spkb25 · 03-15-2015, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by lee909

You would have to wonder what a team would give for a player that will be a FA next summer.

Cameron Jordan, I think we might get a first, if not a first than a second or third and a player

K Major · 03-15-2015, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by lee909

I heard a fair amount of both Kenny Vacarro and Cam Jordan to the Giants.
Especially Cam rumor

Source?

03-15-2015, 08:27 AM	#31
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03-15-2015, 10:26 AM	#32
alleycat_126 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Katy, Tx a suburb of Houston Posts: 2,089	Re: I thought it was the defense that was the problem that needed fixing There have been just as many releases on defense as on the offensive side of the ball... Lofton, White, and Robinson..... all gone...And, here's what I heard about the Jimmy Graham trade... is that Jimmy Grahams name wasn't the first name floated... The first name floated was Cameron Jordan... Seattle said no... So it's not like there not trying to unload some of there defensive players... The bigger gaping whole to me has been the whole that exist because we don't have a true NT to this 3-4 defense... Teams where able to exploit the fact that we couldn't stop the run all year long after Brodrick Bunkley went down... I think the need for a Nose Tackle even supercedes the need for a speed LB... We can't get to those third and long situations because we have safeties playing LB and no NT to protect them from having to do it.... halloween 65 likes this.
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03-15-2015, 10:55 AM	#33
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: I thought it was the defense that was the problem that needed fixing Originally Posted by alleycat_126 There have been just as many releases on defense as on the offensive side of the ball... Lofton, White, and Robinson..... all gone...And, here's what I heard about the Jimmy Graham trade... is that Jimmy Grahams name wasn't the first name floated... The first name floated was Cameron Jordan... Seattle said no... So it's not like there not trying to unload some of there defensive players... The bigger gaping whole to me has been the whole that exist because we don't have a true NT to this 3-4 defense... Teams where able to exploit the fact that we couldn't stop the run all year long after Brodrick Bunkley went down... I think the need for a Nose Tackle even supercedes the need for a speed LB... We can't get to those third and long situations because we have safeties playing LB and no NT to protect them from having to do it.... I agree. If we run a 3-4 Jordan is a little light up front. I can't agree more about a true NT being needed. Jordan Phillips from Oklahoma fits that bill. I also think with the addition of Ellerbe drafting Miami's Perryman would make perfect since at ILB, run problem up the middle fixed along with D-line and lb. rotation.

03-15-2015, 10:56 AM	#34
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03-15-2015, 11:01 AM	#35
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: I thought it was the defense that was the problem that needed fixing Originally Posted by lee909 I heard a fair amount of both Kenny Vacarro and Cam Jordan to the Giants. Especially Cam rumor It wouldn't suprize me to see Jordan traded, he has really good value to a 4-3 team.

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03-15-2015, 11:05 AM	#36
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WhoDatFan26 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 365	Re: I thought it was the defense that was the problem that needed fixing Cam Jordan isn't the issue, the NT and RDE are the issues. Akiem Hicks is a perfect 4-3 Under Tackle or 3/4 NT, but he lacks the burst to be a 3/4 End. Therein lies the problem. Cam is the only player on the 3/4 D-Line who can set the edge and rush the passer. If they were looking at trading him it was for multiple picks. If we can get an adequate DE opposite Cam, then the D-Line becomes a strength. This is the reason we ran a 4 man front such a high percentage of the time. We need a true 3/4 DE, then we can rotate Hicks and Jenkins at NT.
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spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	Re: I thought it was the defense that was the problem that needed fixing Maybe I am in the minority here, but I wouldn't mind letting Cam go... I just don't see how helpful he was last year, and might as well get for him while the getting can be had. Same with Kenny... I just wouldn't mind it. Hey if they're here I am their biggest cheerleader, but I feel like we can do better for 7 mil a year than Cameron... Now please tell me where I am wrong because I know there is something I am not seeing.

03-15-2015, 12:45 PM	#39
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	Re: I thought it was the defense that was the problem that needed fixing Originally Posted by lee909 You would have to wonder what a team would give for a player that will be a FA next summer. Cameron Jordan, I think we might get a first, if not a first than a second or third and a player

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