I thought it was the defense that was the problem that needed fixing

rezburna · 03-14-2015, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

You're crazy...

Browner is just as good as Lewis, they both could be number 1s on many teams. This was a great move for the locker-room as well.

Dion Sanders said we now have the best CB tandem in the league, when taking about CBs ill take his word over yours.

You realize he had everything thrown at him last year because Revis was on the other side right? Before that he had Sherman on the other side so he was still targeted all day. Two superbowls in two years... and for all this over-the-top BS, I am sure Byrd will love that...

As for your last sentence "could go south real quick", you can say that about anything.

That was an excellent point. Revis one year, Sherman on the other. Constantly attacked.

Rugby Saint II · 03-14-2015, 03:48 PM

Oh boy! We won't get beat deep again! We may get a penalty but that is the risk playing with Browner. I'm curious to see how we handle nickel and dime this year?

We've got a lot of tall corners on the roster so now we need that smooth back pedal and quick hips guy for the middle of the field.

And yes, defense is the PROBlem.

lee909 · 03-14-2015, 03:59 PM

Hopefully Browner can take SJB under his wing and shiw him how to use his size etc

VegasSaint9 · 03-14-2015, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by lee909

Hopefully Browner can take SJB under his wing and shiw him how to use his size etc

I'm surprised most people haven't mentioned this. This could be huge for him to learn from Browner. Who knows maybe SP didn't want to throw him to the wolves just yet. Dixon and Frederick should be okay in the slot. I'd like one or two more CBs via draft and UDFAs just weed out the weakest link.

Edit: I completely forgot about the Breaux signing! I'm interested how he will turn out as well.

hagan714 · 03-14-2015, 06:56 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

You're crazy...

Browner is just as good as Lewis, they both could be number 1s on many teams. This was a great move for the locker-room as well.

Dion Sanders said we now have the best CB tandem in the league, when taking about CBs ill take his word over yours.

You realize he had everything thrown at him last year because Revis was on the other side right? Before that he had Sherman on the other side so he was still targeted all day. Two superbowls in two years... and for all this over-the-top BS, I am sure Byrd will love that...

As for your last sentence "could go south real quick", you can say that about anything.

i am stuck in Boston so crazy might be a bit strong. stupid works

The pats ran packages in coverage as they always do but Kyle Arrington played extremely well and was the one they picked on the most. but teams did not fear Browner. 18 penlites last year was an all time high since his rookie year. he is just a hand check DB to the extreme. you name the foul he committed it.

with that said i like the attitude he brings but in no way can he run with the speed a true #2 in the NFL. now to get past Browner jam at the line is almost impossible to do. he is smart and knows right of the bat when he gets beat and will mug the guy before he lets him run free. that is acceptable in my book.

Like Byrd he is coming from the AFC and that is not saying much. His time in Seattle was against some pretty sub par passing offenses also.

Put him on Mike Evans and Kelvin Benjamin all game long and the odds are very good he will shut them down. put him on Jimmy Graham and get the same results.

speed kills and quickness is his weakness.

Dion Sanders said? i will pass on that one

i will say it again i love the attitude he plays with despite the flags. flags are not always a bad thing and almost all of his are smart ones. but to keep the flags at a min keep him away from speed and keep him on the possession type of WR.

that is how the pats used him by season end

Tobias-Reiper · 03-14-2015, 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by saintshrimp

I see a lot of change on offense this year. I don't so far to this point understand why not much has changed to the other side of the ball You know the Real problem area. Where's the fire sale of defensive players should have been. We have a lot of draft picks now but you know we are gonna move up from 13 (Don't we pretty much always make a trade to move up on draft day) just don't see how while I like browner he's 30 now so he's a band aide short term we need to find a long term solution and Ellerbe has had one good yr. His claim to fame is he took over for Ray lewis and to tell the truth I just don't see how that is much better than what we had.

I don't know call me crazy but I think they blew up the wrong side of the ball

First, there's no "fire sale".
The Saints have traded 3 players, and in 2 of those trades, they got a player back. Of those 2 players, one is a LB, who played really well in Baltimore, but was palying in the wrong scheme in Miami. They have also signed a CB, and are waiting to hear from another. Yes, both are 30, but CBs and LBs are not RBs, and the NFL isn't Logan's Run. They are also bringing something sorely missing in the Saints defense: the nasty.

"... but the future..." The future in today's NFL is 2-3 years.

They have also released/not re-signed some defensive players who where under-performing in White, Walker, Lofton (and no, a bazillion tackles 10-15 yrds from the LoS does not mean you MLB is performing).

FA is not over.

Then there is the draft.

The Saints didn't "blow up" the offense.
* Graham and Stills are replaceable.
* PT (as much as I love him) was replaced by a younger, maybe better version of him (we'll have to wait and see what Spiller can do in Payton's system).
* The Saints sorely needed a center.
* Grubbs was under-performing and getting old, while behind him are what seem to be good, younger OL prospects in Kelemete and Lelito.

SloMotion · 03-15-2015, 05:50 AM

Originally Posted by saintshrimp

I see a lot of change on offense this year. I don't so far to this point understand why not much has changed to the other side of the ball You know the Real problem area. Where's the fire sale of defensive players should have been. We have a lot of draft picks now but you know we are gonna move up from 13 (Don't we pretty much always make a trade to move up on draft day) just don't see how while I like browner he's 30 now so he's a band aide short term we need to find a long term solution and Ellerbe has had one good yr. His claim to fame is he took over for Ray lewis and to tell the truth I just don't see how that is much better than what we had.

I don't know call me crazy but I think they blew up the wrong side of the ball

You couldn't have made the deals you did shopping around/blowing up/fire sale-ing the defensive talent you had, so something has to give ... you're still a top five offense, added some veteran presence to the defense (plus a damn good veteran center, the most important position on the team other than QB, IMO) and now you got all these draft picks to play with, not too mention CJ Spiller, et ... IDK, all's I can say is "look at the bright side" ... Saints are gonna' be a much better team in 2015,

.

rezburna · 03-15-2015, 06:45 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

i am stuck in Boston so crazy might be a bit strong. stupid works

The pats ran packages in coverage as they always do but Kyle Arrington played extremely well and was the one they picked on the most. but teams did not fear Browner. 18 penlites last year was an all time high since his rookie year. he is just a hand check DB to the extreme. you name the foul he committed it.

with that said i like the attitude he brings but in no way can he run with the speed a true #2 in the NFL. now to get past Browner jam at the line is almost impossible to do. he is smart and knows right of the bat when he gets beat and will mug the guy before he lets him run free. that is acceptable in my book.

Like Byrd he is coming from the AFC and that is not saying much. His time in Seattle was against some pretty sub par passing offenses also.

Put him on Mike Evans and Kelvin Benjamin all game long and the odds are very good he will shut them down. put him on Jimmy Graham and get the same results.

speed kills and quickness is his weakness.

Dion Sanders said? i will pass on that one

i will say it again i love the attitude he plays with despite the flags. flags are not always a bad thing and almost all of his are smart ones. but to keep the flags at a min keep him away from speed and keep him on the possession type of WR.

that is how the pats used him by season end

Deion Sanders said Malcolm Jenkins was a safety because he didn't have the hips to play corner. We should listen to Prime when it comes to his position. The corner he raves about in this year's draft? Senquez Gholson.

lee909 · 03-15-2015, 07:15 AM

Wouldnt mind him if he was there in the 5th.
He cant play outside in division games as imo he cant be put up against Jones,Evans etc. But he would be great covering the slot

spkb25 · 03-15-2015, 08:24 AM

Saintshrimp being shopped to other teams.

03-14-2015, 01:45 PM	#21
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,903	Re: I thought it was the defense that was the problem that needed fixing Originally Posted by blackangold You're crazy... Browner is just as good as Lewis, they both could be number 1s on many teams. This was a great move for the locker-room as well. Dion Sanders said we now have the best CB tandem in the league, when taking about CBs ill take his word over yours. You realize he had everything thrown at him last year because Revis was on the other side right? Before that he had Sherman on the other side so he was still targeted all day. Two superbowls in two years... and for all this over-the-top BS, I am sure Byrd will love that... As for your last sentence "could go south real quick", you can say that about anything. That was an excellent point. Revis one year, Sherman on the other. Constantly attacked.

03-14-2015, 03:48 PM	#22
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: I thought it was the defense that was the problem that needed fixing Oh boy! We won't get beat deep again! We may get a penalty but that is the risk playing with Browner. I'm curious to see how we handle nickel and dime this year? We've got a lot of tall corners on the roster so now we need that smooth back pedal and quick hips guy for the middle of the field. And yes, defense is the PROBlem.

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lee909 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,803 Blog Entries: 1	Re: I thought it was the defense that was the problem that needed fixing Hopefully Browner can take SJB under his wing and shiw him how to use his size etc Crusader, ChrisXVI and VegasSaint9 like this.

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VegasSaint9 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 360	Re: I thought it was the defense that was the problem that needed fixing Originally Posted by lee909 Hopefully Browner can take SJB under his wing and shiw him how to use his size etc I'm surprised most people haven't mentioned this. This could be huge for him to learn from Browner. Who knows maybe SP didn't want to throw him to the wolves just yet. Dixon and Frederick should be okay in the slot. I'd like one or two more CBs via draft and UDFAs just weed out the weakest link. Edit: I completely forgot about the Breaux signing! I'm interested how he will turn out as well.

03-14-2015, 06:56 PM	#25
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: I thought it was the defense that was the problem that needed fixing Originally Posted by blackangold You're crazy... Browner is just as good as Lewis, they both could be number 1s on many teams. This was a great move for the locker-room as well. Dion Sanders said we now have the best CB tandem in the league, when taking about CBs ill take his word over yours. You realize he had everything thrown at him last year because Revis was on the other side right? Before that he had Sherman on the other side so he was still targeted all day. Two superbowls in two years... and for all this over-the-top BS, I am sure Byrd will love that... As for your last sentence "could go south real quick", you can say that about anything. i am stuck in Boston so crazy might be a bit strong. stupid works The pats ran packages in coverage as they always do but Kyle Arrington played extremely well and was the one they picked on the most. but teams did not fear Browner. 18 penlites last year was an all time high since his rookie year. he is just a hand check DB to the extreme. you name the foul he committed it. with that said i like the attitude he brings but in no way can he run with the speed a true #2 in the NFL. now to get past Browner jam at the line is almost impossible to do. he is smart and knows right of the bat when he gets beat and will mug the guy before he lets him run free. that is acceptable in my book. Like Byrd he is coming from the AFC and that is not saying much. His time in Seattle was against some pretty sub par passing offenses also. Put him on Mike Evans and Kelvin Benjamin all game long and the odds are very good he will shut them down. put him on Jimmy Graham and get the same results. speed kills and quickness is his weakness. Dion Sanders said? i will pass on that one i will say it again i love the attitude he plays with despite the flags. flags are not always a bad thing and almost all of his are smart ones. but to keep the flags at a min keep him away from speed and keep him on the possession type of WR. that is how the pats used him by season end blackangold, K Major and brees84 like this.
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Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: I thought it was the defense that was the problem that needed fixing Originally Posted by saintshrimp I see a lot of change on offense this year. I don't so far to this point understand why not much has changed to the other side of the ball You know the Real problem area. Where's the fire sale of defensive players should have been. We have a lot of draft picks now but you know we are gonna move up from 13 (Don't we pretty much always make a trade to move up on draft day) just don't see how while I like browner he's 30 now so he's a band aide short term we need to find a long term solution and Ellerbe has had one good yr. His claim to fame is he took over for Ray lewis and to tell the truth I just don't see how that is much better than what we had. I don't know call me crazy but I think they blew up the wrong side of the ball First, there's no "fire sale". The Saints have traded 3 players, and in 2 of those trades, they got a player back. Of those 2 players, one is a LB, who played really well in Baltimore, but was palying in the wrong scheme in Miami. They have also signed a CB, and are waiting to hear from another. Yes, both are 30, but CBs and LBs are not RBs, and the NFL isn't Logan's Run. They are also bringing something sorely missing in the Saints defense: the nasty. "... but the future..." The future in today's NFL is 2-3 years. They have also released/not re-signed some defensive players who where under-performing in White, Walker, Lofton (and no, a bazillion tackles 10-15 yrds from the LoS does not mean you MLB is performing). FA is not over. Then there is the draft. The Saints didn't "blow up" the offense. * Graham and Stills are replaceable. * PT (as much as I love him) was replaced by a younger, maybe better version of him (we'll have to wait and see what Spiller can do in Payton's system). * The Saints sorely needed a center. * Grubbs was under-performing and getting old, while behind him are what seem to be good, younger OL prospects in Kelemete and Lelito. dizzle88 and WhoDatFan26 like this.
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SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Re: I thought it was the defense that was the problem that needed fixing Originally Posted by saintshrimp I see a lot of change on offense this year. I don't so far to this point understand why not much has changed to the other side of the ball You know the Real problem area. Where's the fire sale of defensive players should have been. We have a lot of draft picks now but you know we are gonna move up from 13 (Don't we pretty much always make a trade to move up on draft day) just don't see how while I like browner he's 30 now so he's a band aide short term we need to find a long term solution and Ellerbe has had one good yr. His claim to fame is he took over for Ray lewis and to tell the truth I just don't see how that is much better than what we had. I don't know call me crazy but I think they blew up the wrong side of the ball You couldn't have made the deals you did shopping around/blowing up/fire sale-ing the defensive talent you had, so something has to give ... you're still a top five offense, added some veteran presence to the defense (plus a damn good veteran center, the most important position on the team other than QB, IMO) and now you got all these draft picks to play with, not too mention CJ Spiller, et ... IDK, all's I can say is "look at the bright side" ... Saints are gonna' be a much better team in 2015, .

03-15-2015, 06:45 AM	#28
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,903	Re: I thought it was the defense that was the problem that needed fixing Originally Posted by hagan714 i am stuck in Boston so crazy might be a bit strong. stupid works The pats ran packages in coverage as they always do but Kyle Arrington played extremely well and was the one they picked on the most. but teams did not fear Browner. 18 penlites last year was an all time high since his rookie year. he is just a hand check DB to the extreme. you name the foul he committed it. with that said i like the attitude he brings but in no way can he run with the speed a true #2 in the NFL. now to get past Browner jam at the line is almost impossible to do. he is smart and knows right of the bat when he gets beat and will mug the guy before he lets him run free. that is acceptable in my book. Like Byrd he is coming from the AFC and that is not saying much. His time in Seattle was against some pretty sub par passing offenses also. Put him on Mike Evans and Kelvin Benjamin all game long and the odds are very good he will shut them down. put him on Jimmy Graham and get the same results. speed kills and quickness is his weakness. Dion Sanders said? i will pass on that one i will say it again i love the attitude he plays with despite the flags. flags are not always a bad thing and almost all of his are smart ones. but to keep the flags at a min keep him away from speed and keep him on the possession type of WR. that is how the pats used him by season end Deion Sanders said Malcolm Jenkins was a safety because he didn't have the hips to play corner. We should listen to Prime when it comes to his position. The corner he raves about in this year's draft? Senquez Gholson.

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lee909 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,803 Blog Entries: 1	Re: I thought it was the defense that was the problem that needed fixing Wouldnt mind him if he was there in the 5th. He cant play outside in division games as imo he cant be put up against Jones,Evans etc. But he would be great covering the slot

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